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Matty H
27 February 2018 15:50:11

 

 

If you want a good update phone Simon Keeling for a specific forecast as you say it is business related. Obviously got to pay a bit .

Originally Posted by: bledur 

Thanks for the info. The business I work for pays for some sort of MetO service. We constantly get useless information off them. Not useless right now I might add. Some really concerning stuff coming out re Thursday onward. I've got 8 responsive teams nationally, 4 on south, 4 on north consisting of 84 engineers. We've already seen a huge spike in priority callouts and that's only going to get worse by the looks of it. Most of the logistical issues so far have been parts of Kent. Very little disruptive snow being reported elsewhere nationally by the teams. Again, likely to change it seems.

Must express there is still clear uncertainty at the moment, although they must be firming up to have issued Ambers


Yate, Nr Bristol

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tallyho_83
27 February 2018 15:54:03

 

Originally Posted by: soperman 

Looks like you quoted in my quote - I am seeing a lot of Virga - here is a prime example looking eastwards from the other side - this is again Exeter Quay - see those dark clouds? - by the time they arrive Exeter they fragment? same with northerlies and back in December and that snow event back earlier in month over north cornwall and far north Devon - it just doesn't like Exeter. Big disappointment! 


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Steve
27 February 2018 16:01:29

 

Must express there is still clear uncertainty at the moment, although they must be firming up to have issued Ambers

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Freezing rain is something we DON'T want ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_fSPCk9aEA

Chelsea
27 February 2018 16:35:31

Just seen the latest BBC forecast and now saying no or very little snow away from the SW and then the north other than the snow already for Scotland tomorrow etc. I got a Met O weather warning for my are fro snow from Thursday-Saturday?

tallyho_83
27 February 2018 16:36:28

 

Looks like you quoted in my quote - I am seeing a lot of Virga - here is a prime example looking eastwards from the other side - this is again Exeter Quay - see those dark clouds? - by the time they arrive Exeter they fragment? same with northerlies and back in December and that snow event back earlier in month over north cornwall and far north Devon - it just doesn't like Exeter. Big disappointment! 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Well 20 mins later this was the pic - further to what looked like a brewing and well structured CB snow cloud!

Looks like it evaporated and just fragmented or some how turned in to an alto-cumulus cloud! Can this happen~? What causes this - dry air?


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moomin75
27 February 2018 16:45:30

Just seen the latest BBC forecast and now saying no or very little snow away from the SW and then the north other than the snow already for Scotland tomorrow etc. I got a Met O weather warning for my are fro snow from Thursday-Saturday?

Originally Posted by: Chelsea 

Well what a surprise this is? I would never have envisaged the snow being downgraded. Can't imagine me ever getting that impression from what was clearly unfolding in the models. Totally shocked.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Rob K
27 February 2018 16:51:38

Only a couple of hours after they ramped up the end of week warnings,the latest MO text forecasts look a downgrade with more emphasis on freezing rain?
They've also stopped using the word cold and replaced with 'raw'.

Originally Posted by: John p 

The SW text forecasts seem to have got more wintry and the SE ones less so. I would have thought the SW would be least likely to hang onto the cold, but there you go...

 

Meanwhile it looks as though they are seeing less shower activity tomorrow than there was today, which is the opposite of what was previously expected.


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soperman
27 February 2018 16:57:40

That is a surprise but also interesting.

Meteogroup vs Met Office - let's see if the warnings from the Met Office change although the current Amber warnings for Thursday and Friday are subject to uncertainty anyway.

This could turn out to be a virtually snowless Easterly IMBY which in itself is very unusual and a bit of a surprise. 

 


Happily living by the sea in Brixham......but sad to leave the snowy Chiltern Hills after 35 years!
roger63
27 February 2018 16:59:45

Now that METO and BBC are no longer singing from the same hymn sheet are we  getting increasing diversity between BBC and METO forecasts.?

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Chelsea
27 February 2018 17:03:24

Well what a surprise this is? I would never have envisaged the snow being downgraded. Can't imagine me ever getting that impression from what was clearly unfolding in the models. Totally shocked.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Indeed. Not surprised at all

sizzle
27 February 2018 17:11:58

Terry Scholey latest spring thoughts/forecast.

 

The current spell of severe winter weather I believe is a major clue to the type of conditions that could follow this spring. If this proves broadly correct, then May will be a good indicator as to the summer to come. I was pleased to see that my overall findings broadly agree with the Gavs Weather Vids prediction which has helped increase confidence, but my approach is somewhat different.

 

 Singularities are always a major player in my work and are particularly important during the spring months. These help to bring more detail into the forecast, but precise timing can be a problem. Other than this, basically I have taken a look at ten springs with very cold or significantly cold starts to March back to the mid-nineteenth century and added my 55 years or so of experience.

The general finding came up with a fair amount of northern 'blocking' particularly in the first half of both March and May. This often brings bouts of cold weather, or occasionally extremes of temperature and rainfall when milder air pushes up from the South. Changes can be sudden leading to crazy weather, with March 1965 in one of the archival springs I studied, the craziest month of the lot. April saw the least variance and tended to be drier.

Northern 'blocking' situations in the spring are generally not good for farmers and growers because of the extremes they can cause, not withstanding the possibility of some unseasonably late and damaging frosts. These are my final somewhat more detailed thoughts, based on the above with fingers crossed!

MARCH

A wet, cold first half and some heavy snow to begin with. A thaw moving up from the South could cause flooding for a while, before colder air returns. Apart from one month, all the March's that saw cold weather until mid-month had an element of much milder weather in the second half. Some spells were warm even very warm these mostly in the final week. Further showers from time to time are indicated, but it should be less wet than the first half.

APRIL

Perhaps a warm start but turning showery with a risk of thunder. Then fair or fine at times and mainly dry until mid-month but coolish with some night frost. A few showers occasionally mostly in the North. Hints of a warmer spell around or during the third week, then unsettled and turning cooler. A complicated picture into the final week with perhaps locally heavy showers giving thunder. A hint of a change to much colder conditions around month end.

MAY

Northern 'blocking' especially in the first half of the month that has a decidedly chilly look about it. Some places could even see some snow, this mostly on hills in the North in often cold, dull showery conditions particularly in the East and South. West Scotland and Northern Ireland should tend to be drier and finer with perhaps a good deal of sunshine at times here. This could lead to some pleasantly warm afternoons, but the nights would be cold with late damaging frost almost anywhere distinctly possible.

Warmer air may try to push up from the South most likely in the second week and should this be the case, then heavy falls of rain together with thunderstorms will occur especially over England and Wales. Uncertainties about the second half which should be warmer generally with summery spells that could be very warm or hot In an at times thundery month though there'll be some showers, with further storms perhaps breaking out followed brief unsettled somewhat cooler intervals.

HOPEFULLY THIS WILL PROVE A USEFUL GUIDE

26th February 2018

soperman
27 February 2018 17:12:31

Now that METO and BBC are no longer singing from the same hymn sheet are we  getting increasing diversity between BBC and METO forecasts.?

Originally Posted by: roger63 

 

In marginal/difficult situations to forecast such as the track of Thursday's low this could well be the case if their underlying computer modelling is different. Human forecasters may also take different views on the +48 - +72 weather predictions.

 

What I am not sure about is time lag - it has always been muted on this forum that the BBC forecasts when using the Met Office were behind the curve and I wonder if Meteogroup deliver its output using real-time data - one for Brian to ponder over I think?  


Happily living by the sea in Brixham......but sad to leave the snowy Chiltern Hills after 35 years!
Solar Cycles
27 February 2018 17:14:55

Now that METO and BBC are no longer singing from the same hymn sheet are we  getting increasing diversity between BBC and METO forecasts.?

Originally Posted by: roger63 

Its crazy isn’t it, and what makes it more so is that MeteoGroup  still use data from the MetO. 😕

soperman
27 February 2018 17:18:28

Its crazy isn’t it, and what makes it more so is that MeteoGroup  still use data from the MetO. 😕

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

 

Is that truly the case...so the BBC pay Metogroup for data that Meteogroup have already paid Meto for - sounds like a Ponzi scheme!


Happily living by the sea in Brixham......but sad to leave the snowy Chiltern Hills after 35 years!
Gooner
27 February 2018 17:28:00

Indeed. Not surprised at all

Originally Posted by: Chelsea 

????,

In terms of snow falling nothing has changed it’s just delayed a bit , I fully expecting a decent covering on Friday and into the early hours of Saturday morning.


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moomin75
27 February 2018 17:37:22

 

????,

In terms of snow falling nothing has changed it’s just delayed a bit , I fully expecting a decent covering on Friday and into the early hours of Saturday morning.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

You won't be surprised to hear I'm not. 😁😂😋


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Chelsea
27 February 2018 17:51:36

You won't be surprised to hear I'm not. 😁😂😋

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Me neither not for where I live in Chelmsford

Caz
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27 February 2018 18:01:01

Now that METO and BBC are no longer singing from the same hymn sheet are we  getting increasing diversity between BBC and METO forecasts.?

Originally Posted by: roger63 

The BBC app on my phone has been more accurate than the Met Office one in this case.  Met O had us in a yellow area, then changed it to amber the next day and then back to yellow the following day.  I always think at weekends the forecasts are less accurate though!  Whereas the Beeb had us with light snow consistently since the end of last week.  


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tallyho_83
27 February 2018 18:31:55

Amber warning for snow in the south west: - If this get's removes and downgrades then bugger! we will be in extra time (we as in Exeter). - Looks like a big question mark in Amber?


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schmee
27 February 2018 19:00:11

ITV no great shakes but bbc end is in site..? I haven’t looked at the met office yet. What happened to reliable teletext 😽


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Brian Gaze
27 February 2018 19:04:33

ITV no great shakes but bbc end is in site..? I haven’t looked at the met office yet. What happened to reliable teletext 😽

Originally Posted by: schmee 

To be fair they've been saying that since Marmaduke Hussey was in charge. 


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Tim A
27 February 2018 19:07:55
Shock horror some sleet has appeared in the 7 day Met office automated for here ( Monday,

1c with sleet turning back to snow in the evening) .


Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

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tallyho_83
27 February 2018 19:46:55

Shock horror some sleet has appeared in the 7 day Met office automated for here ( Monday,
1c with sleet turning back to snow in the evening) .

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

As in unexpected or a good thing!?


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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tallyho_83
27 February 2018 19:54:43

How come the met office are not talking about accumulations of snow or is it too early? - they mention significant ice build up!?

Do they mean snow or is this dreaded freezing rain!?


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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