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Rob K
31 December 2025 11:31:27
It's interesting how much variation there is across the GEFS even at short range. P15 brings the -16C isotherm into northern England on a northerly as soon as 84 hours!
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Hippydave
31 December 2025 11:33:13
Taking a vague look at whether it'll snow/sleet/rain IMBY on the 2nd:-

Arpege - Nope. Precip is from Wales down to around Southampton/Portsmouth way and is a wintry mix FWIW.

UKV - Nope. Precip is similar to Arpege but touch more extensive, more snowy and perhaps a touch further east towards Worthing.

ECM - Nope (I think, the 3 hour interval doesn't help) . Precip extent similar to Arpege/UKV, ECM has more rain than snow. 

GFS - Possibly. Precip is further east than the 3 models above albeit it's a snow/rain mix by the looks. The 3 hour interval masks it crossing MBY but would expect to see some flakes at least, even if accompanied by rain. 

GEM - Nope. Probably closest to UKV in area and extent but shows as all snow (usually GEM caveat about being biased towards always snow).

ICON - Nope. Similar to Arpege/UKV and showing a wintry mix. 

So all in all I won't be getting my hopes up as currently looks all too far west for me. Hopefully for those in the more likely corridor, it's more snow than rain/sleet and folks get a dusting at least. 

In terms of the GFS 6z ops take on the longer term it's mixed - relatively benign breakdown, a short mild and unsettled interlude followed by a briefish reload of the cold, in turn followed by a not overly warm zonal period with HP further east blocking LPs from making progress through Scandinavia. Could be better, could be worse but would probably bring a bit more snow to some at times and the second zonal/unsettled stuff involves chilly enough air that there could be some wintry stuff almost anywhere albeit settling snow unlikely away from higher ground further north. 


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Deep Powder
31 December 2025 11:48:18
Some great charts in the short term and lots of interest in the long term for colder weather:

72H

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=0&time=72&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref 

180H

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=0&time=180&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref 

If feels like the prelude to a decent cold spell out there today!


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Ally Pally Snowman
31 December 2025 12:54:29
AIFS 6z delays the warm up until the 10th. 
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GroundhogDay
31 December 2025 13:06:18
The latest GEFS appears to be falling more in line with their ECM counterparts. The 6z update shows the mild hump less prominent for us southerners, with some perts bucking the trend and remaining cold at 850 level. 

All very interesting to see when it feels like we're usually subjected to downgrades. Could the models again be struggling with blocking? 

* Image/evidence available on TWO, still haven't worked out how to paste them into posts. 


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doctormog
31 December 2025 13:18:56
Yes, and the ECM 06z run is also encouraging as far as it goes: https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU06_144_1.png 
squish
31 December 2025 13:41:46
JMA 06z equally positive in continuing the cold into next week. The trough disruption NW to SE now looks minimal, with blocking re-establishing to the west. Forecasters nightmare for precipitation and rain/snow early next week. Could be eventful.

(Made it to the Hebrides. Wonderful drive through the highlands yesterday. Picture postcard stuff...frozen lochs, Hoare frosts, sunshine and -4c at midday!)


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Hippydave
31 December 2025 13:49:16

The latest GEFS appears to be falling more in line with their ECM counterparts. The 6z update shows the mild hump less prominent for us southerners, with some perts bucking the trend and remaining cold at 850 level. 

All very interesting to see when it feels like we're usually subjected to downgrades. Could the models again be struggling with blocking? 

* Image/evidence available on TWO, still haven't worked out how to paste them into posts. 

Originally Posted by: GroundhogDay 

Must admit I thought the longer term on the 6z set was milder than the 00z set, particularly period 9-12th Jan. Deep FI looks broadly the same.

6z:

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00z:-

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And on the image front, for TWO charts at least, it's right click on the image, copy image link and then paste that in to the link on the insert an image option when you're posting. You can use the preview option to check it's working, saves any random posting of nonsense (which is a handy feature from experience 😂)


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GroundhogDay
31 December 2025 14:49:13
Replying to HippyDave recent post. Couldn't quote as it was being seen as SPAM 😕 

Thanks very much for your help Dave, I'll give it a go. 👍

So far as the GEFS is concerned, I'm most intrigued right now by the gradual flattening of the midterm mild hump. That's really as far as I'm looking,  though I agree with your analysis regarding the midterm/long-term. 

I'd just like to also thank yourself and some of the other levelheaded southern contingent for your recent input. It can't be easy offering up insights when it's so bloody difficult to get cold into the southeast, let alone snow!*

* I live in the relative snow desert that is North Northants, so I share your pain! 


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Jiries
31 December 2025 14:56:44
https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=48656&model=gfs&var=201&run=6&lid=ENS&bw=1 

Quite a turnaround for here with not going above -4C while yesterday was 0C.  Staying cold and unsettled with 2 days dry severe frosts over the weekend after the snow spike on Friday, likely Cheshire Gap.  Need a decent snow cover on Friday to allow very low overnight temps at the weekend.

squish
31 December 2025 15:19:15
Liking the 12z +120  ICON 


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doctormog
31 December 2025 16:02:33

Liking the 12z +120  ICON 

Originally Posted by: squish 

The UKMO 12z also delays any breakdown of the cold to beyond +144 (as far as it goes so far).


The Beast from the East
31 December 2025 16:08:02
GFS also in improvement, but perhaps lets not look beyond 168
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Brian Gaze
31 December 2025 16:24:35
Looks interesting.

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31 December 2025 16:49:23
The 12z UKMO 168 is a real peach of a chart today compared to the 0z version - upgrading in the medium term.

Saint Snow
31 December 2025 17:00:01

Looks interesting.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

'messy' and 'chilly'


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Jiries
31 December 2025 17:03:14

The 12z UKMO 168 is a real peach of a chart today compared to the 0z version - upgrading in the medium term.

Originally Posted by: Man For All Seasons 

In the past ECM used to be a party pooper and always destroyed past cold spells attempts when all other models was showing. This time opposite as now other models are following ECM direction.  Need this to be full house if ECM 12z to carry on showing the very unsettled deep cold spell in a right timing of the year.

Rob K
31 December 2025 17:05:31
GFS 12Z shows a decent snowfall across the south (and only 336 hours out!)

Definitely a trend towards messy troughs disrupting and meandering across the UK in the second week of Jan.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Brian Gaze
31 December 2025 17:08:00
Happy days for cold weather fans. Some of the model runs today have tilted towards the possibility of a very snowy period of weather. 

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scillydave
31 December 2025 17:16:28

Happy days for cold weather fans. Some of the model runs today have tilted towards the possibility of a very snowy period of weather. 

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

That's the first nail in the coffin for any snow Brian - you only need the polar bears of doom to seal the deal!


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CField
31 December 2025 17:38:52

GFS 12Z shows a decent snowfall across the south (and only 336 hours out!)

Definitely a trend towards messy troughs disrupting and meandering across the UK in the second week of Jan.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Could get a Jan  1987 set up eventually  from this type of  instability..that came  up at short notice  ...


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jhall
31 December 2025 17:57:11
The GFS Control run is on quite a roller coaster: 850mb temperature for London of +5C around the 8th-9th, and then down to -13C just three or four days later!
Cranleigh, Surrey
doctormog
31 December 2025 18:05:41
The UKV is not backing down from its silly snow depths here. https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/ukv/15_108_snow_depth.png 
Retron
31 December 2025 18:27:12
Worthy of a mention - not very often you get a high of just 2C with -7 dewpoints from a SW'ly down here! From the 12z GFS, via xc:

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/sw.jpg 

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Snow Hoper
31 December 2025 18:35:53
Is a Channel low setting up on the ECM 168?

Nope!


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