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BJBlake
15 February 2025 00:46:47
As to the GFS 0z pub run, do check out P15 and P4, which are Q specials, and as to P15, remember 1991? Classic!! I can hear the echoes of Ian McCasgyll on his snow and more snow forecast ringing in my ears.  
Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
fairweather
15 February 2025 01:12:40

Yes we might see temperatures as low as 2C in London!

https://modeles16.meteociel.fr/modeles/gensp/runs/2025021406/graphe6_10000___-0.12574_51.5085_Londres.gif 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

It was only 3C yesterday and that was in the Strand where I was!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
15 February 2025 01:15:40

Well the 'brutal' cold for SE Europe doesn't look that brutal to me. We have -15 to -20c uppers modelled however looking at the automated forecasts for various locations in E/SE Europe it doesn't appear as though it will translate into particularly cold surface temperatures. For example Warsaw is looking at daytime temperatures of around 0 to +4c, Vienna 2 or 3c, even Moscow has only got around -5c which is about average there for the time of year.

North America on the other hand is a completely different story with properly brutal cold temperatures forecast, Chicago and Kansas looking at -20 or -25c mins.

This seems to be another common feature of recent Winters is that North America can quite easily still get very severe cold spells whereas it has been very rare in Europe in recent years let alone the UK. The last properly cold winter for Europe must be as far back as 2012 now?

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

Unfortunately 50% of the Yanks can't get their heads round it because somebody stupidly called it "global warming" so they don't get "climate change"!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
15 February 2025 01:20:29

It does seem harder - and it probably is (Due to climate change): It seems pretty hard to get snow cover across the EU countries - but for us, bathed in warm seas...its a massive challenge below 1000 ft above sea level. That is what is so annoying About this last coldIsh spell, as the GFS pub run is now showing (as with the ECM), - 10 850 Hpa uppers within a ‘nats’ of the Suffolk and norfolk coast line, but that coastline seems like a force field - repelling all true cold and snow from our lowlands.  Its a long cry from my childhood Atlas’s of the British Isles by the Regis Digest (remember that?), that showed us within the average of 10 mornings with snow lying band. Average. I haven’t seen 10 mornings with snow lying since 2010, in fact probably all the way back to 1991. And the rate of change is most assuredly speeding up.

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

Yes, my geography book in the 60's showed East Anglia as the snowiest part of England (possibly as well as the N.E) but I'm sure Norwich was stated as the snowiest City. 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
15 February 2025 01:23:26

That is so depressing: and frankly it is so much the worse for the deliberate campaign of misinformation by Exon mobile and others, that delayed action on climate change for 20 years. the technology was there 20 years ago, (As per the BBC TV production “The Trick,” but the corruption of money and power has sold our souls to the devil and I gather he rather likes fires and heat.!! LOL 

I cannot now see any Global cooperation or focus on averting catastrophe - other than lip service, (All the nationalism in the face of insurmountable problems like turkeys voting for Christmas) and how sad and silly, how pathetic it is that only catastrophe will seemingly offer any potential to galvanise action, if indeed then it is not too late.

How I miss the silent stillness and peace of a rural scene under snow cover, as the frost sets in, with just the blackbird and wren’s roosting calls to break the silence, and the crunch of my wellies on the snow. I miss the cleanliness of the Arctic air - the colours and the sparkles. The model watching felt like Christmas was coming - the anticipation and the reality - watching the lamplight, mesmerising flakes dancing to the lights. Yeah - drill baby drill. 

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

Extremely well put yet there are still certain politicians, as you say, saying "drill, baby drill". Maybe we need a near mass extinction to sort it out.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
The Beast from the East
15 February 2025 01:26:42

As to the GFS 0z pub run, do check out P15 and P4, which are Q specials, and as to P15, remember 1991? Classic!! I can hear the echoes of Ian McCasgyll on his snow and more snow forecast ringing in my ears.  

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

the block to the east is showing signs of returning, though it is a long shot. some runs do keep that cold SE feed going all week


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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15 February 2025 08:03:54
WX temps continue to show freezing weather retreating well back into Russia over the next two weeks, without the bcakup of any really cold weather there as shown yesterday, while W Europe rises to a above norm. Europe mostly dry but rain coming and going in the far W - Ireland both weeks, add Portugal second week

GFS Op - weather through to Wed dominated by LP staying W of Ireland - once today's cold weather is shunted off to the north, a nong period of SW-lies (LP a bit close that yesterday so more chance of fronts moving N across Britain esp in the W (SW=lies particularly strong 20th and 24th. From Wed 26th winds go round W-ly and alternating ridges and troughs cross Britain. 

ECM - similar to GFS though from Sun 23rd the LP is a bit further off and Britain more affected by HP from the S.

GEFS - becoming mild around Fri 21st with most of any rain around this date in the S, spread over a longer period in Scotland, before temps drop back to norm. 


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David M Porter
15 February 2025 10:07:25

It does seem harder - and it probably is (Due to climate change): It seems pretty hard to get snow cover across the EU countries - but for us, bathed in warm seas...its a massive challenge below 1000 ft above sea level. That is what is so annoying About this last coldIsh spell, as the GFS pub run is now showing (as with the ECM), - 10 850 Hpa uppers within a ‘nats’ of the Suffolk and norfolk coast line, but that coastline seems like a force field - repelling all true cold and snow from our lowlands.  Its a long cry from my childhood Atlas’s of the British Isles by the Regis Digest (remember that?), that showed us within the average of 10 mornings with snow lying band. Average. I haven’t seen 10 mornings with snow lying since 2010, in fact probably all the way back to 1991. And the rate of change is most assuredly speeding up.

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

One observation I would make about this winter is that, Storm Eowyn on 24th January plus a couple of storms that affected more southern areas late last year aside, this winter seems to have been pretty quiet for the most part and the atlantic does not seem to have been especially active compared to a lot of recent winters. February thus far has been somewhat colder than what the model runs plus the MetO's thoughts from late January seemed to suggest, plus January's overall temperature came out as slightly below average in contrast to most recent Januarys.

I think the problem there has been this winter is that what blocking there has been has often not been in a position that has been favourable for widespread notable cold. There was a pretty cold spell for about 10 days after New Year where we had lying frost every day that week and temperatures struggled to get much above freezing, if at all. The current spell has been cold but not especially, and I think that has largely been to do with so much cloud cover preventing nightime temperatures from falling too low.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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idj20
15 February 2025 12:09:18
The zonal-looking output post-240 hrs in the 06z GFS run can go into the bin. 🤣🤣 But the sad thing that is it the most likely and easiest option come the moment. 
Home location: Folkestone Harbour.
DPower
15 February 2025 13:16:59

2018 was special as it had both record cold 850s and record low thicknesses for the time of year. It was a complete one-off and I doubt you'll ever see the likes again.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

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I think it would be a fair assumption that had this warming verified ( noting the position of the vortex so close to the UK) then we could have been looking at 850's lower than the infamous easterly of Jan 87, and colder than the 2018 beast. Alas it was not to be, but I am sure it will happen again.

BJBlake
15 February 2025 16:02:23
Well hats off to Quantum. Heavy snow falling now - totally unforecast by the BBC etc.
Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
David M Porter
15 February 2025 17:42:11

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I think it would be a fair assumption that had this warming verified ( noting the position of the vortex so close to the UK) then we could have been looking at 850's lower than the infamous easterly of Jan 87, and colder than the 2018 beast. Alas it was not to be, but I am sure it will happen again.

Originally Posted by: DPower 

One question which has often come into my mind since 2018 is would the Beast event at the end of that February have happened at all had it not been for the huge SSW that took place around the middle of that month, if I recall correctly. It may well have, but my memory of discussions that took place here at that time is that it was given a major shot in the arm by the SSW.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Jiries
15 February 2025 22:18:58
https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=28552&model=gfs&var=201&run=12&lid=ENS&bw=1 

Amazing how it stay firm cold and no downgrade, backtracks, push backs or cancelled like here but at least here going to be nicer and finally leaving this nasty less cold easterly very soon.  Just wish London/Nuneaton emsembles were like Nicosia by showing down to -10 to -15C for nearly a week.  

The Beast from the East
16 February 2025 01:58:57

One question which has often come into my mind since 2018 is would the Beast event at the end of that February have happened at all had it not been for the huge SSW that took place around the middle of that month, if I recall correctly. It may well have, but my memory of discussions that took place here at that time is that it was given a major shot in the arm by the SSW.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

I defer to the experts, but I dont think it would have reached us without the SSW. We might have had a similar situation as we see now with the cold air going south instead of west 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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16 February 2025 07:29:18
WX temp chart as yesterday , week 1 W Europe above norm and E Europe below, then un week 2 the freezing air retreats into Russia and not really cold even there - Turkey the coldest area. PPtn charts also similar to yesterday, dry for most of Europe, rain mostly in the far W (W Britain, N Spain)

GFS Op - cold air reluctant to leave the east coast but by midweek milder air from the S under the direction of a mid-Atlantic LP for all, perhaps preceded by snow on highest ground. The LP continues to Tue 25th, mild and even warm in the SE, more unsettled and cooler in the NW, windy from the SW esp Fri 21st. Trough anchored tto the N crosses Britain Wed 26th, after that winds go round more W-ly with the usual zonal pattern of alternating troughs and ridges.

ECM - similar to GFS but Atlantic LP closer to Britain so the unsettled weather reaching into NW England as well as Scotland. The trough arrives Tue 25th rather than Wed 26th. Neither models show  fronts which are likely to be embedded in the SW-lies.

GEFS - in SE very mild around Fri 21st, back to norm Fri 28th after which ens agreement breaks up with wide divergence. Small amounts of rain from the 21st onwards. In the NW, similar temp pattern but rain from Wed 18th and rather heavier. Rain also heavy in SW from 21st.


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Chichester 12m asl

nsrobins
16 February 2025 09:04:01

As to the GFS 0z pub run, do check out P15 and P4, which are Q specials, and as to P15, remember 1991? Classic!! I can hear the echoes of Ian McCasgyll on his snow and more snow forecast ringing in my ears.  

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

Just for old times sake 😎

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16 February 2025 10:07:49
The thing that strikes me most about the old forecast from Ian McCaskill is that he starts by reporting on the record-breaking high temperatures in the NE USA. There was a brief discussion in the MO thread a week or two ago about what possible relationship there might be between temps in the USA and in the UK in view of the recent severe cold in the USA. This old forecast provides at the very least one piece of evidence that for a cold spell on this side of the Atlantic we need unusually high temperatures in the US.   
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The Beast from the East
16 February 2025 10:25:08

IJust for old times sake 😎

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Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

I feel very sad watching that. We will never see the likes of it again. Yes, I know Feb 2018 but that was a freak event caused by the record SSW and it didnt last very long and produced only a small amount of snow.  Feb 2009 had a lot of snow but it was not very cold and there was constant melting at low levels.  The snow we had in the old days felt different.  No drip drip drip


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Matty H
16 February 2025 10:36:29

I feel very sad watching that. We will never see the likes of it again. Yes, I know Feb 2018 but that was a freak event caused by the record SSW and it didnt last very long and produced only a small amount of snow.  Feb 2009 had a lot of snow but it was not very cold and there was constant melting at low levels.  The snow we had in the old days felt different.  No drip drip drip

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Small amount of snow? We had a level couple of feet from 2018 and much deeper than that in the drifts that went up to the ground floor house windows. Only 2010 rivalled in the new Millenium 


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idj20
16 February 2025 11:42:06

Small amount of snow? We had a level couple of feet from 2018 and much deeper than that in the drifts that went up to the ground floor house windows. Only 2010 rivalled in the new Millenium 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

That late Feb 2018 "Beast From The East" completely bypassed Folkestone and after a icy morning with freezing rain it turned out quite Spring-like sunny in the afternoon, it was the single most frustrating weather event I've ever experienced.

This satellite image on the 28th Feb '18 shows the stark contrast in snow cover across Kent . . . 

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Anyway, back to about the models. Looking forward to the milder temperatures but sadly likely to come with a trade off in the form of typically damp and breezy conditions, however it should feel positively balmy in any sunny breaks we do get to have compared to today.


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Retron
16 February 2025 11:51:55

I feel very sad watching that. We will never see the likes of it again. Yes, I know Feb 2018 but that was a freak event caused by the record SSW and it didnt last very long and produced only a small amount of snow.  Feb 2009 had a lot of snow but it was not very cold and there was constant melting at low levels.  The snow we had in the old days felt different.  No drip drip drip

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

The daytime high of -4 for London really stands out - even the most outlandish GEFS outliers don't get close to it these days, a -1 or -2 is about as good as you'll ever see. 2018 was the last time it happened, and that took record-breaking cold for the time of year. Dewpoints were in the -10 range, which means no drip--drip--drip.

The other interesting thing is seeing just how hard it is to get subzero dewpoints here on the coast by day. We currently have one (-0.3 as I'm writing this), as the result of a traditional easterly - but of course the deep cold air is nowhere to be found, we're relying on importing that shallow dry/cold layer from the nearby Continent. Even so, the GFS confidently has a -2 dewpoint right now, MetO has -1.2 and ECM has -1.4... all of them have overdone the dryness of the air.


Leysdown, north Kent
squish
16 February 2025 15:33:44
I notice quite a dip in 850s as we end the month ? 
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Jim-55
16 February 2025 15:55:30

Small amount of snow? We had a level couple of feet from 2018 and much deeper than that in the drifts that went up to the ground floor house windows. Only 2010 rivalled in the new Millenium 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

You're correct there Matty, I walked to work in thigh deep snow, (500yrds) my shift manager on the other hand got stuck in his Land Rover three miles out from Radstock and decided to walk the last three miles, only a handful made it in so they tried not to pay everyone else, they failed just because the snow was so bad and the manager was a total idiot.


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Saint Snow
16 February 2025 18:55:02

How I miss the silent stillness and peace of a rural scene under snow cover, as the frost sets in, with just the blackbird and wren’s roosting calls to break the silence, and the crunch of my wellies on the snow. I miss the cleanliness of the Arctic air - the colours and the sparkles. The model watching felt like Christmas was coming - the anticipation and the reality - watching the lamplight, mesmerising flakes dancing to the lights. Yeah - drill baby drill. 

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

Fantastic post throughout, but this bit is beautiful imagery 👍


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