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squish
22 December 2016 23:24:07
18z control following the operational....

http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-252.png?18 

and a fair few ens members...but by no means the majority.


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Phil G
22 December 2016 23:28:54
Can't see anything wrong with the charts tonight. During the reliable, HP wanted to ridge in some form to the north but was thwarted. Appears another attempt a few days later and conditions could be more favourable.

Certainly more interest after today's better runs.

squish
22 December 2016 23:29:06
roger63
22 December 2016 23:30:16

18z control following the operational....

http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-252.png?18

and a fair few ens members...but by no means the majority.

Originally Posted by: squish 

Split of ENS at 2480h  70:30 HP:zonal.However majority of ENS are not like the op.towards the end of FI there more signs of westward shift in HP.

moomin75
22 December 2016 23:33:25

18z control !
http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-0-300.png?18

Originally Posted by: squish 

That'll do. Bank!


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Chunky Pea
22 December 2016 23:37:14

Latest EC46 leaves little to be desired in the longer term but showing the chance of some cold shots into Europe in the shorter range.


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

squish
22 December 2016 23:53:16

At no point did the 18z operational(for London)have less than 5 ensemble runs coming in even colder ( notably the control)....so quite a shift, but this all happens post 192hrs, so caution required


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Karl Guille
23 December 2016 00:01:21
Certainly an encouraging ensemble set for me, but clearly far too early for any excitement.

http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/graphe_ens3.php?x=226&ext=1&y=252&run=18&runpara=0 


St. Sampson

Guernsey

tallyho_83
23 December 2016 00:07:55

Always the opposite eh!? - Which will prove true? - So far the GFS has been very accurate  - so i'll stick with that.

My concern is that we have been let down so much each time - where did this cold come from ? Is this a cold outlier and will we back to zonal tomorrow!?

 

 


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some faraway beach
23 December 2016 00:07:56

This would be my worry. The 12z ECM op is by no means a total outlier in the ensemble, but there are far more perturbations which would leave you wondering what all the fuss was about.

Still. After that 18z GFS op and control this must be the first time this winter that everyone's properly looking forward to what the morning brings. 


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.

Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.

Gandalf The White
23 December 2016 00:21:21

At no point did the 18z operational(for London)have less than 5 ensemble runs coming in even colder ( notably the control)....so quite a shift, but this all happens post 192hrs, so caution required

Originally Posted by: squish 

T+192 isn't as critical a point as it once was, now that the high res section runs to T+240.

 

 

The ECM ensemble rainfall chart shows the dominant anticyclonic conditions:


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



nsrobins
23 December 2016 04:09:35
Just had someone banging on my door asking for Gemma. The joys of living close to a nightclub! So if anyone knows where 'Gemma' is, kindly let the annoying div who woke me up know to ease his pain.

So, awake and rolling into the 00Z GFS offering and the question is will it be the morning after pill or morning glory? What I'll be surprised to see today is a repeat of the GFS 18Z but to keep momentum towards the projected poleward amplification week 1 January we should expect solidification this morning in the ENS cluster.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

Ally Pally Snowman
23 December 2016 05:01:06

Bank bank bank the gfs 0z stunning run an early Christmas present. Could a new year freeze up be on the way?


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Phil G
23 December 2016 05:20:37
Boys, OH BOYS!

We have had to be patient, but GFS now sticking to its guns of something more promising as we start the new year.

As sure many will feel however, we need to get a lot closer to the actual date, but there is something there to look at at least.

Let's see if ECM follows suit in 1-1.5 hours time.

Picked a day showing up

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3241.gif 

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn32417.gif 

White Meadows
23 December 2016 05:30:33

The key moment appears to be New Year's Day with retrogression occurring

The 00z evolving quickly to this:
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif


...with a proper nice fat Greenland high & pressure dropping rapidly over Iberia. 
By no means a clear cut pattern follows on this run but a definite trend disrupter supporting the 18z

All eyes on the ecm and tiny tweaks in the Met office extended written poetry.

White Meadows
23 December 2016 05:35:22

Just had someone banging on my door asking for Gemma. The joys of living close to a nightclub! So if anyone knows where 'Gemma' is, kindly let the annoying div who woke me up know to ease his pain.
So, awake and rolling into the 00Z GFS offering and the question is will it be the morning after pill or morning glory? What I'll be surprised to see today is a repeat of the GFS 18Z but to keep momentum towards the projected poleward amplification week 1 January we should expect solidification this morning in the ENS cluster.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

I found Gemma:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3361.gif

 

nsrobins
23 December 2016 05:39:33
Another step in the right direction agreed but keep the champagne on ice for now as there is a LONG way to go and a huge amount of time for changes. Dare I mention the word 'shortwave'? 😉

If by Sunday we have all three majors pumping WAA into the GIN region from 30th Dec then maybe not cork popping time, but we can start blowing up the balloons.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

nsrobins
23 December 2016 05:40:38

 

I found Gemma:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3361.gif

 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Is that Snowstorm Gemma? 😂


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

nsrobins
23 December 2016 05:50:33
Caution advised. Most of the GEFS are not as keen or as clean as the OP but I haven't seen the spaghetti yet.

That said, I like the look of P19 😯


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

Whether Idle
23 December 2016 06:23:05

Caution advised. Most of the GEFS are not as keen or as clean as the OP but I haven't seen the spaghetti yet.
That said, I like the look of P19 😯

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Agreed.  The Op and control cast some red meat out which will be quickly consumed by scavenging model watchers.   If nothing else it disrupts the "watching paint dry" type charts of the last few weeks.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gusty
23 December 2016 06:27:48

Steady as she goes. Continuing in the right direction. Caution needed.

Overall though I'm pleased with what I see here.

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JACKO4EVER
23 December 2016 06:31:16
I think the Op has been at the Christmas sherry. 😊

Enjoy the festive fun charts while they last. In most of the suites HP is a dominant player in one position or another.... so it's a waiting game to find out where it's going to go. Sadly I think the jet may scupper us, flattening anything trying to gain a foothold north, but encouraging non the less.

Arcus
23 December 2016 06:42:37

Just had someone banging on my door asking for Gemma. The joys of living close to a nightclub! So if anyone knows where 'Gemma' is, kindly let the annoying div who woke me up know to ease his pain.
So, awake and rolling into the 00Z GFS offering and the question is will it be the morning after pill or morning glory? What I'll be surprised to see today is a repeat of the GFS 18Z but to keep momentum towards the projected poleward amplification week 1 January we should expect solidification this morning in the ENS cluster.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Not sure about Gemma, but Gem not so keen

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2016122300/gem-0-240.png?00

Let's see if its Euro playmate follows the same path this morning.


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Whether Idle
23 December 2016 06:43:14

I think the Op has been at the Christmas sherry. 😊
Enjoy the festive fun charts while they last. In most of the suites HP is a dominant player in one position or another.... so it's a waiting game to find out where it's going to go. Sadly I think the jet may scupper us, flattening anything trying to gain a foothold north, but encouraging non the less.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

You mean like this?

Heights not looking good in Greenie at 192 on ECM:


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Weathermac
23 December 2016 06:57:18

I think the Op has been at the Christmas sherry. 😊
Enjoy the festive fun charts while they last. In most of the suites HP is a dominant player in one position or another.... so it's a waiting game to find out where it's going to go. Sadly I think the jet may scupper us, flattening anything trying to gain a foothold north, but encouraging non the less.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

 

Scrooge

 

Will enjoy these charts as not seen anything like them in ages

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