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Retron
15 August 2026 10:23:56

Does anyone know whether Wisley has had any rain in the past week?

Originally Posted by: scillydave 

It's had nothing, it missed the showers last night too.

https://weatherobs.com/ 

Search for Wisley, click it, then go to the dashboard and you can see the stats for the last 7 days.


Leysdown, north Kent
Bertwhistle
15 August 2026 13:03:11
Seems cigarette ends are widely discounted as litter. I have yet to see a smoker inconvenience themself by having to look for a suitable extinguishing point or taking the extinguished butt away. Some clearly attempt to tread them out- even that would be a fool's errand at the moment. Others just flick them away.

My children's generation don't seem to be smokers at all (around here) but there still seem to be fair numbers of my age or older who do (I don't). I'm amazed there haven't been more localized fires.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.

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The Beast from the East
15 August 2026 13:32:11

...but to my surprise the article is quite good and explains how we're now seeing a "flash drought", how assumptions were that we'd instead see a chain of several dry winters in a row, and it details all the things done since 1976 to mitigate things.

This summer isn’t as bad as the drought of 1976

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/08/15/this-summer-isnt-as-bad-as-the-drought-of-1976/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0b3ce9ae1709f1dd 

(I don't know whether the link above works for more than one person, but it's worth a go. The usual archive services don't work on the Telegraph any more.)

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Yes, its not really a drought. ground water, river levels and reservoir levels seem fine.  We've had a series of wet winters. Its looks bad on the surface but there is moisture deeper down.  I havent needed to water my roses at all, they are still growing fine 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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15 August 2026 14:15:32

Yes, it's not really a drought. Groundwater, river levels and reservoir levels seem fine.  We've had a series of wet winters. Its looks bad on the surface but there is moisture deeper down.  I haven't needed to water my roses at all, they are still growing fine 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Are you sure, Beast it's not really a drought? 


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Bertwhistle
15 August 2026 15:06:11
Interestingly, the MetOffice used to classify 'drought' more specifically.

Absolute drought was 15 days with zero rainfall.

Partial drought was 30 days with (I think) with total rainfall < 0.1mm.

I think this was in the Guiness Book of Weather Facts and Feats, (1977) by Ingrid Holford, the first female TV weather forecaster for the BBC I recall her saying, when I met her in Brockenhurst.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.

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scillydave
15 August 2026 17:26:18

Yes, its not really a drought. ground water, river levels and reservoir levels seem fine.  We've had a series of wet winters. Its looks bad on the surface but there is moisture deeper down.  I havent needed to water my roses at all, they are still growing fine 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

I'd be interested to know where exactly you think (in those areas that are currently officially in drought) the ground, river and water levels are fine.

I'm aware that there are a very small handful of rivers at near normal flow rates and the same for reservoir levels but the overwhelming majority are definitely not fine.

This report should help bring you up to speed with the current situation. Though bear in mind it was published on the 10th August using data up to the end of July. 

Since then most of England and Wales have had little to zero rainfall and so the situation will have worsened further still.

https://hydoutuk.net/latest-outlook 

And here's an article detailing the reservoir situation. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/aug/14/reservoirs-england-wales-exceptionally-low-water-drought


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Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

Rob K
15 August 2026 17:45:46
When driving back from Luton airport around 5am there was a brief heavy shower on the M25 NW of London. Enough to make the wipers come on for about 30 seconds. Quite an odd occurrence.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Retron
15 August 2026 17:59:47

When driving back from Luton airport around 5am there was a brief heavy shower on the M25 NW of London. Enough to make the wipers come on for about 30 seconds. Quite an odd occurrence.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Hah - last week I popped out to Tesco early and had to have the wipers on for a couple of miles. The reason? Insta-fogging up on the outside of the windscreen! I think it must have been cooler here at home, but as soon as I went up the hill it warmed up, the dewpoint too, and then as my windscreen was still cold it kept fogging up. So I had the wipers on (and the blowers/heater), but until that did its job people would have seen me driving along in full sunshine with the wipers going...

As for rain, it's now 6 and a half weeks since the last shower here. I've almost forgotten the sound of rain on the windows...


Leysdown, north Kent
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15 August 2026 19:50:51
There's the slight smoky whiff again as it gets dark. Midlands drift?
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South Dorset

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The Beast from the East
16 August 2026 02:28:34

Are you sure, Beast it's not really a drought? 

Originally Posted by: NMA 

I mean locally anyway.  The river Wandle near me seems to be running fine.  The local yobs still throwing beer cans into it 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Jiries
16 August 2026 06:06:53

I mean locally anyway.  The river Wandle near me seems to be running fine.  The local yobs still throwing beer cans into it 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Likely your council pumps fresh drinking water to the river to keep flowing artificially like Epsom does pump in water from Bourne hall lake to keep Hogmills river flowing.  They should be stopped wasting water during hosepipe bans same times.  Imagine a hose is 1cm wide and we don’t let it waste 24hr a day.  But them got away with it by pumping out from a bigger pipe. Even won’t turn off during 2014 very wet winter that flooded part of London road in Ewell that sit next to side river next to Bourne hall lake.  Maybe you can investigate by walking along the river to find a hidden pipe pumping out. Did this river dried up in the past? It used to very low levels to dried up before to 1996 before they started pumping water.

Bertwhistle
16 August 2026 10:58:38
True story:

Several tiny droplets just fell from a cloudy sky,

It didn't stop the bee, the wasp, the beetle or the fly;

I couldn't see it reach the ground, no matter how I'd try.

I only knew its presence as a drop fell in my eye.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.

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scillydave
16 August 2026 16:16:28

True story:

Several tiny droplets just fell from a cloudy sky,

It didn't stop the bee, the wasp, the beetle or the fly;

I couldn't see it reach the ground, no matter how I'd try.

I only knew its presence as a drop fell in my eye.

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

Twinkle, twinkle little star 

How I wonder what you are.

Don't look up at the sky so high,

because a bird might poo in your eye!


Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

Jiries
16 August 2026 16:30:20

True story:

Several tiny droplets just fell from a cloudy sky,

It didn't stop the bee, the wasp, the beetle or the fly;

I couldn't see it reach the ground, no matter how I'd try.

I only knew its presence as a drop fell in my eye.

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

Speaking of bee or wasps I did not see any here this summer or flying past by.  Must be so dry they are either dead early as there no flowers or water to feed on.   I hope Beast will go investigate his local river to check why it not drying up or lower levels.

I never hear about Thames river dried up or being much lower, not even on the media showing low levels over London?  I was told that in 1976 it did dried up so not sure if true or not.

Retron
16 August 2026 16:36:52

Speaking of bee or wasps I did not see any here this summer or flying past by.  Must be so dry they are either dead early as there no flowers or water to feed on.   I hope Beast will go investigate his local river to check why it not drying up or lower levels.

I never hear about Thames river dried up or being much lower, not even on the media showing low levels over London?  I was told that in 1976 it did dried up so not sure if true or not.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

I've only seen a couple of wasps here this summer - they're rare these days, but plenty of bees... There's a bumblebee nest in my garden for (I think) the 5th year in a row. I've got a massive fuchsia bush that they seem to like (8ft high by maybe 10 feet long), and the dandelions that keep popping up are used by them too. There are also various other flying insects, ants and various birds (blackbirds, sparrows, starlings, magpies and pigeons)... 

There's not much wildlife up the road, though, as everyone else seems to have converted their gardens into a mix of plastic green carpet, paving slabs, gravel and car parking.

Amazingly for now Southern Water haven't imposed a hosepipe ban here... on the mainland it's South East Water and they not only have a ban, they're having another water cut, following on from one yesterday. Seems they can't treat water fast enough... groundwater levels in Kent/Sussex are a gnat's whisker below normal. 


Leysdown, north Kent
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16 August 2026 17:13:40

Speaking of bee or wasps I did not see any here this summer or flying past by.  Must be so dry they are either dead early as there no flowers or water to feed on.   I hope Beast will go investigate his local river to check why it not drying up or lower levels.

I never hear about Thames river dried up or being much lower, not even on the media showing low levels over London?  I was told that in 1976 it did dried up so not sure if true or not.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Water still seeping out of the limestone aquifer but the Thameshead source is currently dry (often happens) and its major upper tributary the Churn is definitely below normal range

https://www.gaugemap.co.uk/# !Map/Summary/758/772

By the time the Thames has reached Kingston it has collected enough from chalk and limestone aquifers to be low but still within normal range.

https://www.gaugemap.co.uk/# !Map/Summary/1249/1381

I'm sure I'd remember if it dried up in 1976.


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Jiries
16 August 2026 17:31:10

Water still seeping out of the limestone aquifer but the Thameshead source is currently dry (often happens) and its major upper tributary the Churn is definitely below normal range

https://www.gaugemap.co.uk/# !Map/Summary/758/772

By the time the Thames has reached Kingston it has collected enough from chalk and limestone aquifers to be low but still within normal range.

https://www.gaugemap.co.uk/# !Map/Summary/1249/1381

I'm sure I'd remember if it dried up in 1976.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Thanks Dew very good link and saved it, I went to look at Epsom and it have 2 of them one is Bourne hall lake where the pump start kept pumping water out and Hogmill river stable levels due to the water pump not stopping.  Bedworth near here almost dried up but not in Nuneaton normal levels.  Hogmill end at Thames as well in Kingston.

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16 August 2026 17:47:29
In spite of the drought I've seen plenty of bumbles in our garden.

I have read that they struggle in the heat, but they seem pretty active here.

They are particularly fond of the catmint, salvia and sunflowers.

I've seen very few wasps so far. May it stay that way. One of the few insects I have no time for.


Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

The Beast from the East
17 August 2026 00:58:44
ITS RAINING!  Didnt expect anything till Wednesday

Hardly touching the sides though, like the first pint.  

And now its stopped! 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Retron
17 August 2026 03:08:47
6.4mm of unexpected (but very welcome) rain here overnight! 
Leysdown, north Kent
bledur
17 August 2026 04:39:43

6.4mm of unexpected (but very welcome) rain here overnight! 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Lucky ,saw that area of showers pep up east of London.

Funny year as it has done that a few times with nothing further West.

NMA
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17 August 2026 06:58:27

In spite of the drought I've seen plenty of bumbles in our garden.

I have read that they struggle in the heat, but they seem pretty active here.

They are particularly fond of the catmint, salvia and sunflowers.

I've seen very few wasps so far. May it stay that way. One of the few insects I have no time for.

Originally Posted by: RobN 

Plenty of bumbles here too and wasps. I assume there is a local wasp nest nearby. But honey bees are rare this summer. The lamb's ear flowers are a favourite, and the bees work them for weeks. The fennel flowers by a path were covered in wasps for weeks too. Now the seeds are setting, that one is out.  It's wild marjoram I cut back after the first flowering, with another flowering that the bees and various white butterflies enjoy for the nectar. Someone told me a few years ago it's unnatural to do that, and I should just leave these plants as nature intended. No Chelsea chops in other words!

This year it's perhaps a lifesaver for these bees.


Vale of the Great Dairies

South Dorset

Elevation 60m 197ft

Charmhills
17 August 2026 08:03:49
Looks like some useful rain around tonight and into early tommorw moving SE'wards.

Showers becimg widespread from Thurdsay onwards, heavy and thundery to.


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17 August 2026 08:06:35

Looks like some useful rain around tonight and into early tommorw moving SE'wards.

Showers becimg widespread from Thurdsay onwards, heavy and thundery to.

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

I hope so!


Vale of the Great Dairies

South Dorset

Elevation 60m 197ft

bledur
17 August 2026 08:29:07

I hope so!

Originally Posted by: NMA 

Yes although Met Office say tonight,latest BBC weather Elizabeth Rizzini said many would have to wait till Tuesday night in the south.

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