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Bertwhistle
14 August 2024 17:42:32
The sodium cyanide pollution of a Midlands canal has reached the news recently.
The Beeb now reports the source is Anachrome Ltd, a company that deals with surface coat ings and sealing.
Their website opens with qu: 'is recognised as a ...  quality-conscious and environmentally aware organisation'. Aware? does that mean anything- did they know what they were doing releasing this harmful substance into a Walsall canal? Originally the EA talked of it being a local stretch of water affected, but even in naivety surely realises that in a moving water body interconnected with many others, by the time they got wind of it, it would have breached their imagined limits.
Pictures of dead fish of course but countless other organisms 'thrive' on the canal.
Bertie, Itchen Valley.
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14 August 2024 19:25:14
From my phone website down it seems.What a shambolic company. I assume the directors will go to prison if found guilty of this environmental disaster.
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14 August 2024 20:03:19
Perhaps (so far as I can make sense of this article, which seems very reluctant to get to the point) this spill represents an acute problem which will disperse quickly rather than something chronic and long-lasting. It follows a much larger cyanide spill into a tributary of the Danube in Romania in 2000.

"The major loss of cyanide from a neutral solution seems to be from volatilization
with a loss in an hour of between 60 to 70 percent under variable neutral conditions.
Baskin, et. al. had similar results with cyanide degradation and a loss of 60 percent of
cyanide from a neutral solution."

https://rucore.libraries.rutgers.edu/rutgers-lib/24356/PDF/1/play/ 
Page 63 (as indexed, shows as page 75 on the pdf)
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15 August 2024 05:28:54
I first came across the use of sodium cyanide in my VSO days. I heard about the widespread use of the chemical in the live fish trade.
So it breaks down to harmless compounds quite fast which isn't to condone the current latest event.

Chronic pollution which might include the degradation of the Wye caused by 'organic' chicken farming is perhaps more of an issue.
As you say David it's not clear if it's 12 miles of canal or a shorter stretch and it's vague as to how it reacts or breaks down in the canal environment. 
Heads will roll of course but not those of directors or staff of water companies (or chicken farmers).

From the voice of the PRC and another angle on the use of sodium cyanide.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202402/1307652.shtml 



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15 August 2024 06:31:29

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As you say David it's not clear if it's 12 miles of canal or a shorter stretch and it's vague as to how it reacts or breaks down in the canal environment. 


Originally Posted by: NMA 


The article I quoted which seemed to be rather obscurely written was investigating whether the cyanide was broken by hydrolysis into ammonia etc, and came to the conclusion that this was too slow a process to account for the observed removal of cyanide. Anyway, i see that a metal finishing company, Anochrome, has now held its hand up and accepted responsibility.


Rather that there was an equilibrium
NaCN + H2O = NaOH +HCN
and that both compounds on the RHS were removed, driving the reaction forward, the NaOH by reaction with CO2 to form carbonate and the HCN by evaporation, the latter dispersing at low concentrations in the air. 


Many years ago, in the 1970s, I wrote a couple of ICI-sponsored booklets for sixth form studies, one of which on antibacterials included an account of a timber processing firm using a large chlorophenol bath for preventing timber rotting. When the bath seemed to be losing its effectiveness they just tipped the contents down the drain. Result; a sewage farm in the Lea Valley which processed much of NE London's sewage just stopped working! There was a mad panic with fleets of tankers taking away the sewage until the treatment plant could be 'seeded' with new bacterial cultures.

The same booklet had a discussion of antibacterial resistance, too often now presented as a recent problem
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15 August 2024 07:07:42

The article I quoted which seemed to be rather obscurely written was investigating whether the cyanide was broken by hydrolysis into ammonia etc, and came to the conclusion that this was too slow a process to account for the observed removal of cyanide. Anyway, i see that a metal finishing company, Anochrome, has now held its hand up and accepted responsibility.


Rather that there was an equilibrium
NaCN + H2O = NaOH +HCN
and that both compounds on the RHS were removed, driving the reaction forward, the NaOH by reaction with CO2 to form carbonate and the HCN by evaporation, the latter dispersing at low concentrations in the air. 


Many years ago, in the 1970s, I wrote a couple of ICI-sponsored booklets for sixth form studies, one of which on antibacterials included an account of a timber processing firm using a large chlorophenol bath for preventing timber rotting. When the bath seemed to be losing its effectiveness they just tipped the contents down the drain. Result; a sewage farm in the Lea Valley which processed much of NE London's sewage just stopped working! There was a mad panic with fleets of tankers taking away the sewage until the treatment plant could be 'seeded' with new bacterial cultures.

The same booklet had a discussion of antibacterial resistance, too often now presented as a recent problem

Originally Posted by: DEW 


Fairweathers nightmare perhaps?

There is someone at Kimmeridge who used to be a teacher too in Chemistry and Physics. I'll tell him this story when I next see him.
He's currently working on some geology leaflets for the Trust.
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Roger Parsons
15 August 2024 07:12:05

Fairweathers nightmare perhaps?

There is someone at Kimmeridge who used to be a teacher too in Chemistry and Physics. I'll tell him this story when I next see him.
He's currently working on some geology leaflets for the Trust.

Originally Posted by: NMA 


A colleague remarked we should all have stickers on our toilets etc. reading "TO THE SEA⬇"
RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
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Saint Snow
15 August 2024 09:10:44

I assume the directors will go to prison if found guilty of this environmental disaster.



Ha! Fat chance. Directors rarely go to prison when their actions and instructions and cost-cutting kills someone.

The company has described the environmental disaster as "regrettable". 

"Regrettable".... FFS!!! 🤬 

Regrettable is forgetting to take your bag-for-life into the supermarket and having to double your shopping bill to buy another. Regrettable is drinking too much and making an arse of yourself at a works do.



Edit: After a quick check, the parent company is based in 'secrecy jurisdiction' Guernsey. F***ing typical.

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15 August 2024 09:39:41
Two Classics on the trot so to speak.
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Roger Parsons
15 August 2024 13:07:26
Octopus Energy had one of their "free hour" promotions today. You opt in to get given one charge-free hour of electrical power. I used it to mow the aftermath of my "No Mow May" with the electric mower. Seemed appropriate! 😁 [I'd rather have had free beer.]
https://octopus.energy/free-electricity/ 
RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Retron
15 August 2024 14:26:11

Octopus Energy had one of their "free hour" promotions today. You opt in to get given one charge-free hour of electrical power. I used it to mow the aftermath of my "No Mow May" with the electric mower. Seemed appropriate! 😁 [I'd rather have had free beer.]
https://octopus.energy/free-electricity/ 

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


It just happened to be the hour in which I was looking after my neighbour's dog - but it wasn't a completely free hour, FWIW, it was only free to use power in excess of what you'd normally use.

Hopefully next time one comes around I'll be able to take better advantage of it... I couldn't even put my (hybrid) car on charge, as the battery is full!
Leysdown, north Kent
Roger Parsons
10 November 2024 08:05:05
Report out: worth a look.
"This is a joint Environment Agency and ONR publication that summarises our work relating to the geological disposal of radioactive waste during 2023 to 2024. As regulators for this waste, we are working together to make sure that any future geological disposal facility (GDF) will meet the high standards for environmental protection, safety, safeguards and security that the law requires, and the public expects.
Regulatory scrutiny and engagement for geological disposal: annual report 2023 to 2024 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/geological-disposal-scrutiny-of-rwms-work-annual-reports/regulatory-scrutiny-and-engagement-for-geological-disposal-annual-report-2023-to-2024 

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Roger Parsons
29 December 2024 09:18:47
Following on....
"From pylons to solar farms, huge infrastructure projects are planned across East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, despite strong local opposition. Environment correspondent Paul Murphy looks at what 2025 could bring. It is set to be the year of the "big stuff".
Civil servants call them "nationally significant infrastructure projects". But like a bellyful of Christmas turkey, it's a phrase that weighs heavily on the eyelids. So let's stick with "big stuff". And… you're back in the room."

Why 2025 is all about the big stuff
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyxjne97rwo 
RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
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29 December 2024 14:23:44
Very much a case of destroying the aesthetics of, for example, a landscape in order to save it?
I've grown to hate SANG's and all they mean. A recipe designed by developers for developers and accepted by planners. But do they do what they are supposed to do? Not always IMO. A new housing development near here was supposed to have what the developer call a 'village pond'. How picturesque. That's gone out with the bathwater as too expensive.
Critical infrastructure... That's another subject which I'm not sure the Government has really got its head around. Along with strategic planning.
Rant over.
Vale of the Great Dairies
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lanky
29 December 2024 14:34:26
The problem is that the Gov is trying to restore the 2030 date for the end of new Petrol/Diesel sales and penalising the car manufacturers for not selling a high enough % of EV's but as far as I can tell nothing much has happened on the infrastructure (interconnectors and the National Grid) to actually implement a 100% renewables power supply by this date along with the extra loads needed as people increasingly use EV's, Heat Pumps etc.
I realise no-one want this infrastructure in their back yard (and burying it a sounds prohibitively expensive) so it does look like everyone wanting to have their cake and eat it
Martin
Richmond, Surrey
Devonian
29 December 2024 16:34:56

Very much a case of destroying the aesthetics of, for example, a landscape in order to save it?
I've grown to hate SANG's and all they mean. A recipe designed by developers for developers and accepted by planners. But do they do what they are supposed to do? Not always IMO. A new housing development near here was supposed to have what the developer call a 'village pond'. How picturesque. That's gone out with the bathwater as too expensive.
Critical infrastructure... That's another subject which I'm not sure the Government has really got its head around. Along with strategic planning.
Rant over.

Originally Posted by: NMA 


The landscape will be destroyed if AGW isn't brought under control.

As to landscapes being destroyed I always remember the couple on a local TV report standing proudly in 'the countryside' which was about to be 'destroyed' by a solar farm. But the 'countryside' they stood in front of was a field of monoculture wheat (sprayed with chemical several times per crop, the soil bashed, chopped, turned every year) perhaps 50 acres in size with just wheat in it a very little else.  It is countryside already destroyed! A solar farm, by contrast, would, for certain, have vastly more wildlife, be buzzing with insects and invertebrates, birds, butterflies the list goes on.

I simply can't get my head around thinking that says the former is better than the latter - because, for either wildlife or humans at least, the latter is massively better.

I'll just add there was a lot of uproar about main line pylons crossing a valley fairly near to us in the 70s (the Teign Valley). Does anyone even see they pylons now? Few will even know where they are though they are huge.
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30 December 2024 07:53:14
Tougher rules to restrict new waste incinerators
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgrl72e975o 

So the Government has bowed to pressure and wants to restrict the building of incinerators. But to what effect? From the link...

 incinerating bin bags, which can release large amounts of carbon dioxide, was as bad for the climate as burning coal. 
No surprise there -you get much the same CO2 emissions per kwh whatever carbon-based fuel you burn, pure methane excepted.

ensuring they reduce the amount of rubbish going to landfill
Well, anything incinerated doesn't end up in landfill. Again no surprise.

Since the new policy doesn't ban new incinerators, I predict business as usual. The only way to solve the waste problem, avoiding landfill or incineration, is to reduce the amount of waste - but that will anger the great god GDP.






War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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Roger Parsons
20 January 2025 07:36:46
Whale kipper whelk-om in the eel-side...

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
  But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
  You never get rid of the Dane.

"The humble sandeel is set to take centre stage in the first courtroom trade battle between the UK and EU since Brexit.
The UK has banned European vessels from catching the silvery fish species in its North Sea waters to protect marine wildlife that depend on it for food.
But the EU is challenging the move, arguing it discriminates against Danish vessels that fish sandeel commercially, breaching the post-Brexit trade deal."

Brexit fishing row heads for trade court showdown
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce323q4kej1o 
RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
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23 January 2025 10:40:41
I saw that the other day. You sacrifice the puffins and seabirds etc who feed on the sand eels to supply fish meal and salmon/trout feed for the farms. 
A bit like the story of the Delta smelt in some ways, which used to be a huge food source of numerous forms of wildlife in California. The fish are no more to all intents and purposes and in any case a useless fish in Trumps eyes because it's so small.A 'loser' perhaps?
Oh and the fish is also responsible for the lack of water which would have been able to extinguish the fires over there. Or something like that Trump said. The fact that the near extinction of the smelt is through our actions doesn't come into his narrative.
Thank you Roger. I've got that off my chest.
Vale of the Great Dairies
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Roger Parsons
23 January 2025 11:00:51
I've always been a Steinbeck fan.... This looks interesting....
Where Have All the Sardines Gone: A Pictorial History of Steinbeck's Cannery Row and Old Monterey's Fisherman's Wharf and Sardine Industry
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/445663.Where_Have_All_the_Sardines_Gone 

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
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25 January 2025 08:34:06

I've always been a Steinbeck fan.... This looks interesting....
Where Have All the Sardines Gone: A Pictorial History of Steinbeck's Cannery Row and Old Monterey's Fisherman's Wharf and Sardine Industry
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/445663.Where_Have_All_the_Sardines_Gone 

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Got it Roger. That's where this came from.  
https://cloudywithachanceofmeatballs.fandom.com/wiki/Sardines 

And being a Saturday, a little read if you have the time.
https://www.arts.gov/stories/blog/2020/ten-things-you-might-not-know-about-grapes-wrath 


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Roger Parsons
25 January 2025 09:37:54

Got it Roger. That's where this came from.  
https://cloudywithachanceofmeatballs.fandom.com/wiki/Sardines 

And being a Saturday, a little read if you have the time.
https://www.arts.gov/stories/blog/2020/ten-things-you-might-not-know-about-grapes-wrath 

Originally Posted by: NMA 


👍👍
I must re-read "The Log from the Sea of Cortez", which I have enjoyed reading many times, including the tribute to Ed Ricketts.

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Windy Willow
25 January 2025 09:52:53

I've always been a Steinbeck fan.... This looks interesting....
Where Have All the Sardines Gone: A Pictorial History of Steinbeck's Cannery Row and Old Monterey's Fisherman's Wharf and Sardine Industry
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/445663.Where_Have_All_the_Sardines_Gone 

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


I've only read Of Mice and Men, when at school and recall enjoying it. Maybe I'll stick another of his in my to read list.
I've recently been on a Margaret Attwood binge and I'm in the midst of rereading her MaddAddam trilogy, but  I'm a slow reader so it's taking time, it's also why I reread favoured books, in case I missed something the first time.
South Holland, Lincs 5m/16ft ASL

When I saw corruption, I was forced to find truth on my own. I couldn't swallow the hypocrisy.

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Roger Parsons
08 February 2025 15:45:38
Here's a news item on AI and water shortages! One more ingredient for the Water/Energy crisis mix.
"Sir Keir Starmer's plan to make the UK a "world leader" in Artificial Intelligence (AI) could put already stretched supplies of drinking water under strain, industry sources have told the BBC.
The giant data centres needed to power AI can require large quantities of water to prevent them from overheating."

Concern UK's AI ambitions could lead to water shortages
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce85wx9jjndo 
RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
DEW
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08 February 2025 16:07:57
See also UIA #1890 yesterday
War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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