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severnside
05 August 2017 12:14:53

Peoples memories are strangely short. This 2 week unsettled spell in the south has now killed the perception of summer 2017. Up to until 21/7 is was an absolute stonker..you wouldn't believe that talking to people though.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Here in Gloucestershire we had a good spell for about 9 days mid June, it turned cool & wet for the final week, then first 1 week July was good, but then started slowly deteriorating, and been very unsettled and showery since, temperatures well down for the height of summer. My personal view is not a stonker of summer, if not the few days in June, then very average but now poor summer. Maybe things will improve , I hope they do. !

picturesareme
05 August 2017 12:56:10

 

Indeed Phil.

The signal for an improvement from around the 11th has been consistent for a while now. How far north and for how long is up for debate.

In weather lore the saying 'long notice long pass' should hopefully hold true to give the UK a rather better August.

Peoples memories are strangely short. This 2 week unsettled spell in the south has now killed the perception of summer 2017. Up to until 21/7 is was an absolute stonker..you wouldn't believe that talking to people though.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

The summer down here in the south has been average at best with just a few hot days.. without  those hot days it would have been poor. 

Even the metoffice said July was wetter and duller then average, with near average temperatures away from Scotland.

Will also add that June for England as a whole was warmer and wetter then average.

Whether Idle
05 August 2017 13:56:15

 

Indeed Phil.

The signal for an improvement from around the 11th has been consistent for a while now. How far north and for how long is up for debate.

In weather lore the saying 'long notice long pass' should hopefully hold true to give the UK a rather better August.

Peoples memories are strangely short. This 2 week unsettled spell in the south has now killed the perception of summer 2017. Up to until 21/7 is was an absolute stonker..you wouldn't believe that talking to people though.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Its a location based thing to a great extent.  The actual/anomaly maps I have posted in the CET threads at the end of each month do tell a story that for many the summer has been quite average, and for some, wet.  We have lucked out this year Steve, with the extreme SE being blessed with that incredible June and then very decent July. August is up for grabs.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Whether Idle
05 August 2017 21:07:25

Here is the ECM 12z: a potential improvement in MSLP over Britain after the North Sea low moves off.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Whether Idle
06 August 2017 08:17:29

Nice having one's own thread

This morning's GEFS show the possibility of a warming and drying trend.  As time progresses, naturally there is plenty of scatter, with the third of the month week offering a control run heatwave or operational unsettledness.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Phil G
06 August 2017 10:57:08
Was still using the charts off of "old" wetterzentrale until they ceased recently.

Not sure if its me but the new charts on wetterzentrale are a step backwards.

The only feature I like is the facility to run charts next to each other.

Don't like any of the charts.

Anyone else with the same opinion.

Hungry Tiger
06 August 2017 14:41:05

Not looking too bad at all.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/panels.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&lid=OP

 


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David M Porter
06 August 2017 15:31:32

Was still using the charts off of "old" wetterzentrale until they ceased recently.
Not sure if its me but the new charts on wetterzentrale are a step backwards.
The only feature I like is the facility to run charts next to each other.
Don't like any of the charts.

Anyone else with the same opinion.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

What I have found interesting in the last couple of weeks or so is how the "old" wetterzentrale GFS charts are still updating right up to T+240, but then not beyond that. On my machine, the GFS charts for T+264 and beyond are still showing the 06Z run on Wednesday 19th July; this I think was the day the GFS was updated.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Ally Pally Snowman
06 August 2017 19:03:06

Any settled spell seems to be disappearing yet again the complete write off summer for the north of England and Scotland looks like continuing.  Maybe the odd better day further south but nothing to great.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Chunky Pea
06 August 2017 19:16:58

Any settled spell seems to be disappearing yet again the complete write off summer for the north of England and Scotland looks like continuing.  Maybe the odd better day further south but nothing to great.

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

This morning's EC15 run made for grim viewing but perhaps it is a once off.


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Caz
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06 August 2017 19:26:51

What is next Saturday evening looking like for me?  We're thinking of having family round for food and would like to cook paella outdoors.  Am I fairly safe to arrange it?  


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Phil G
06 August 2017 20:29:08

 

What I have found interesting in the last couple of weeks or so is how the "old" wetterzentrale GFS charts are still updating right up to T+240, but then not beyond that. On my machine, the GFS charts for T+264 and beyond are still showing the 06Z run on Wednesday 19th July; this I think was the day the GFS was updated.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

 

Thanks David as did not realise it was still updating through the new site, up to 240.

Happier now can still see charts so familiar with.

SJV
06 August 2017 20:31:16

What is next Saturday evening looking like for me?  We're thinking of having family round for food and would like to cook paella outdoors.  Am I fairly safe to arrange it?  

Originally Posted by: Caz 

A bit to far away to reliably forecast. GFS currently forecasting heavy showers over your location later on Saturday. No doubt this will disappear when the 18z run comes out! A weak ridge of high pressure nosing in from the south could will likely settle down the weather for the south but pesky fronts to the north will continue to threaten from time to time.

I'd say it's anything but safe in weather terms! 

 

 

Whether Idle
07 August 2017 06:17:44

UKMO 11 August :

GFS 12 August:

UKMO 13 August:

The further SE the better the chance of bright warm weather as any frontal bands weaken as they encounter MSLP of 1020mb +.

I still see 11 August as potentially something of a turning point, for southern England at least.

 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
idj20
07 August 2017 07:41:35

 

A bit to far away to reliably forecast. GFS currently forecasting heavy showers over your location later on Saturday. No doubt this will disappear when the 18z run comes out! A weak ridge of high pressure nosing in from the south could will likely settle down the weather for the south but pesky fronts to the north will continue to threaten from time to time.

I'd say it's anything but safe in weather terms! 

 

 

Originally Posted by: SJV 



Or it might be easier to admit that the UK really isn't exactly a fresco/BBQ/beach type country.

Anyway, I'll get back on topic and say that I do agree with WI with his thoughts, once we get past the mid-week gunk, the general outlook beyond that looks fairly useable for this neck of the woods, even if it does feel like pulling teeth at times.  


Home location: Folkestone Harbour.
Tractor Boy
07 August 2017 12:03:27

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

 

Changeable


Dave

Farndale, North York Moors

Solar Cycles
07 August 2017 13:18:21



Or it might be easier to admit that the UK really isn't exactly a fresco/BBQ/beach type country.

Anyway, I'll get back on topic and say that I do agree with WI with his thoughts, once we get past the mid-week gunk, the general outlook beyond that looks fairly useable for this neck of the woods, even if it does feel like pulling teeth at times.  

Originally Posted by: idj20 

Indeed, the further south the better the weather from mid-week onwards. 

idj20
07 August 2017 17:40:53

Now this is what I call a very slack col-like set up for Friday.   

 


Home location: Folkestone Harbour.
Rob K
07 August 2017 21:54:09

Now this is what I call a very slack col-like set up for Friday.   

 

Originally Posted by: idj20 

 

Come on Exeter, no pressure!

 

Wednesday looks like a total washout down here but still some hints of drier weather after the weekend. Any signs of warmth seem to have vanished altogether though, I'll settle for a bit of sun!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Whether Idle
08 August 2017 05:18:14

Could be a wet couple of days or so for the drier parts of the UK.  With better conditions for Edinburgh? With water levels very low locally and the local chalk stream in danger of drying up for the first time in a very very long while, I hope that these systems do manage to drop a lot of water in the places it is needed.

 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Maunder Minimum
08 August 2017 08:11:07

I am on holiday next week and I hope these charts verify:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&run=0&time=204&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref

Not a stonking HP cell, but could be far worse than that.

Slack HP and no precipitation over the UK.


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bledur
08 August 2017 08:12:05

Looks like a westerly flow, wetter in the north, drier to the south, temps cool to average.

Jiries
08 August 2017 09:28:46

I am on holiday next week and I hope these charts verify:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&run=0&time=204&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref

Not a stonking HP cell, but could be far worse than that.

Slack HP and no precipitation over the UK.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

It look stonking strong HP nationwide with dry air from Europe which give the north a chance to see proper settled weather.  Remember in summer 1020-1025mb is the best you can get because it does not reach 1030mb often and go high as 1040-45mb only in winter months.  Not sure why in summer it doesn't reach 1040-45mb here. Like what you said I do hope it will verify because we well over due for a nationwide HP days which is very normal to get it often in summer time.

severnside
08 August 2017 10:09:03

Really hope this models verify and continues showing in the next runs

NAO also looking better ?

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao.sprd2.gif

Rob K
08 August 2017 10:57:32

Could be a wet couple of days or so for the drier parts of the UK.  With better conditions for Edinburgh? With water levels very low locally and the local chalk stream in danger of drying up for the first time in a very very long while, I hope that these systems do manage to drop a lot of water in the places it is needed.

 

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

 

Arpege has over 80mm of rain by Thursday morning for parts of East Anglia, and up to 70mm for parts of London. Could be some serious flooding in urban areas.

 

http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/arpege/runs/2017080800/arpegeuk-25-54-0.png?08-06


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

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