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wallaw
11 June 2012 07:51:39

Best game of the tournament so far between Spain & Italy. Italy much better than most expected, but Balotelli gave us the comedy moment.

Ireland outplayed, but so unlucky on a couple of occassions. Croatia's second goal was a mile offside, and Ireland denied a stonewall penalty when it was 2-1.

 

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Brilliant wasn't it


Ian

Stockton-on-Tees

Saint Snow
11 June 2012 08:32:41

Predictions for tonight?

I reckon we'll be totally outplayed, have around 35-40% posession, see most of the play in our half, never put France under any sort of sustained pressure, but scrape a 0-0 draw.

If I were a betting man, I'd also have covering bet on 1-0 to France because England are that bit prone to letting in a stinker.


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Ally Pally Snowman
11 June 2012 08:41:44

I have a feeling we will lose, France are certainly a much better side but I'm hoping for an early England goal and then we can park the bus and hang on for dear life.

Head 2 - 0 to France

Heart 1- 0 to England


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Romfordman
11 June 2012 08:43:55

Predictions for tonight?

I reckon we'll be totally outplayed, have around 35-40% posession, see most of the play in our half, never put France under any sort of sustained pressure, and lose to a late goal.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Have amend your prediction, to my predicition


Richard

35m asl

No matter who you vote for the government always gets in

Ally Pally Snowman
11 June 2012 09:12:41

Croatian fans causing some trouble in Poznan yesterday not too serious but you can imagine the fuss our media and Uefa would be making if this was English fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdakPQ91ABc


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Jonesy
11 June 2012 09:50:35

Engeerrrrland Engeerrrrland Engeerrrrland Engeerrrrland

Hope we can keep it tight for the first 20mins, soak up the pressure and hit them on the counter

 


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wallaw
11 June 2012 10:04:15

I agree with most in that it will likely be a 0-0 or 1-0 France. I was talking to my brother yesterday and we agreed that all the games so far have been quite good, they have been pleasantly surprising after the dire world cup. However it's likely that tonight's early kick off will be the first snoozefest of the championships


Ian

Stockton-on-Tees

Arcus
11 June 2012 10:35:10
Looks like temperatures will be in the 30s at KO - never a good sign for the England team, especially as they have been used to much cooler climes at their training base in Krakow. The French have their base local to Donetsk, so may be more acclimatised.

Like others on here, I suspect a tight game with England parking the bus for much of the time. 0-0, or late French winner for a 1-0.


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

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SydneyonTees
11 June 2012 10:50:59

If we go 1 - 0 down it will likely be game over and finish 1 - 0.

0 - 0 wouldn't be a bad result. England have an AWFUL record in opening Euro games.

Ally Pally Snowman
11 June 2012 11:21:54

If we go 1 - 0 down it will likely be game over and finish 1 - 0.

0 - 0 wouldn't be a bad result. England have an AWFUL record in opening Euro games.

Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 

 

Indeed we have never won our opening game of the Euro's infact we normally lose it just goes to show that England being s*** is certainly nothing new. Lets hope we can change that tonight.

 


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Saint Snow
11 June 2012 11:31:14

I agree with most in that it will likely be a 0-0 or 1-0 France. I was talking to my brother yesterday and we agreed that all the games so far have been quite good, they have been pleasantly surprising after the dire world cup. However it's likely that tonight's early kick off will be the first snoozefest of the championships

Originally Posted by: wallaw 

    Good call.

Look at the Ireland team. In many respects, it's like an England 'B' team in so far as the vast majority have come through the ranks in the Premier League or Championship and are typical 'English' players. With typical English technical deficiencies. They're coached by a Italian with a conservative approach to the game and have built a reputation as a defensive-minded team.

Yet they gave it a go last night, especially after falling behind. Out-skilled by Croatia and looking far less comfortable on the ball (terrified at times, and desperate to pass it), they at least tried to get the ball and some numbers forwards. A bit like in a boxing match when a limited slugger faces a champion, but still goes toe to toe. OK, that may be romanticising it too much for effect (and in reality, the Irish were pegged back on the ropes for most of the game, probably willingly at times).

But my point is to compare their approach with how England have played in recent tournaments (especially SA 2010), when despite having some players who genuinely have skill and comfort on the ball (although the 'golden generation' were over-hyped, they still were quality players). They have proven this with top displays for their clubs in the Champions League at times. Yet put them in an England shirt at a tourament and they look terrified, clueless, uncomfortable. They've been 'owned' by much lesser teams and left clinging on in defence in stale, dull games.

Given Hodgson's predaliction for well-organised, defence-orientated teams, can anyone really see us giving it a go against the French? Trying to dictate the pace of the game to one more natural to the England players? (ie - frenetic) To switch analogies to cricket this time, it's like we're a batsman facing a decent spinner, and going into his shell to let the spinner dominate him, when the better approach would be to take on the bowler and try to dominate them, forcing them to become defensive. Of course, the outcome could be that you lose your wicket cheaply. But at least you've given it a go. Not played for a 0-0 bore-athon.

I guess that's why I liked Keegan as England boss, his great 'sh*t or bust' attitude. I remember England coming out against a well-fancied Portugal stuffed with top players and spanking them for half and hour, going 2-0 up. OK, so it all went a bit T-U after that. Perhaps if Keegan had been a better manager he'd have changed things at that point to lose a bit of gung-ho'ness. But it showed what we could do if the players were given a licence to go at the opponents from the off. And it was exciting.

If England lose 1-0 tonight to a late goal after a Herculean defensive effort (the overall effect being a snorefest) it will do nothing but stir negativity. On the other hand, a 3-2 loss after an exciting end-to-end game would get the players and fans and media up for it.

But we know the reality will be 11 men behind the ball and much sideways/backwards passing.

Yawn.


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Ally Pally Snowman
11 June 2012 12:25:08

Sky Sports news sources believe they have the team Hart Johnson Terry Lescott Cole Milner Gerrard Parker Oxlade-Chamberlain Young and Welbeck.

A nice surprise he has gone with the young OX think its a bold choice great player. A much better bet than Downing.

Its not a bad team really some good pace up front and a solid back 5. Really up for this now. COME ON ENGLAND!!!!


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wallaw
11 June 2012 13:18:18

If that team is true then I am a 'little' more excited than I was with the prospect of Downing in the team. Although they have still insisted on playing Parker which means we will give at least 20 odd cheap free kicks away


Ian

Stockton-on-Tees

Jonesy
11 June 2012 14:29:38

I reckon he'll start with Carrol but I think we could get in behind France with pace on the counter so I would go...

4-5-1 or 4-3-2-1 however you wanna look at it

Originally Posted by: Jonesy 

And there ya go, that is the starting line-up after all,

 

...Don't blame me if we Lose, I had no influence


Medway Towns (Kent)

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Hamptonian
11 June 2012 14:34:05

I really don't expect a win tonight because France are unbeaten in their last 20 games or so I believe.

HOWEVER, it would be very nice to see some encouraging England signs, and a draw would be a good result from this match.

SEMerc
11 June 2012 14:35:23

Given the ravages of injuries and suspensions that is probably the best side Woy could put out.

Hamptonian
11 June 2012 14:36:29

If that team is true then I am a 'little' more excited than I was with the prospect of Downing in the team.

Originally Posted by: wallaw 

I've never been a fan of Downing in the team to be honest. His successful shot ratio is just so poor. It reminds me a little bit of the World Cup 2010 when in the last 20 minutes or so of the Algeria or Germany game (can't remember which now), Capello brought Heskey on. I mean... we're trying to score goals for goodness sake.

Romfordman
11 June 2012 15:19:23

Well I thought I was going to be able to watch the footie, however, I'm experiencing delays at work and probaly won't arrive back until at least 8.30pm


Richard

35m asl

No matter who you vote for the government always gets in

Saint Snow
11 June 2012 15:40:51

Well I thought I was going to be able to watch the footie, however, I'm experiencing delays at work and probaly won't arrive back until at least 8.30pm

Originally Posted by: Romfordman 

That's what the highlights show is for. Just try to avoid the result until watching it for added enjoyment 


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Sevendust
11 June 2012 15:50:17

Fww, we should bear in mind that France have screwed up a few times in games which you have expected them to win easily so its not just England

I've not seen this "wanting England to lose" mentality.  What I am aware of is the low expectation this time due to a whole raft of factors. Tbh, English people who want that should be deported

The performance will be key for me. I'm expecting little but a good performance involving some new players will at least put a marker down for the future

Matty H
11 June 2012 16:19:24

Sat here doing the accounts, radio says Milner missed an open goal? Was it that straightforward?


Yate, Nr Bristol

TBFTEIARBSC

Sevendust
11 June 2012 16:28:27

Sat here doing the accounts, radio says Milner missed an open goal? Was it that straightforward?

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Took it wide of the keeper - had a decent angle on goal but snatched at it as he fell away. Rooney would likely have scored

NUT
11 June 2012 16:30:52

Lescot lovely header!

Romfordman
11 June 2012 16:31:50

well impressed!


Richard

35m asl

No matter who you vote for the government always gets in

CAPE-steve
11 June 2012 16:33:07
Whoopdeedoo! 😃

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