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speckledjim
23 November 2025 08:17:23

Have you notice daffodils shoot already appear extremely early this Autumn month? Never seen this so early due to recent mild weather. 

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

I've wondered about this for a couple of years now and thought that perhaps we have so many different varieties that some are designed to appear earlier?


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Roger Parsons
23 November 2025 08:34:34

I've wondered about this for a couple of years now and thought that perhaps we have so many different varieties that some are designed to appear earlier?

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

I'll take this opportunity to rage about daffodils. Most now are not native species, but garden varieties that have escaped into the wild or deliberately planted. Instead of "my heart with pleasure fills" my reaction is "my bloody bile rises"! The RHS writes:

"Apart from the Tenby Daffodil (Narcissus obvallaris) and the Lent Lily (Narcissus pseudonarcissus), which are thought to be native to the British Isles, daffodils actually come primarily from the Iberian Peninsula – Spain, Portugal and Morocco. The flower has been cultivated for thousands of years, often for medicinal rather than ornamental use and been spread worldwide by humans. The Romans are known to have planted daffodils in memory of loved ones or comrades fallen in battle, and are thought to have introduced them into Britain."

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RHS - Daffodils in the UK

https://www.rhs.org.uk/garden-inspiration/plants-we-love/daffodils-in-the-uk 


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

Jiries
23 November 2025 20:20:12

I've wondered about this for a couple of years now and thought that perhaps we have so many different varieties that some are designed to appear earlier?

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

Might be and I remember seeing them flowering in Nicosia in January or Feb as their temperatures are same in here during late March to April values.  It seem in the future it mght flower here during Jan and Feb.   The one I have is regular yellow ones.

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23 November 2025 22:05:27

I've wondered about this for a couple of years now and thought that perhaps we have so many different varieties that some are designed to appear earlier?

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

The most reliable early daffodil is Rijnveld's Early Sensation - a standard size daffodil, not miniatures like Tete a Tete which often flower in February

In milder winters, or in particularly sheltered gardens, this trumpet daffodil can be in bloom in late December or early January, so if you want an early start to the season, then this is by far the best one to choose. It flowers a good few weeks earlier than many of the other big trumpet types, often producing blooms before the foliage has had a chance to reach its full height.

https://www.crocus.co.uk/plants/_/narcissus-rijnvelds-early-sensation/classid.2000017401/ 

But in sheltered Chichester we had daffodils in flower at Christmas 2015, and I don't think those were specially bred varieties

PS I fully support Roger's diatribe against mass planting of cultivated varieties, such planting will swamp the DNA of native daffodils. Not a new problem -this from 2003

https://www.herefordtimes.com/news/5671629.daffodils-in-danger/ 


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Jiries
24 November 2025 06:16:38

They started to appear in early October here - I swear they're getting earlier every year. 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Eventually it will be like in Nicosia that flower in January as their average is was old 15 now 17 to 18 so here might be following this way and become permanent flowering every January as our average continue to rise to low 10s compared to old 6 average before. 

Roger Parsons
24 November 2025 06:28:31

PS I fully support Roger's diatribe against mass planting of cultivated varieties, such planting will swamp the DNA of native daffodils. Not a new problem -this from 2003

https://www.herefordtimes.com/news/5671629.daffodils-in-danger/ 

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Lao Tzu captured the point elegantly.

"Do you think you can take over the universe and improve it? I do not believe it can be done." 


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

NMA
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24 November 2025 08:14:25
I read this on the phone last night night and rather than boil my blood before bed I decided to compose my response this morning on the PC. Indeed one of my pet peeves is seeing King Alfred (especially) on roadside verges in the middle of nowhere or in the middle of a wood (sometimes an SSSI). But more often than not these cultivars clump up and stop blooming due to congestion.

Why oh oh why oh why ad infinitum do those ignorant folks plant them in these places? The first nooky nook, perhaps? In memoriam of Fred or whoever? Many more possible reasons. But misplaced IMO. Why not for the first, a wild Eglantine rose with its delicious apple fragrance and hints of Aphrodite.

I’m sometimes tempted to take a spray bottle of Roundup and dose hybrid daffs up, before or just after flowering but that runs two risks, being seen or dosing myself with a noxious cocktail. 

And lastly Lao Tzu. Well yes to a point and he was mortal too. When I was in the garden business, I called my horticultural methods the Garden of Eden Approach. But Perfection is impossible for us mortal souls though I believe you have to try. Even places like Sissinghurst or Mottisfont have their imperfectness but they get pretty close to Enlightenment at times. I still approach my current garden in this way.

My first Paper Whites (early daffs) are now past their best. The next batch will have water at the end of the month to get them going in the living room. 

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Roger Parsons
24 November 2025 08:38:36
Good post. I have lots of friends who take delight in their gardens but also relish their local wild areas, their value and importance. But some some folks just don't get it. Mind you, a spread of snowdrops takes some beating, I'll have to admit. I could have a little rant about plant collecting and translocation being a beautiful but flawed spin-off from some of our worse colonial antics, but perhaps another day. 🤐

"Snowdrops are not native to the UK, although exactly when they were introduced is unclear. It’s thought they may have been grown as an ornamental garden plant as early as the 16th century, but were not recorded in the wild until the late 18th century. The snowdrop’s native range is mainland Europe."

https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/trees-woods-and-wildlife/plants/wild-flowers/snowdrop/ 


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

NMA
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24 November 2025 09:51:32
Reminds me of the writer Bernard Cornwell and his snowdrops in the Last Kingdom Series.

I had a bit of a run in this year with a 'wild garden' though I won't say where. I suggested several native species but the idea was turned down. "They might have once grown there but if there are none in the area today so you can't plant them". A bit of a fall out over that and we parted company. 

Edit. The site was heavily industrialised in the 18th/19th centuries but it was still a non starter for me. 


Vale of the Great Dairies

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24 November 2025 10:13:48
Ah the introduction of Breadfruit as slave food is one I’m aware of. You introduced me to Sir Joseph Banks and that one Roger. 

And that’s not even delving into the introduction of pests and diseases. The ‘theft’ of pineapples, avocado and many more from South America to the Philippines and so on. And then the ‘stealing’ by Israel of ‘native’ sic avocados from the Philippines to Israel. That was an interesting discussion (not me, I just learnt and listened) at a high level conference in Manila. I just looked up Francois and Helena Oulmont. Francois brought the conference to a boil which was as it should be. I have to thank him for those lessons in plant introductions forgotten by the locals. I’ll have to email them and catch up. Thanks Roger and all of you with this thread.

https://rosessences.fr/ 


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johncs2016
01 December 2025 11:14:09
Given below are the final autumn statistics for Edinburgh Gogarbank from all of the data which I have available which are:

Temperature (°C)

Lowest Minimum:                                                                            -5.88 (on 20/11/25)

Highest Minimum:                                                                           15.42 (on 6/9/25)

Mean Minimum:                                                                                6.67

Minimum Anomaly:                                                                         +0.17

Lowest Maximum:                                                                            3.30 (on 19/11/25)

Highest Maximum:                                                                           22.51 (on 7/9/25)

Mean Maximum:                                                                                13.84

Maximum Anomaly:                                                                         +0.65

Lowest Average:                                                                                 -0.50 (on 20/11/25)

Highest Average:                                                                                18.04 (on 6/9/25)

Average Temperature:                                                                     10.25

Average Anomaly:                                                                              +0.40

Lowest Diurnal Temperature Range:                                         1.89 (on 13/11/25)

Highest Diurnal Temperature Range:                                        15.02 (on 21/9/25)

Average Diurnal Temperature Range:                                        7.05

Other Temperature Statistics

Minimum Temperatures Below -10°C:                                      0

Single Figures Maximum Temperatures:                                 18

Single Figures Minimum Temperatures:                                  61

Double Figures Maximum Temperatures:                               70

Double Figures Minimum Temperatures:                                23

Maximum Temperatures Above 20°C:                                       3

Number of Frosts

Ground Frosts:                                                                                     17

Air Frosts:                                                                                                7 (87.5% of 1991-2020 autumn average)

Ice Days:                                                                                                   0

Snow Depths (cm)

Highest Snow Depth:                                                                          0.0

Days With Lying Snow:                                                                       0

Days With Lying Snow at 09:00 UTC:                                            0

Rainfall (mm)

Total for autumn:                                                                                     233.8 (110.6% of 1991-2020 autumn average)

Wettest Day:                                                                                               29.6 (on 12/11/25)

Highest Hourly Total:                                                                              7.4 (on 13/11/25 at 05:00)

Highest Ten Minute Total:                                                                     1.6 (on 13/9/25 at 15:30)

Rain Days:                                                                                                    44 (120.9% of 1991-2020 autumn average)

Dry Days:                                                                                                       38

Longest Dry Spell                                                                                       6 days (21/9 to 26/9)

Longest Non-Dry Spell                                                                             7 days (10/9 to 16/9)

Most Consecutive Rain Days                                                                  5 days (12/9 to 16/9, 1/11 to 5/11)

Longest Period Without a Rain Day:                                                   14 days (4/10 to 17/10)

Month with lowest rainfall total:                                                          September 2025: 46.2 (83.7% of 1991-2020 September average)

Month with highest rainfall total:                                                         November 2025: 134.0 (181.9% of 1991-2020 November average)

Month with fewest rain days:                                                                 September 2025: 12 (113.9% of 1991-2020 September average)

Month with most rain days:                                                                    November 2025: 20 (155.5% of 1991-2020 November average)

Wind Speed (mph)

Average Mean Wind Speed:                                                                     8.8 (97.3% of 1991-2020 autumn average)

Highest Mean Wind Speed:                                                                      37.4 (on 3/10/25)

Highest Wind Gust:                                                                                      63.8 (on 3/10/25)

Most Common Wind Direction                                                               SW

Pressure (mb)

Lowest Pressure:                                                                                            973.1 (on 3/10/25)

Average Pressure:                                                                                          1008.5

Highest Pressure:                                                                                           1034.2 (on 11/10/25)

Sunshine Total (hrs)

Total for autumn:                                                                                           265.2 (92.6% of 1991-2020 autumn average)

Sunniest Day:                                                                                                   10.0 (on 25/9/25)

Sunless Days:                                                                                                    17

Most Consecutive Sunless Days:                                                               3 days (17/10 to 19/10)

Month with lowest sunshine total: November 2025:                       58.7 (87.7% of 1991-2020 November average)

Month with highest sunshine total: September 2025:                    138.5 (110.4% of 1991-2020 September average)

Month with fewest sunless days: September 2025:                         1

Month with most sunless days: October 2025:                                  8

Conclusion

The autumn of 2025 was slightly warmer than average overall with a below average number of air frosts.

It was also a wetter than average month both in terms of the actual rainfall amounts and in terms of the number of official rain days despite the fact that November 2025 was the autumn's only wetter than average month.

Finally, the autumn of 2025 started off on a sunny note with a sunnier than average September which carried on the pattern of the rest of the year up until that point. However, we then had an exceptionally dull October followed by a duller than average November and this meant that the autumn as a whole was duller than average in the end with September being its only sunnier than average month.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

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