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westv
28 June 2025 10:29:09

Yes, that matches my memory. But has the longevity of the '76 spell ever been matched? I seemed to remember it running from May till the end of August when I managed to go on holiday after having moved house and it rained! Although this is surely the longest pretty dry spell given the high temperatures and amount of sunshine for the period March/April to end of June?

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

I remember it chucking it down either at the end of the 75 summer or 76.

Wasn't 75 when it abdolutely poured down in Hamstead, London? 


Big heat in May

Summer will be spray.

Chunky Pea
28 June 2025 10:33:00

The 6Z run has the heaviest rain missing the southeast though. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

I wouldn't bank on that. The forecast uppers suggest a very volatile set up. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Bertwhistle
28 June 2025 11:09:10

Yes GFS keeps the heat in the SE until Thursday this morning.  I'm not convinced.  It then brings back the heat again later on. It's been pretty consistent with this. AIFS again doesn't have the heat returning and is poor after Wednesday for most of its run.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

There are some day on day differences too. Some days ago GFS suggested (briefly; maybe 1 or 2 runs only) that in my location the heat would be swept through early on Monday, giving just Sunday as really hot. It then switched back to Monday as last day. Over the past few days Tuesday is included and now most members on the 6z ENS seem to have heat through until Wednesday. It's all going to depend how far east and how quickly that low in the plume moves; on Thursday the heat is still there to the east. Nothing would surprise me.


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Nick Gilly
28 June 2025 11:34:22

There was a run of 14 consecutive days in late June/early July 1976 where somewhere in the UK recorded maxes of 32C or higher. AFAIK this has never been exceeded...

...yet.

speckledjim
28 June 2025 12:30:50

C'mon now you know that this is more than 'a short heatwave'. Why try to minimise something that is the symptom of a human caused effect that will be having a huge effect on agriculture this year and in the future?

We all need to wise up to what is happening and how to sort it.

Originally Posted by: Devonian 

Rain last year and drought this year. The vagaries of the British climate and being a small island surrounded by water. Feel sorry for the farmers as we don't seem to do average anymore


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Saint Snow
28 June 2025 13:02:52

Just looking through the entirety of both GFS and AIFS latest runs, the general theme develops of the AH settings up a little further north, sometimes ridging toward/over the UK from the west; sometimes receding westwards as low pressure attacks from the N/NW. 

Temps a little above ave when the high's well over the UK, a cooler flow from the NW (even N) at other times.


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bledur
28 June 2025 13:32:16

C'mon now you know that this is more than 'a short heatwave'. Why try to minimise something that is the symptom of a human caused effect that will be having a huge effect on agriculture this year and in the future?

We all need to wise up to what is happening and how to sort it.

Originally Posted by: Devonian 

Short Heatwave in the sense of heatwave criteria being met which atm is only 3 days here and less with you. 

bledur
28 June 2025 13:34:40

There was a run of 14 consecutive days in late June/early July 1976 where somewhere in the UK recorded maxes of 32C or higher. AFAIK this has never been exceeded...

...yet.

Originally Posted by: Nick Gilly 

I think that is right and as a stand alone heatwave plus long drought it is still exceptional.

bledur
28 June 2025 13:38:04

I remember it chucking it down either at the end of the 75 summer or 76.

Wasn't 75 when it abdolutely poured down in Hamstead, London? 

Originally Posted by: westv 

Weather broke in 76 around the August Bank holiday just after the Minister for Drought Denis Howell was announced.😄

The Hampstead Storm was in 75 and there is a good account in a book by Richard Mabey called Cold Comforts

Devonian
28 June 2025 16:22:45

Pretty much nailed on for an exceptionally wet Thursday from GFS. This is several consecutive runs showing an absolute deluge. Can't see it being wrong. The trend is clear.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

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DEW
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28 June 2025 16:27:29

Wasn't it 75 when it abdolutely poured down in Hampstead, London? 

Originally Posted by: westv 

Yes, but very local. We were driving back from XChannel ferry to Finchley that evening, no suspicion of a storm until Regents Park, and in Finchley it had just been heavy rain, maybe 50mm. Hampstead IIRC had 300mm


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Ally Pally Snowman
28 June 2025 17:49:20

Another roasting GFS 12z run. A couple of unsettled days then goes scorchio again. AIFS  even brings in HP later on , it's best run in a while.

6th to the 10th look unsettled though 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
28 June 2025 18:02:27

Pretty much nailed on for an exceptionally wet Thursday from GFS. This is several consecutive runs showing an absolute deluge. Can't see it being wrong. The trend is clear.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

You mean that was forecast for the whole of June? Are you going to then claim victory? We can all see what's actually going on.


Berkshire
bledur
28 June 2025 18:03:23

Yes, but very local. We were driving back from XChannel ferry to Finchley that evening, no suspicion of a storm until Regents Park, and in Finchley it had just been heavy rain, maybe 50mm. Hampstead IIRC had 300mm

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Yes apparently 6.72 inches of rain fell in a strip4 miles long by 2 miles wide, Hampstead being the centre

Heavy Weather 2013
28 June 2025 18:05:31

So much to resolve 02-04 July. I wouldn’t bet against it remaining hot until the end of the week. Also, any unsettled spell looks shortlived. GFS sets up more heat towards mid July. Crazy.


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Brian Gaze
28 June 2025 19:57:25

There are wobbling around, but they certainly don't suggest "summer is over" to me. 

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28 June 2025 21:14:47

Classic nw/se split. Autumn to the nw, high summer heat to se

No sign of it ending.

Never seen the grass go white so early in summer.


Berkshire
Crepuscular Ray
28 June 2025 23:14:42

Classic nw/se split. Autumn to the nw, high summer heat to se

No sign of it ending.

Never seen the grass go white so early in summer.

Originally Posted by: The Dub Version 

Standing water on thick green grass here in Ambleside! 


Jerry

Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill

The Beast from the East
29 June 2025 00:29:37

Standing water on thick green grass here in Ambleside! 

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 

Like you are in a totally different climate zone up there!  But I envy you,  this heat is unpleasant especially at night without aircon.  

the pub run keeps the heavy rain away from the SE corner again as the heat dome holds on.  Then a fresher period before the Azores high pushes back in again. 

Its going to be a sweaty week down south! 


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moomin75
29 June 2025 06:03:38
All the 0z's so far are now showing a significant pattern change for July. All are looking changeable now, relatively cool and rain or showers likely to be around for much of the time. Thursday's deluge remains highly likely too.
Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Ally Pally Snowman
29 June 2025 06:09:54

It's been well forecast the unsettled spell starting about 6th. GFS finally drops its quick return of heat. It really is second rate Op now compared to ECM and AIFS.  Long range models have HP returning 14th . We'll see.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
moomin75
29 June 2025 06:38:05

It's been well forecast the unsettled spell starting about 6th. GFS finally drops its quick return of heat. It really is second rate Op now compared to ECM and AIFS.  Long range models have HP returning 14th . We'll see.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

ECM 0z joins the rest unfortunately. 

I feel we've seen the best this summer had to offer and July shaping up to be cooler and unsettled for much of the time.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Matty H
29 June 2025 06:54:39

ECM 0z joins the rest unfortunately. 

I feel we've seen the best this summer had to offer and July shaping up to be cooler and unsettled for much of the time.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

It’s just trolling now

Im wasting my time as its deliberate, not lack of understanding, but here goes anyway - you’ve spent the last month writing off June, been wrong every single time, and now you’re doing the same with July. Everyone, including you, knows that to call anything one way or the other for an entire month is just plain stupid. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
29 June 2025 07:07:27

ECM 0z joins the rest unfortunately. 

I feel we've seen the best this summer had to offer and July shaping up to be cooler and unsettled for much of the time.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Cooler unsettled between 6th and 10th is all I'd say atm.  Long rangers suggest heat could return 2nd half of July. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
moomin75
29 June 2025 07:13:36

It’s just trolling now

Im wasting my time as its deliberate, not lack of understanding, but here goes anyway - you’ve spent the last month writing off June, been wrong every single time, and now you’re doing the same with July. Everyone, including you, knows that to call anything one way or the other for an entire month is just plain stupid. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Its absolutely not trolling. I waited for all the major models to roll out their 0z's and looked at the trend on all of them, which is exactly what YOU said to do.

The trend is very clear. The first week to 10 days of July will be nothing like June. 

Yes, I've been wrong about June largely, but there was never a stage when all the major models were largely in agreement.

Now, they are, and surely that can't be wrong for at least a week.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

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