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Rob K
28 December 2025 08:31:37
Pretty good ensembles there. GFS op run is very much on the mild side of the pack so fairly unsupported in sinking the block. 

GEM is very nice although falls for the Dec 2010 problem of going too far west and allowing milder air to sneak into the south. 


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Brian Gaze
28 December 2025 08:34:54
ECM obviously knows about the M4. 😂

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scillydave
28 December 2025 08:43:31
Plenty of eye candy on offer this morning for snow lovers especially those in the snow starved southern half of the UK.

ECM looks tasty but for real phwoar! value then the GEM is pick of the bunch - check out the T+240 chart at the end!

Clearly outside of the reliable but fun to look at nonetheless. FWIW snow in the South starts from roughly 6 or 7 days out and so if it's still showing tomorrow teatime then I may start to pay a little more attention. 


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28 December 2025 08:52:34
https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=132&mode=1&nh=1 

JMA not too good south of the border.  Uncertainty remains.

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28 December 2025 08:57:51
FAX - HP near SE Iceland 1035+mb to Thu 1st with occasional ridge to S Britain, cutting off E-lies in the south but promoting NW-lies for Scotland. Final frame (1st) shows a strong N-ly heading for Britain.

GFS Op - agrees with FAX and brings the N-ly down across Britain by Sat 3rd esp marked on the E coast. It only lasts a couple of days before HP is resurgent form the SW, drifting E-wards across Britain 1035mb Wed 7th, pushing the N-lies off to the Baltic and introducing a W-ly regime. Then on Mon 12th LP breaks away from Greenland and is centred 970mb Rockall with some rather cold polar maritime circulating around it.

ECM - agrees with GFS to Mon 5th but then persists with keeping the cold air and LP over Britain (970mb London Thu 8th) and although the LP moves off to the NE, cold air stays over Britain until Mon 12th. As Ally says above, prospect of a big snow dump on Thu 8th - confirmed by Sod's Law, as I'm supposed to be travelling to Oxford on the Friday!

GEM - different again after Mon 5th as LP, not HP,  moves up from the SW (trough from Azores to Cornwall 995mb Tue 6th) beginning to introduce S-lies and push cold air back to Scotland and beyond.

AIFS - London, maxima about 5c to Sat 3rd with a brief cold plunge at New Year, then prospect of ice days to Thu 8th before back to 5C with frosty nights; very little rain. Edinburgh, temp profile similar, but everything happening a day or so earlier; significant rain Thu 8th. In both cases 'rain' looks more like cold rain/sleet than snow.

GEFS - generally, good agreement on temp mostly down to 5C below norm until Tue 8th (a touch milder in the west at first), when back to just below norm and less agreement. Chances of rain or borderline snow from Fri 2nd onwards (less borderline on the E coast, small falls likely in first week of January). 

A cold spell likely from the New Year, backed up by BBC forecasters who don't normally commit themselves this far in advance. But as to how long it lasts, choose you favourite model!


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doctormog
28 December 2025 08:59:09

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=132&mode=1&nh=1

JMA not too good south of the border.  Uncertainty remains.

Originally Posted by: Man For All Seasons 

Uncertainty does remain indeed, however that is the first time in a very long time I have seen the JMA used to highlight uncertainty when there is broad agreement across much of the rest of the output. What’s next, revival of NOGAPS to point out it looks like a breakdown at day 10?  😀

Seriously though, the consensus on the overall pattern across the models for the start of the new year is almost as high as I have seen it for any scenario in recent months. (The usual caveats apply of course).


28 December 2025 09:10:10
Here is the GFS 0z op precipitation chart for next Saturday afternoon.  A wintry mix on windward coasts and a classic precipitation disposition for an Arctic NNWly. (good as you'd expect for the northern chunck of Scotland). Obviously not going to be exactly like that but explains perhaps the underplayed week ahead by the BBC I saw this morning.  I always take note of the pros and use their take on things to balance my interpretations.

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/precipitations/162h.htm 

Polar Low
28 December 2025 09:37:20
Well interesting output this one ukmo has the low to the sw much further North with a warm front edges up North very tricky forecast as cold air is digging in but not so much so and inhibits cold air to some extent but I guess with high reward if it’s cold enough?

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmoeu.php?&ech=168&mode=0 

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmoeu.php?&ech=168&mode=2 

I much prefer the low much further south as gfs especially control looks bitter with no push from the south with snow showers becoming heavy at times

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=168&mode=0 

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=168&mode=2 

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CField
28 December 2025 09:48:53
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Lengthy cold snap with snow just about anywhere but favoured spots preferred, hard frosts, snow to rain event before rather not think about it ...


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squish
28 December 2025 10:18:33
06z gfs holds the block better around +168

Very wintry medium term outlook ( for the modern era)


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fairweather
28 December 2025 10:27:12
Clearly looking generally cold or very cold up until the 5th Jan then it becomes unpredictable thereafter with a big spread in the ensembles but no more likely to breakdown than to continue although the form horse would be on a slow increase in temperatures because by then the cold snap will have become a cold spell, a fairly rare event.
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Brian Gaze
28 December 2025 10:29:38
ECM ENS suggests a relatively low risk of snow in the London area. It looks like the max for any given time step is ~20% if you include wet snow. The numbers for my patch still aren't great but they are significantly higher.

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Hippydave
28 December 2025 10:33:42

06z gfs holds the block better around +168

Very wintry medium term outlook ( for the modern era)

Originally Posted by: squish 

It'll be interesting to see if GFS sticks with not developing HP over Greenland as much as the Euros (and GEM) are currently doing or if they drop the idea. GFS often seems the most keen to inflate Greenie HPs, so it's slightly perplexing why it's not doing so now.

GFS is still very cold into the mid term, with a cleaner feed (IMBY) for example than the UKMO, but whereas the Euro setup runs the high risk/reward scenario of milder air and LPs trying to encroach from the south west, the GFS solution risks the core of the HP slowly sinking too far and milder air rolling in over the high.

At T180 regardless of the differences it's a lovely run, with the usual shower distribution you'd expect from the setup and appreciating it's 'JFF' but significant snow building up over some parts:-

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doctormog
28 December 2025 11:00:35
The linger term is very much to be decided but for reference this is the day 6 mean GEFS 06z picture:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSAVGEU06_144_1.png 

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squish
28 December 2025 11:08:32
06z JMA better as far as it goes . Finely balanced around +168/180 across the models as to whether Atlantic lobe of block will become dominant, with jet rolling over the top…or the northern part holds…with the jet undercutting 
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
idj20
28 December 2025 11:09:33
Gonna end up being a blink-and-you'd-miss-it 6 hours-long cold shot the way things are going. It'd only end up being the usual hill based marginal slop here at my end come the moment anyway.
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Rob K
28 December 2025 11:09:43
GEFS mean looking very solid at 174 hours and considerably colder than the 00Z mean at the same time step. (-8C isotherm through the Midlands vs the Cairngorms on the 0Z)
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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doctormog
28 December 2025 11:14:37

06z JMA better as far as it goes . Finely balanced around +168/180 across the models as to whether Atlantic lobe of block will become dominant, with jet rolling over the top…or the northern part holds…with the jet undercutting 

Originally Posted by: squish 

To be pedantic I think it’s a day of two maybe beyond that point. The colder synoptics look favoured before then.

This is the 180 hr 06z GEFS mean

 And the 00z ECM 192 hr  mean 


The Beast from the East
28 December 2025 11:14:45
GFS control is a bit better than the op in holding the block up, but very different output to the euros who seem to be heading towards the dreaded west based -NAO,  we may end up with mild south westerlies if that trend continues. 


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Saint Snow
28 December 2025 11:17:45
Last night my phone's weather app was showing, for 5th Jan in mby, over 24 hours of snow with 'Total snow for the day' at 27.36cm

This morning... it's showing that day as totally dry 

I did take a screenshot for posterity but can't login to the other part of TWO to upload it

Shows the knife edge that our chances sit on, and the impacts of even moderate changes in the output.


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moomin75
28 December 2025 11:18:17
Tiz my 50th birthday today and looks like the models have decided to give me a birthday gift of super charts.

If these verify, we could be on the cusp of something special, but still early days and I won't be making the mistake of telling friends and family and hope that Brian doesn’t dig out the images of polar bears (those who are veterans of TWO knows what that means 😅😅).


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100m ASL

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Ally Pally Snowman
28 December 2025 11:34:22

Tiz my 50th birthday today and looks like the models have decided to give me a birthday gift of super charts.

If these verify, we could be on the cusp of something special, but still early days and I won't be making the mistake of telling friends and family and hope that Brian doesn’t dig out the images of polar bears (those who are veterans of TWO knows what that means 😅😅).

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Happy Big 5 zero Mooms,  may it be a snowy year for you


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Rob K
28 December 2025 11:51:05

GFS control is a bit better than the op in holding the block up, but very different output to the euros who seem to be heading towards the dreaded west based -NAO,  we may end up with mild south westerlies if that trend continues. 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Yes I think the south is likely see a similar picture as 2010 (but watered down), with mild air encroaching from the southwest and keeping us out of the freezer. Before that it looks good for a day or two of cold. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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moomin75
28 December 2025 12:04:03

Happy Big 5 zero Mooms,  may it be a snowy year for you

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Thank you. Fingers crossed 🤞 


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

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