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Gooner
25 October 2017 06:35:02

I wouldn't put your money on ECM if I was you, it's not been the most reliable model in recent years . I'm not saying GFS is right but ECM has had it's comical moments .

 

in saying that far too early for me to get excited by charts 


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Hippydave
25 October 2017 07:25:20
GFS still going with a noticeable cool down as we head in to November - regardless of the specifics it's done well picking up the change to cooler weather. There's a suggestion both on GFS and ECM of repeated brief northerlies - be unusual if that does happen. Usually after the first one the pattern flattens out. Tis at least interesting though 🙂
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doctormog
25 October 2017 07:43:59

GFS still going with a noticeable cool down as we head in to November - regardless of the specifics it's done well picking up the change to cooler weather. There's a suggestion both on GFS and ECM of repeated brief northerlies - be unusual if that does happen. Usually after the first one the pattern flattens out. Tis at least interesting though :-)

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

Yes you’re right. A trend to cooler conditions is still evident on the charts with winds from a northerly quarter. A bit less intense than yesterday but hardly a surprise. At least it will feel more like mid to late autumn. 


Russwirral
25 October 2017 09:46:19
Models are pointing at a much drier, and frosty affair for north west Britain.

Very seasonal and a good start to the winter.


Charmhills
25 October 2017 09:52:24

EMS for Loughborough, more of a seasonal, chilly outlook despite a couple of milder bumps along the way.


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Rob K
25 October 2017 10:19:41

EMS for Loughborough, more of a seasonal, chilly outlook despite a couple of milder bumps along the way.

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

 

Yes it's a similar picture down here. So far we've not had the heating on and only lit the woodburner twice, for atmosphere rather than needing the warmth. But looking at that graph the log pile might be seeing some action come November!


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Gooner
25 October 2017 12:08:54

Models are pointing at a much drier, and frosty affair for north west Britain.

Very seasonal and a good start to the winter.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

 

Yes nice and seasonal at last .


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Gooner
25 October 2017 12:11:36

 

Even allowing for the colder weather in the ECM 00z op run at the start of November I am still failing to see the evidence for a “very warm” first half of November. Could you share the data? 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

 

Totally agree , its mad statements like this that wind people up, of course it depends on someone's version of v warm ?

 

It looks like a chilly start to November


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moomin75
25 October 2017 12:13:32

 

 

Totally agree , its mad statements like this that wind people up, of course it depends on someone's version of v warm ?

 

It looks like a chilly start to November

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Agree Marcus. A chilly and seasonal start to November and some interesting background signals too. I get a gut feeling that an interesting model watching season lies ahead.

 

Edit. EVEN in Witney 😁😀😂


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Gooner
25 October 2017 12:16:08

Agree Marcus. A chilly and seasonal start to November and some interesting background signals too. I get a gut feeling that an interesting model watching season lies ahead.

 

Edit. EVEN in Witney 😁😀😂

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

 

I am hoping for something decent this season....................even in your neck of the woods


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Bertwhistle
25 October 2017 12:23:52

 

You'll probably have it next week 

I'd actually love a northerly and some nice frosts, but I just thought I should mention that GFS is showing a less likely evolution based on the potential drivers. Also EC op at days 7-10 is less relevant anyway.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

But the majority of Ps in the ENS go cold:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gefs/gefsens850london0.png?cb=100

On 2nd, the warmest 850 out of the 21 (inc.control) is only about +3. The clustering shows strong agreement.


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some faraway beach
25 October 2017 13:05:49

A cool down on the ECM ensemble for London, but nothing requiring more than an extra jumper, I'd say. Should start to get chillier overnight though:

Even a fortnight out only a couple of the 50-odd perturbations scrape a frost.

Might be different further north though.


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Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.

nsrobins
25 October 2017 16:45:58
The ‘plunge’ becoming a little less robust with each run - not unexpected but at the very least next week will feel more like mid to late Autumn should. Been 21C here today.
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tallyho_83
25 October 2017 22:54:49

Looks like next things will get interesting next week weather wise. - But re the models- after so many downgrades and flips last Winter - are they that reliable?! I think not. I am trying not to get too obsessed looking at the models this year like previous years. Just hope this northerly will be proved right. It was 20c earlier here in Exeter which is truly remarkable for end of October as is the sun.

I have a friend in Minsk - Saw their first snow of the winter today & much earlier than usual.


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tallyho_83
25 October 2017 23:05:33

When did we last see a northerly beginning of November!?

I have taken a break from looking at the GFS ENSEMBLES for 6 months.

At least the LP is coming down from Greenland /Iceland and NOT coming up from the Azores or mid Atlantic etc. Definitely seeing a change in the direction of our low pressure systems commencing this weekend - Well Hurricane /storm Opehlia is an exception of course. - Even that is rare as it came all the way up from the Azores & Canary islands. - What is absent so far this autumn is our normal deep (Cyclogenesis) zonal Atlantic depressions that deepen as they cross the Atlantic and coming in and go SW to NE across the country, bringing in SW winds and rain.

Let's hope this pattern stays into December. Fingers crossed.


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doctormog
26 October 2017 08:33:10

When did we last see a northerly beginning of November!?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

I don’t think we have since 2016 as far as I recall. 


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26 October 2017 09:15:36

November had a wintry spell at the start last year.
We had at least two brief snowfalls especially higher up.

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ozone_aurora
26 October 2017 09:32:05

November had a wintry spell at the start last year.
We had at least two brief snowfalls especially higher up.

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Originally Posted by: four 

Very nice pictures four! Thanks for sharing them! 

I remember a brief Northerly spell in November 2014 in otherwise a mild wet month. No snow here of course (it's Lowestoft), but it was noted for high frequency of heavy, thundery showers and occasional deep Cb type hail produced from the still, warm North Sea. Nice addition to the fireworks, too. Maximum air temperature was 9 C.

doctormog
26 October 2017 11:07:20
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_180_1.png 

Either way it’s not really really an Arctic blast bringing wintry weather rather a cool northerly.


yorkshirelad89
26 October 2017 12:07:05

So a chill for eastern areas this weekend and settled for a while thereafter. What strikes me about current charts is the weak Atlantic, with lower then normal SLP around the Azores a frequent occurance.

Seems to be signs of more blocking to our NW later on. Also bear in mind there is strong model agreement on the first major cold air outbreak across the northern US and Canada in around 7-10 days time which could have implications.

Worth keeping an eye on.


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Brian Gaze
26 October 2017 12:31:31

So a chill for eastern areas this weekend and settled for a while thereafter. What strikes me about current charts is the weak Atlantic, with lower then normal SLP around the Azores a frequent occurance.

 

Originally Posted by: yorkshirelad89 

I agree but haven't we seen that in several recent autumns? I've noticed on a few GFS op runs the blues and purples are starting to appear in FI.


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The Beast from the East
26 October 2017 12:33:24

A few potent northerlies in the GEFS, like this one

 


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Saint Snow
26 October 2017 13:38:13
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_180_1.png 

Either way it’s not really really an Arctic blast bringing wintry weather rather a cool northerly.

 

That was the scenario being shown by Louise Lear on the late weather last night - a brief northerly this weekend into early next week (due to a high to our west & low to our east), followed by a low passing through, then back to a northerly with the same broad set-up as before.

 


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Russwirral
26 October 2017 16:52:16

 

I agree but haven't we seen that in several recent autumns? I've noticed on a few GFS op runs the blues and purples are starting to appear in FI.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

 

Aye it seems thats the new thing to lull us into a false sense of security with regards to the atlantic.  (Brian and the other storm aside)

 

Last year we thought we would be in blocking heaven before the atlantic woke up before Xmas, bang on schedule to some peoples winter forecast

 

From what im seeing in the charts.  They seem to be heading in a very similar way to last years charts.  The actual weather also seems to be very similar too.   

 

I really hope thats not the case, as the past few winters for us in the North west have been quite poor.


tallyho_83
26 October 2017 20:33:59

A few potent northerlies in the GEFS, like this one

 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Looks like the northerly mid next week is shifting eastwards each run with the core of cold and 'wintry' spell will be across Scandinavia and down into eastern Europe.

 

 

 


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