only time will tell. I do expect most of uk to see lying snow this year following the averages. The ECM and its ensembles do keep the northerly, so we are at the point of model battles again. I suspect the models are just showing a precursor to a Nort, North Westerly flow. ☃😊

Martin

And once again Beast cut out the melodramatic nonsense. If you have to post "analysis" like your last sentence do not do it in this thread as it is unfounded, offputting and totally off-topic. I cannot make that message any clearer without having to act on it.

zonal conditions started yesterday and finish Boxing Day as pressure builds back in according to the charts😄

Martin

High pressure dominates this morning's UKMO

Why ruin others' inaccurate melodrama with proper analysis Martin? 

You are of course correct, what comes to fruition as ever is in doubt and remains to seen. Certainly not without interest.

The MetO T+144 looks to support the ECM. 

Interesting times! 

I don't think you're one of our 'simpler' members so why make such.nonsensical statements other than for effect? I'm 28 miles northwest of central London and even last winter brought a few inches of wet snow.

Now you're just taking the ****.

Really what is the point of posting such total tripe?

I just don't understand comments like these either you are blind or you have your own weather computer, I'm guessing the latter

what is zonal about this

Dutch ECM and GFS overnight ens

ECM looks a little cooler overall although GEFS dips later on

FI and all that but I do like the NH view of the ECM 240

The PV lobe over Canada is dissipating, there's some WAA over Greenland and a buckled jet. With LP over the azores too things are loaded with potential. May not come to anything of course but better than a flat zonal pattern

I'm surprised at Beast as he has contributed with credible knowledge in the past. What happened? These comments "if it were the 80's we would have had snow by now" have become so daft it's as if they're purely out of frustration.

EC15 this morning does not paint a pretty picture in the latter stages.

Worst post I've ever read on here and that's saying something.

What a load of balls.

Happy Christmas!

At 240 they make a good scan through.  One can start to feel a little cheery perhaps?

Well there is a lot of scatter - if that's what you mean

Edit: Just for academic interest I'd like to see the stamps for the member that gives four ice days over the New Year period.

http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2016122406/gens-0-1-276.png

Control is reasonable in terms of keeping us on the cold side of the jet

A few good ens members like this as well, but not enough to get me interested

http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2016122406/gens-9-1-300.png

Earth to Saint.......your inbox is full, I was trying to send you a pm

Bitterly cold weather returning - or continuing for SE Europe including Turkey and heading towards Algeria, Tunisia and Libya:

A long way off but the typical thing that frustrates me - yet again we see a chart with the main cold pool of air and Arctic weather with snow and bitterly cold winds go to Greece and most of SE Europe:

Yet again - typical  - The WInter goes to Spain, southern and central and south eastern Europe instead:

I know this pattern will change but it just proves that it's not happening or going to happen for the UK this year.

I KNOW THIS IS NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BUT - The point I am making is the location of the HP - it's always in the wrong places at the wrong time.

High pressure will bring a quiet end to the year with variable cloud amounts as next week goes on

Unable to post t96 from wetterzentral due to a fault with the chart

Some sort of colder regime looks likely now first week of Jan.

GFS goes for this in the new year: and followed in deepest FI with a classic toppler. As good as it gets.

and GEM "rounds things off" with this: