The Weather Outlook

Remove ads from site

Chunky Pea
10 December 2016 17:07:04

Make sure you do your research (I'm sure you will!) before moving. I spent my first 18 years in York and would rate it no better than the Chilterns for snow, possibly worse. I also lived in Sunderland for 6 years and that was utterly dire for snow, although it is on the coast. 

TBH I'm surprised people keep talking about December 2010. The period from mid December 2009 to mid January 2010 was far better here with three heavy falls of snow.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

In my experience of living in northern England, the Sheffield/Doncaster region seems to do OK for snow but Manchester, forget it. Living there was like home from home weather wise with a climate similar to here in the west of Ireland, if on a more modified scale.


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Col
  • Col
  • Advanced Member
10 December 2016 18:17:20

 

 

I'd normally agree with you, but on a couple of occasions in 2013 (most notably 22/23 March), we had an easterly that delivered around 10cm of level snow plus deeper drifts. Ok, not the sort of ScH-derived easterly that I think Darren is talking about - but his favoured easterlies tend to deliver nothing to most of the country away from the SE/E/S England anyway.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Yes indeed. Easterlies usually disappoint here as the snow breaks up over the Pennines. However not always, see my snow videos regarding the 22.3.13 event, 14 cm snow in my back garden the next morning. A remarkable event, but then March 2013 was a truely exceptional month.

 


Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

Snow videos:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Joe Bloggs
10 December 2016 18:45:28

 

In my experience of living in northern England, the Sheffield/Doncaster region seems to do OK for snow but Manchester, forget it. Living there was like home from home weather wise with a climate similar to here in the west of Ireland, if on a more modified scale.

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

People say that about Manchester and I don't agree. 

It's rare to see a winter completely snowless here and if you get a cold WNW'ly a streamer sets up and we usually get some fairly heavy snow. Don't get me wrong, it's not a snowy city, but I'd argue marginally more so than Liverpool, probably similar to Leeds, maybe slightly less. 

Sheffield is well known for being a snowy city.

johncs2016
10 December 2016 18:54:54
Here in Edinburgh, there are the easterlies which can bring a lot of snow in winter, but which are all too rare these days. During the spring and summer months when we tend to get a lot of easterlies, it is a different story because those are the same easterlies which then drag in all of that east coast haar from in off the North Sea at that time of year whilst the rest of the country basks in warm sunshine and high temperatures.

For me, that is all the more reason to be even more frustrated by the lack of easterly winds at this time of year in more recent times because it seems to be that it is on those occasions where I would rather not see them, that we tend to end up getting them these days.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

Chunky Pea
10 December 2016 19:08:02

People say that about Manchester and I don't agree. 

It's rare to see a winter completely snowless here and if you get a cold WNW'ly a streamer sets up and we usually get some fairly heavy snow. Don't get me wrong, it's not a snowy city, but I'd argue marginally more so than Liverpool, probably similar to Leeds, maybe slightly less. 

Sheffield is well known for being a snowy city.

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

Manchester has very similar winters to here I think. I have yet to experience a winter where there hasn't been some heavy snow showers from time to time here too from the W or NW, but usually does not stick around for long. I suppose one advantage Sheffield has over Manchester is that is it far hillier.


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

DEW
  • DEW
  • Advanced Member
10 December 2016 19:16:57

 

People say that about Manchester and I don't agree. 

It's rare to see a winter completely snowless here and if you get a cold WNW'ly a streamer sets up and we usually get some fairly heavy snow. Don't get me wrong, it's not a snowy city, but I'd argue marginally more so than Liverpool, probably similar to Leeds, maybe slightly less. 

Sheffield is well known for being a snowy city.

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

I used to know somebody who played at the Werneth Low Golf Club, just on the eastern outskirts of Manchester, max alt 243m. He said he could only afford the sub which was less than other local clubs, because the course was under snow for 3 months of the year.


War is God's way of teaching Americans geography - Ambrose Bierce

Chichester 12m asl

Tim A
10 December 2016 19:25:54
With the high level of variability in our weather, if one lives in any given city for a period of a few years, it is probably mostly luck that will shape perceptions as to whether the city is snowy.

I lived in York for as few years in the early 00's and there was quite a bit of snow from northerlies and then an easterly in 2005, probably on par with what we had here giving me the impression it was snowy given its low altitude. However recent years there has been a lack of deep cold northerly's and as a result 12/13 14/15 and 15/16 have seen many magnitudes more snow here than York.

Get a few winter's with a cold NW outbreaks and Manchester will do very well with many other areas missing out but even those have been lacking recently. We have had some WNW and W outbreaks in the last three winters inc this November which are better for here but more marginal.


Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

 My PWS 

Saint Snow
10 December 2016 19:41:03

 

People say that about Manchester and I don't agree. 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

 

Depends where abouts in Manchester. The Medlock chap seems to do well (east of the city centre), but other areas struggle a bit - my boss lives in Urmston and he's always moaning about missing out on snowfall.

The City Centre itself is poor for lying snow, but I suspect this is more to do with the UHI than geography.

Think the adage of the higher the better rings very true in most set-ups - but not always.

 

 


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Andy Woodcock
10 December 2016 21:26:16

 

Manchester has very similar winters to here I think. I have yet to experience a winter where there hasn't been some heavy snow showers from time to time here too from the W or NW, but usually does not stick around for long. I suppose one advantage Sheffield has over Manchester is that is it far hillier.

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

In his excellent book 'Climate and the British Scene' Gordon Manley states "the hillier parts of Sheffield to the east of the City are perhaps the snowiest urban areas of Britain".

Having been stuck in a blizzard on Ranmoor in February 1979 I tend to agree.

Andy


Andy Woodcock

Penrith

Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001

Andy Woodcock
10 December 2016 21:30:28

 

 

Depends where abouts in Manchester. The Medlock chap seems to do well (east of the city centre), but other areas struggle a bit - my boss lives in Urmston and he's always moaning about missing out on snowfall.

The City Centre itself is poor for lying snow, but I suspect this is more to do with the UHI than geography.

Think the adage of the higher the better rings very true in most set-ups - but not always.

 

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

The amount of snow in the Manchester area increases rapidly from the City Centre east to Glossop even though the increase in altitude is modest.

The close proximity to the Pennines seems to be the defining factor although the effect of going west from the City towards Bolton seems to have a similar if not as marked effect.

Andy


Andy Woodcock

Penrith

Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
10 December 2016 21:44:59

 

In his excellent book 'Climate and the British Scene' Gordon Manley states "the hillier parts of Sheffield to the east of the City are perhaps the snowiest urban areas of Britain".

Having been stuck in a blizzard on Ranmoor in February 1979 I tend to agree.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

Strange. I read this book years ago, and I have a clear memory that the accolade of "snowiest urban community in Britain" went to Consett in County Durham.


Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

Andy Woodcock
11 December 2016 09:43:59

 

Strange. I read this book years ago, and I have a clear memory that the accolade of "snowiest urban community in Britain" went to Consett in County Durham.

Originally Posted by: RobN 

a

Apologies, you are correct Rob although Gordon does refer to the Hillier parts of Sheffield as being snowy in the same section of the book.

Andy


Andy Woodcock

Penrith

Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001

bradders
11 December 2016 15:03:18

I remember 1962/3 for all the wrong reasons. Living in Macclesfield and working on a partially completed block of flats with no windows or doors fitted was no fun.

The saving grace was that we had very little snow, but the wind and the icy temperatures were something to be reckoned with.

I wouldn`t like to experience another winter like that.


Eric. Cheadle Hulme, Stockport.

marco 79
11 December 2016 17:58:47
Maybe one of the best charts to be seen from the "Old Era"...-15c uppers..Blizzard conditions for 12hrs on this day...I can remember making Snow dens in drifts deep....Max temp of -5c 30/40mph ENE.....The pinnacle of what a British winter can deliver

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1979/Rrea00119790215.gif 


Home : Mid Leicestershire ...135m ASL
AFC Snow
11 December 2016 18:29:39

I would be quite happy to never see another easterly in either winter or summer A northerly would be more than welcome though

marco 79
11 December 2016 18:33:17
Classic NYE 78.....http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1978/Rrea00119781231.gif

After a relatively cold start to December ....a milder interlude over Christmas,,,,,then this delivered ....


Home : Mid Leicestershire ...135m ASL
marco 79
11 December 2016 18:37:36
Andy Woodcock
11 December 2016 22:19:55

Classic NYE 78.....http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1978/Rrea00119781231.gif

After a relatively cold start to December ....a milder interlude over Christmas,,,,,then this delivered ....

Originally Posted by: marco 79 

 

And note the deep freeze over the US as well, so much for the cold US/warm Europe theory.

Andy


Andy Woodcock

Penrith

Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001

DEW
  • DEW
  • Advanced Member
12 December 2016 09:47:19

It was mentioned in passing on Countryfile weather that the average temp of the North Sea at this time of year is 1.5C up on what it was in the early 1980s. So to deliver, it's not merely an easterly that we want but the even more restrictive condition of a short sea track easterly.


War is God's way of teaching Americans geography - Ambrose Bierce

Chichester 12m asl

Charmhills
12 December 2016 10:17:57

Thanks for resurrecting this thread Darren. Fascinating.

Do we not count late Nov/early Dec 2010 as a proper easterly? Living in Edinburgh at the time that was sure as hell a proper easterly http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2010/Rrea00120101201.gif 

Blizzards, drifting snow, icicles, the lot. 

Much less severe in Kent? 

Edit - I've dug out some old photos. 

That chart above brought me snow showers on the 1st December 2010 with temps around freezing.

That to me was as near as you can get to a proper easterly.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.

Jonesy
12 December 2016 11:00:43

Thanks for resurrecting this thread Darren. Fascinating.

Do we not count late Nov/early Dec 2010 as a proper easterly? Living in Edinburgh at the time that was sure as hell a proper easterly http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2010/Rrea00120101201.gif 

Blizzards, drifting snow, icicles, the lot. 

Much less severe in Kent? 

Edit - I've dug out some old photos. 

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

That chart above brought me snow showers on the 1st December 2010 with temps around freezing.

That to me was as near as you can get to a proper easterly.

Fairly Severe in my part of Kent, what with the Thames (Estuary ) giving a helping hand.


Medway Towns (Kent)

The Weather will do what it wants, when it wants, no matter what data is thrown at it !

Rob K
12 December 2016 11:59:57

 

In his excellent book 'Climate and the British Scene' Gordon Manley states "the hillier parts of Sheffield to the east of the City are perhaps the snowiest urban areas of Britain".

Having been stuck in a blizzard on Ranmoor in February 1979 I tend to agree.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

East or west? The western part of Sheffield which peters out into the Peak District would be snowier, I would think. I went to Sheffield University and lived on the western edge of Sheffield one year (just off the A57 in Crosspool, 230m asl) and that was pretty snowy - it was 1995-96 though!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Retron
  • Retron
  • Advanced Member Topic Starter
12 December 2016 12:38:28

Thanks for resurrecting this thread Darren. Fascinating.

Do we not count late Nov/early Dec 2010 as a proper easterly? Living in Edinburgh at the time that was sure as hell a proper easterly http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2010/Rrea00120101201.gif 

Blizzards, drifting snow, icicles, the lot. 

Much less severe in Kent?

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

FWIW, that wasn't an easterly - the air came from the Arctic Ocean north of Scandinavia, then moved in over the North Sea. In the easterlies of old a cold pool was advected westwards via Scandinavia from the Siberian high - the air originated east of the Urals. It's been a long time since we last saw one of those in midwinter!

Yup, much less severe here - no icicles, no drifts, blizzards or anything like it. This was due to the temperature being just a couple of degrees above the "sweet spot" - so those inland wouldn't have noticed much difference, but it ruined it here.

By the 30th Nov there was a snow depth of 6cm of slushy wet stuff - no ice days. It then half-melted on the 1st, then on the 2nd there was a marked dump of snow (6 inches)... it was slushy though as the temperature was above freezing as it fell. There were two ice days on the 3rd and 4th (-0.4C as a high) and then it pee'd down with rain, thawing the snow.

By recent standards that would have been amazing, but even the relatively poor easterly of January 1997 - the last true midwinter easterly - delivered 6 inches of powder and highs of -2C.

2010 was an absolute disappointment, especially given as pretty much everywhere inland had a truly memorable spell!

Jonesy - are you old enough to have seen a proper easterly, those in the 80s and 90s?


Leysdown, north Kent
Twister
12 December 2016 13:00:13

I realise that 2005 was a little disappointing in your coastal area Retron, but it was quite a prolonged treat further inland/with elevation in Kent with 2+ weeks of happy winter. We had a foot of level snow at its peak, and some significant drifting. True, there was some melting when the sun got going, but frequent snow showers helped to make it quite a memorable spell.

Would be great to see another beasterly come to these western shores of Europe... or any snowcover come to think of it!


Location: Egerton, Kent - 33m ASL

Thunder 2016: 12 (Apr 3,13; May 21; Jun 8,11,17,22,23,25, Jul 2,12, Aug 26)

Winter 2015/6: Snowfalls: 10 | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 17 (0.5cm)) | Air frosts: 39

Winter 2016/7: Snowfalls: 4 (Jan 12-3, Feb 10-11) | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 13, 2cm, Feb 11, 3-5mm) | Air frosts: 57 (2 in Oct, 10 in Nov, 13 in Dec, 19 in Jan, 6 in Feb, 3 in Mar, 4 in Apr)

"The heavens tell of the glory of God. The skies display his marvellous craftsmanship." (Psalm 19:1)

Charmhills
13 December 2016 10:25:35

Just to clarify, I quoted Joe's post but something seems to have gone wrong when I did it.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.

Remove ads from site