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Maunder Minimum
06 November 2017 13:39:49

Personally speaking, I feel more optimistic about our prospects for an early decent winter spell than I have for a few years. Solar activity is very low, ENSO is broadly neutral at the moment and we have had a monster hurricane season, which disrupts the early establishment of the PV.

However, the fly in the ointment is that La Nina conditions are forecast to intensify and the PV will probably get going at some point.

So, looking to a coldish November and December early winter, but back to the usual crud following the New Year. Enjoy any winter spell whilst it lasts...


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some faraway beach
06 November 2017 14:06:34

This posted by CC over in t’other channel who does post here from time to time but highlights perfectly what we need to be aware of as we head into the business part of the silly season.

CreweCold

Usually with the sort of charts on offer in the circa day 10 timeframe, I'd be getting a bit giddy. That is one huge Siberian HP and is usually a harbinger of all things winter. However, I have a nagging feeling we'll see the 'pretty patterns' of the progged shredded vortex dry up pretty sharpish as we head towards December. We need to see warmings of the strat if we're to prevent the upper strat uniting with the trop to bring the usual December dirge.



Unfortunately there is little sign of this at the moment. So those getting carried away may want to keep their excitement in check. It's pertinent to note that most of the 'legendary' years kicked of with a Canadian warming early doors...

Last year served as a lesson to us all just how quickly the trop vortex can ramp up once zonal winds increase.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

I'm not disputing CreweCold's analysis, but I worry that there's a danger here of falling into the sort of trap too many of us did in Dec 2010 - deliberately refusing to enjoy what's in front of us in order to divert people's focus towards how it's going to end.

It's November, the sun's getting lower by the day and, for the time being, the polar vortex is not organized. So let's enjoy the model watching while we can, and, more importantly, make sure we get outside and make the most of the foggy mornings, chilly sunshine and so on that the current set up is occasionally throwing up for us right now.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.

Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.

Hungry Tiger
06 November 2017 14:39:39

Another remarkable FI here...

Unlike past years though - i refuse to get carried away.  The models of recent years have been really good at saying what we could have had.  whilst the actual weather delivers stuff nothing like FI.

Netweather GFS Image

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

Looks like 2010 scenarios there.


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ballamar
06 November 2017 15:50:11
Isn't it time for a new thread for the incoming FI big freeze!
doctormog
06 November 2017 16:28:39

Isn't it time for a new thread for the incoming FI big freeze!

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

You can have a virtual one to match the virtual big freeze 

Seriously though it does look like a rather average or even cooler than average outlook in the coming week or two. As for FI cold, for cold weather fans it’s better it being there than not, but it’s a long journey.

 


warrenb
06 November 2017 16:42:54
Interesting FI coming up again
Ally Pally Snowman
06 November 2017 16:58:12

Another astonishing FI from GFS something appears to be brewing folks. 

 


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David M Porter
06 November 2017 17:21:51

Another astonishing FI from GFS something appears to be brewing folks. 

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Indeed Ally, we just have to hope that this theme is maintained over the coming runs.


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Phil G
06 November 2017 17:56:27

 

GFS has been toying with the idea of an Arctic high for a few runs. Blocking has also been touted out to the North East as well, so some early building blocks forecasted.

Russwirral
06 November 2017 17:57:56

Not gonna get excited, not gonna get excited, not gonna get excited

Image result for gif fingers in ears

 

Netweather GFS Image


Bertwhistle
06 November 2017 18:19:22

1070mb+ over Greenland in GFS op: that'll direct the flow. But I agree with Doc- there are repeated, and in some cases intensifying, signals for deep arctic advection.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.

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nsrobins
06 November 2017 18:29:32

Remember the trusted adage - 'what GFS giveth, GFS can (and in most cases does) take away'.

A fairly impressive signal for a substantial positive height anomaly to the North into mid-November, but as Michael has correctly said, it's a very long journey before anything is realised.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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Joe Bloggs
06 November 2017 18:45:10

Interesting trends, made to feel more notable given most were expecting the zonal express as we head into winter proper.

However, we’ve been round the block a few times now, and it’s never worth getting excited until we have cross model agreement of a cold pattern at circa T+96. 

Maunder Minimum
06 November 2017 19:35:33

Remember the trusted adage - 'what GFS giveth, GFS can (and in most cases does) take away'.

A fairly impressive signal for a substantial positive height anomaly to the North into mid-November, but as Michael has correctly said, it's a very long journey before anything is realised.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Don't know, but such FI charts are probably more reliable in November than they would be later in the winter. After all, the PV has not really got going yet, but FI charts in January which show promise often get blown away by the zonal express.


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Hungry Tiger
07 November 2017 10:20:47

Some interesting developments - But let's not get carried away. But bear in mind what we've been looking at thats all.

 


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Rob K
07 November 2017 11:09:52
The 1070mb GH is back on GFS, but it doesn't really extend far enough south to influence the UK too much - Atlantic lows can still pass through to the south keeping us cool and unsettled. Could be some decent snow for the mountains, mind.
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Tractor Boy
07 November 2017 11:44:49

Indeed, a continued trend for the polar vortex to fall to bits in the 10-day period

 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_240_1.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_300_1.png

 

Pressure remaining high to the south for the time being though, limiting the southward progress of any cold air. Not bad to see though.


Dave

Farndale, North York Moors

briggsy6
07 November 2017 19:20:32

Is anyone here NOT a fan of cold winter weather and looking for mild synoptics?


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Brian Gaze
07 November 2017 19:23:53

Is anyone here NOT a fan of cold winter weather and looking for mild synoptics?

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

Mild, wet and stormy is fine by me. Mild and dry dog days aren't. At the moment the mid term outlook is tilted towards average / cooler than average. 


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doctormog
07 November 2017 19:29:47
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPNH12_240_1.png 

(With all the usual caveats of course! Not only that but it doesn’t even show particularly cold weather in our neck of the woods anyway.)


Joe Bloggs
07 November 2017 19:38:37
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPNH12_240_1.png 

(With all the usual caveats of course! Not only that but it doesn’t even show particularly cold weather in our neck of the woods anyway.)

It looks fairly seasonal throughout to be honest.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_96_1.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_120_1.png

Certainly feeling chilly at times and not even in FI. 

doctormog
07 November 2017 19:40:22

 

It looks fairly seasonal throughout to be honest.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_96_1.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_120_1.png

Certainly feeling chilly at times and not even in FI. 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

Yes, I have been thinking November is being quite Novemberish this year. 


fairweather
07 November 2017 20:05:02

Is anyone here NOT a fan of cold winter weather and looking for mild synoptics?

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

I'm a fan of cold weather as are the majority. There are a few mild fans but promoting prospective mild synoptics doesn't seem to win many friends here ;-) Time for a nice, snowy, harmonious winter.

 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Maunder Minimum
07 November 2017 20:09:51

I'm a fan of cold weather as are the majority. There are a few mild fans but promoting prospective mild synoptics doesn't seem to win many friends here ;-) Time for a nice, snowy, harmonious winter.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Most (but by no means all) weather addicts like to see and experience rare extremes of climate. After all, the usual grey, damp blandness of a typical UK winter is hardly stimulating. So speaking for myself, I love periods when it is exceptionally cold and frosty in this country and a proper blizzard is pure heaven, given the vanishing rarity of such events in this locale. No doubt we would feel differently if we lived in Nova Scotia, where mild rampers might even be quite popular.


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