Or...

Talking about charts that looks vaguely like a chart from a by gone decade or even century in some cases.

and the worst.. JFF 😖

Isn't that used to placate those who get uppity when a snowy chart several days away is posted?

If it stops the mizzo's whining about how it won't come off and that it's not backed up by the ens, then a quick 'JFF' caveat is fine by me. 

normally 10 days plus away

And I also use "JFF" to soften the blow when I'm doing the CFS Six Month Look-Ahead and its showing six months of "blowtorch" conditions from November to April! 

We'll deffo see that one if we have cold weather towards the end of March 2019. 

That's not fun though Gavin. 

People's reactions are though! 

I get annoyed by people who talk about the sun being too strong for proper snowfall once we get into early February. This year it was snowing hard with a temperature of -3C during the daytime in March!

Of course, it wasn't sunny when that snow was falling.

Get rid of the sun, via a nice overcast, and you can get your -2 or -3C daytime highs at the end of February. As soon as the sun comes out, though, drip.. drip.. drip..

The only way to avoid it is to get some really dry, deep cold air involved, i.e. dewpoints towards the minus double digits. That delays things somewhat, but is vanishingly rare down here.

Bear in mind as well that the spell at the end of Feb saw record-breakingly low thicknesses for the time of year!

Sorry that you find the truth tiresome. The loss of data results in a noticeable drop in the models' accuracy (as I've shown for a couple of years now), but feel free to ignore it. Indeed, that "ignore posts" button comes in handy, doesn't it?

You'd be surprised.  Transatlantic air traffic plays a big part in identifying/confirming or positioning jet streaks that can have significant knock-on effects on the model handling of developing storms. 

A bit like your exaggeration that people say "all model output is to be discarded", you mean?

Will it or Won't it.   Horrible Phrase... 

1. Stuck in the rut
2. Pest from the West
3. Showers turning wintry (Too vague!?) - What do they mean? Sleet, Snow, Soft Hail, Hail, Wet snow, Ice pellets or rain turning to sleet then snow? Showers Turning wintry could mean any of the above!? In North America they are far more specific and clear and would never use the term "Showers turning wintry!"

You're probably screwed either way as you'll lose snow cover through sublimation anyway.

I agree. 'Wintry showers' is a very vague term and doesn't really mean anything. Hail, for example, is not uncommon during big summer and autumn showers, so they are not just 'wintry'. 

'Thundery downpours' is another one that annoys the hell out of me. 

Indeed! Another annoying one is "Showers may be wintry at times!"

All joking aside, I can’t stand the use of any premature WINTER IS OVER posts. Even though I have been as guilty as many of being unduly pessimistic. As last winter proved, it’s never too late in the tri-month period of DJF and even later for a beast to envelop us. You won’t be hearing pessimism from me this winter. What will be will be, but it appears we are in another “post modern” era where our weather is becoming increasingly interesting again.

I’m all for cold and snow but what grates me is how some are just blinded by their lust for cold and snow, whilst intent on ignoring the bleedin obvious when the charts scream mild and wet then proclaiming them to be wrong but then disappear when it all goes t*ts up.

I use it all the time lol

​Using the word warm instead of mild gets on my nerves. Mild means horrible and worthless temperatures that are not warm enough to feel pleasant or cold enough to give the scenes of beauty and inspiration associated with proper cold. There is nothing warm about a miserable UK winter.