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Chunky Pea
22 January 2025 17:29:57
I think the UK and Ireland have different criterea for issuing 'Reds', or any other colour warning. I think the UK critera tends to have a higher threashold. I.E,, an Irish red might equate to a UK amber. This is what I recall reading before anyway. 
Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

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22 January 2025 17:36:37

I think the UK and Ireland have different criterea for issuing 'Reds', or any other colour warning. I think the UK critera tends to have a higher threashold. I.E,, an Irish red might equate to a UK amber. This is what I recall reading before anyway. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

It's more complicated here in the UK, in that not all ambers are alike - there are four options:

Medium impact, high chance of happening

Medium impact, very high chance of happening

High impact, medium chance of happening

High impact, high chance of happening

The latter is on the "red path", as I call it, and red is:

High impact, very high chance of happening

The "chance of happening" tends to tick up as we get closer to the event.

The other clue is in the wording of the warning, which tends to be more severe in the "high impact" or "red path" - e.g. an amber on the "red path" will say:

Widespread structural damage e.g. roofs blown off, mobile homes overturned, power lines brought down.

Whereas an amber on the "medium impact" path would say:

Some structural damage, such as slates dislodged from roofs.

I suspect Ireland has a simpler system.


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Chunky Pea
22 January 2025 17:42:49

It's more complicated here in the UK, in that not all ambers are alike - there are four options:

Medium impact, high chance of happening

Medium impact, very high chance of happening

High impact, medium chance of happening

High impact, high chance of happening

The latter is on the "red path", as I call it, and red is:

High impact, very high chance of happening

The "chance of happening" tends to tick up as we get closer to the event.

The other clue is in the wording of the warning, which tends to be more severe in the "high impact" or "red path" - e.g. an amber on the "red path" will say:

Widespread structural damage e.g. roofs blown off, mobile homes overturned, power lines brought down.

Whereas an amber on the "medium impact" path would say:

Some structural damage, such as slates dislodged from roofs.

I suspect Ireland has a simpler system.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Thanks. I think Ireland's system is over enthusiastic. I've seen too many 'red warnings' issued for my region that bascially amounted to nothing, and I suspect this will be the case this time around as well. Some breif high winds around the coasts and nearer higher ground (neither of which I am near) but that's about it. 


Patrick,

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22 January 2025 17:46:21

I suspect this will be the case this time around as well. Some breif high winds around the coasts and nearer higher ground (neither of which I am near) but that's about it. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

I wouldn't be so sure on that one - even if you take 20mph off the Met Office values for Galway, for example, you still have 74mph - and that's pretty gnarly, so to speak. I don't know how far inland you are, but even so - it's going to be very windy.

Those pinks as seen on Meteociel are darned rare. They have popped up from time to time here, but even then it tends to be one or two runs and they change. This time around, for Ireland especially, the models have been rock-solid over the past few runs. It's not, I'd wager, the normal run-of-the-mill stuff.

We'll see soon enough anyway, stay safe!


Leysdown, north Kent
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22 January 2025 17:52:16
Incidentally the Met Office has been doing its usual trick of ramping up Friday's winds down here - while nowhere near as destructive as up north, I fully expect them to cause issues with fences etc locally, especially my neighbour's dodgy one which he just won't replace (stubborn guy that he is).

The MetO now has 57 gusts (compared to 40-50 in the warning, hmm) and GFS has 61. GFS has been persistently forecasting winds around 60mph for the past couple of days, while the MetO gradually crept up and up, day by day... That would make it 4:4 to the GFS and MetO over this extended winter half of the year.

(And my experience is that we're normally within a few mph of the MetO forecast - if it says 57 I would expect the low 50s, perhaps the odd  rogue gust into the low 60s, and they're the ones that cause the problems).


Leysdown, north Kent
nsrobins
22 January 2025 18:13:04

Incidentally the Met Office has been doing its usual trick of ramping up Friday's winds down here - while nowhere near as destructive as up north, I fully expect them to cause issues with fences etc locally, especially my neighbour's dodgy one which he just won't replace (stubborn guy that he is).

The MetO now has 57 gusts (compared to 40-50 in the warning, hmm) and GFS has 61. GFS has been persistently forecasting winds around 60mph for the past couple of days, while the MetO gradually crept up and up, day by day... That would make it 4:4 to the GFS and MetO over this extended winter half of the year.

(And my experience is that we're normally within a few mph of the MetO forecast - if it says 57 I would expect the low 50s, perhaps the odd  rogue gust into the low 60s, and they're the ones that cause the problems).

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Strongest gusts possibly 70mph on coasts for the south early Friday am.


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roadrunnerajn
22 January 2025 18:15:27
Met office have gusts to 74mph here on Friday according to their app…
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Lionel Hutz
22 January 2025 18:16:45

Thanks. I think Ireland's system is over enthusiastic. I've seen too many 'red warnings' issued for my region that bascially amounted to nothing, and I suspect this will be the case this time around as well. Some breif high winds around the coasts and nearer higher ground (neither of which I am near) but that's about it. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

I agree that Meteireann is a bit trigger happy on warnings. I hope you're right about the storm not being so bad but the problem is that we just can't be sure yet. The head of the National Emergency Coordination Group(I didn't know that we had one of those)is on the RTE website saying that this will be one of the severest storms ever. If you're right, it's going to take credibility out of future warnings.


Lionel Hutz

Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland

68m ASL



Hungry Tiger
22 January 2025 18:17:23

The next question is whether any of NI goes red tomorrow, and possibly southern Scotland/northern England. The Met Office don't tend to issue reds more than 24 hours out, but as we've seen the current amber is on the red track...

Originally Posted by: Retron 

It's looking nasty.   😞 


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nsrobins
22 January 2025 18:18:05
As per Darren. Red warnings will issued by noon tomorrow - it’s just the likelihood that needs to notch up a click.

Could well see the largest (in area) Red level warnings since the system started given the significant areas impacted.


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Chunky Pea
22 January 2025 18:21:10

I agree that Meteireann is a bit trigger happy on warnings. I hope you're right about the storm not being so bad but the problem is that we just can't be sure yet. The head of the National Emergency Coordination Group(I didn't know that we had one of those)is on the RTE website saying that this will be one of the severest storms ever. If you're right, it's going to take credibility out of future warnings.

Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 

I think these words need to be held onto. If this storm is going to be more severe that the literal Cat 1 speeds that leveled the entire west of Ireland in 1961, or the near hurricane force winds of 1974 and mulitple times during the 90s, then we are in for some serious weather! 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

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22 January 2025 18:34:23
The 12z MetO literally goes off the scale - blimey.

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/100/11494/ukmohd_uk1_11_40_0qkj9.png 

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TWO's view - which will change when the charts update - has a scarcely believable 140mph shown to the immediate west of Ireland. That's just over 220km/h, which matches the "off the scale" pink on the MC chart.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/ukguk/12_41_wind_gust.png 

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....and then there's this little feature a few days later. 10mph in Tonbridge, 110mph 25 miles away over the Channel! 😳

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/ukguk/12_117_wind_gust.png 

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Leysdown, north Kent
Matty H
22 January 2025 18:37:43

The next question is whether any of NI goes red tomorrow, and possibly southern Scotland/northern England. The Met Office don't tend to issue reds more than 24 hours out, but as we've seen the current amber is on the red track...

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Assuming the track and intensity continues to be modelled, and taking into account the last storm and its specifics that went red here, you’d have to say it’s fairly likely 


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Lionel Hutz
22 January 2025 18:39:01

I think these words need to be held onto. If this storm is going to be more severe that the literal Cat 1 speeds that leveled the entire west of Ireland in 1961, or the near hurricane force winds of 1974 and mulitple times during the 90s, then we are in for some serious weather! 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

https://www.rte.ie/news/weather/2025/0122/1492183-storm-eowyn/ 

If more people lose power than when we had Ophelia, it's going to be pretty bad.


Lionel Hutz

Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland

68m ASL



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22 January 2025 18:42:04
The 15z UKV "only" has 133mph... IF (and it's a big if, as it's still over a day away) things stay as they are, I'd say Ireland especially is going to see a historic wind storm, and, from the face of it, on a par if not worse than what we had down here in 1987. Further northeast, over NI, southern Scotland and Northern England it's still looking dangerous, but nowhere near the frankly incomprehensible speeds being shown over parts of Ireland.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/ukv/15_38_gust_wind.png 

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Leysdown, north Kent
Chunky Pea
22 January 2025 18:43:10
The hi res 'Harmonie' model (which Met Eireann uses) pretty similar to Retron's UK Met charts above. (timing might be slightly different)

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Patrick,

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22 January 2025 18:49:00
I note the 15z UKV also has that funny little swirl of >110mph winds in the Channel on Tuesday, just like the MetO. I guess it's more closely related to the MetO global than I realised, as it looks to be using the 12z initialisation data rather than a true 15z input.

Talking of the MetO, I wouldn't usually do this but as it's shaping up to be a noteworthy event - here's the MetO raw wind gust chart for Friday morning. The sheer extent of 80+ gusts is remarkable.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/meto.jpg 

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22 January 2025 19:42:26

The 15z UKV "only" has 133mph... IF (and it's a big if, as it's still over a day away) things stay as they are, I'd say Ireland especially is going to see a historic wind storm, and, from the face of it, on a par if not worse than what we had down here in 1987. Further northeast, over NI, southern Scotland and Northern England it's still looking dangerous, but nowhere near the frankly incomprehensible speeds being shown over parts of Ireland.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/ukv/15_38_gust_wind.png 

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

On Meteocil the scale to the west of Ireland actually doesn’t even go that high. Does anyone know if there are heigh tides forecast. Surely a storm surge is a real possibility?


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Quantum
22 January 2025 19:46:23
The most extreme one I've found is P13 on the GFS

https://meteologix.com/uk/model-charts/standard/galway/m13_wind-streamlines/20250124-0300z.html 

200km/h or 124mph sustained winds to SW Ireland.

Or 223kph gusts.

https://meteologix.com/uk/model-charts/standard/galway/m13_wind-streamlines/20250124-0300z.html 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

doctormog
22 January 2025 19:49:52

The most extreme one I've found is P13 on the GFS

https://meteologix.com/uk/model-charts/standard/galway/m13_wind-streamlines/20250124-0300z.html 

200km/h or 124mph sustained winds to SW Ireland.

Or 223mph gusts.

https://meteologix.com/uk/model-charts/standard/galway/m13_wind-streamlines/20250124-0300z.html 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

kph?


Quantum
22 January 2025 19:50:30

kph?

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Yep my bad, its 138mph; I've edited.

Oh and there are also extreme blizzards under -12C uppers.

https://modeles16.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2025012212/gens-13-0-42.png 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

doctormog
22 January 2025 19:53:46
Yes, it does increasingly look like an extreme event as the timescale is shortening. As others have said, I would expect a red warning for this tomorrow be issued tomorrow.
Quantum
22 January 2025 19:57:05

Yes, it does increasingly look like an extreme event as the timescale is shortening. As others have said, I would expect a red warning for this tomorrow be issued tomorrow.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

There will probably be 5 or 6 warnings ontop of each other e.g. Yellow wind, amber wind, red wind, yellow rain, amber rain, yellow snow. I prefer the old metoffice warning graphics; was a bit less confusing.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Windy Willow
22 January 2025 20:06:11

There will probably be 5 or 6 warnings ontop of each other e.g. Yellow wind, amber wind, red wind, yellow rain, amber rain, yellow snow. I prefer the old metoffice warning graphics; was a bit less confusing.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Just remember not to eat it! 😜

But seriously, I hope that Lionel and Chunky stay safe, it's looking pretty bad for you guys.


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SnowyHythe(Kent)
22 January 2025 22:23:48

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