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richardabdn
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 10:43:46 AM
The 6th horrific festive period in succession concluding a second half of December every bit as bad as that of 2015. Worse in fact as, while it was practically as mild, it was even duller and murkier. Constantly damp with an inordinate amount of murk. The one good thing about winter used to be the absence of fog and associated muck but now there's no escaping from it.

Ridiculous mild minima in particular with a ludicrous absence of frost once more. Tedious, depressing and unpleasant in the extreme. How in the hell can we be in such a dire, uninteresting era when we have had two second halves of December inside 10 years in which it hasn't dropped below 1.5C when June has managed to drop below that in the past?

I make this the 9th December since 2011 in which the second half has been milder than the first something that was fairly uncommon prior. In fact there looks to have been about the same number in the 50 years from 1961-2010. It's also the 5th dismally wet December in a row but at least all the others managed one day of lying snow. This has felt like the worst of the lot. Horrendous in every possible way.

I see the Hogmanay Celebrations in Edinburgh have been cancelled due to wind. People will have come from all around the world for this and all there is are force 5 winds which is just standard December wind and the same as when I went down for the cancelled light show a couple of weeks ago. This country is an embarassing joke. The laughing stock of the world.


Aberdeen: The only place that misses out on everything

2023 - The Year that's Constantly Worse than a Bad November

2024 - 2023 without the Good Bits

2025 - The Weekend Curse hell intensifies

Tim A
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 12:34:04 PM
I'm a bit grumpy re the weather at the moment as the snow event for tomorrow has completely evaporated. Not even like it's moved North or South to benefit others , just completely gone.  A snow build up during NYD would have been very special indeed especially given it would stick around for the foreseeable. 

Instead we now have persistent rain as the rain that starts today is now merged with tomorrow's feature into perhaps 70mm(as per 6z GFS) of warm and then cool rain. 


Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

 My PWS 

Tim A
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 4:22:03 PM
I heard someone say that there is no observational data in the AI models, however not sure if this is correct , I can't understand this.  Surely the data programmed in to start the pattern match is the T+0 observational data from around the world to form the starting pattern? 
Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

 My PWS 

Retron
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 4:25:42 PM

I heard someone say that there is no observational data in the AI models, however not sure if this is correct , I can't understand this.  Surely the data programmed in to start the pattern match is the T+0 observational data from around the world to form the starting pattern? 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

They use the ERA5 reanalysis data (the same as you can look up online), as well as the archive of old T+0 (i.e. analysis) high-res ECM charts. They then take in the same initialisation data as the regular ECM uses, then run a series of comparisons to produce the output.

So both are right. There's no observation data in the "AI" database, as it's based on old charts. But you're right in that initialisation data is used to start the comparison going - there could be no other way of doing it really!


Leysdown, north Kent
Tim A
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 4:30:54 PM
Thanks Darren. I know there is some good info on the ECM website about it all so will give that a read when I get a bit of time. 
Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

 My PWS 

roadrunnerajn
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 4:49:28 PM
Grumble time…. Living in the far SW has many benefits but there are two big pitfalls, firstly you need a day to get anywhere east of Bristol and secondly the winter. I was very fortunate in January this year to get the perfect winter weather with deep powdery snow and sub zero temperatures..even though I had to travel 750 miles to experience it. 

When the UK has its usual mild long fetch southwesterly weather the whole of the country is more or less the same, whether you’re in the pennines or the SW coast of Cornwall. 

However when a cold snap or spell is forecast it is rare for us down here to get snow that may last more than a day or so if we are lucky to get it at all. For someone who loves snow I could easily move back to my roots in the Derbyshire Peak District every winter just in case snow is forecast. 


Germoe, part of the breakaway Celtic Republic. 80m asl
Chunky Pea
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 6:13:26 PM
It's really amazing that over the last year or so that 'AI' is becoming normalised. We really are entering into Tomorrow's World. Not knowledgeable on AI at all, but I think it 'learns' as it goes along, so what it misses initially, it could account for in the future. Fascinating and scary at the same time. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

doctormog
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 6:18:23 PM

It's really amazing that over the last year or so that 'AI' is becoming normalised. We really are entering into Tomorrow's World. Not knowledgeable on AI at all, but I think it 'learns' as it goes along, so what it misses initially, it could account for in the future. Fascinating and scary at the same time. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

I just asked my new dishwasher and it agrees with you.


Saint Snow
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 8:32:37 PM

I just asked my new dishwasher and it agrees with you.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

You got remarried recently, Michael?


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

doctormog
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 8:41:25 PM

You got remarried recently, Michael?

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

🤣 I am not going to comment further (in case my original dishwasher is looking over my shoulder).


Saint Snow
Tuesday, December 31, 2024 8:59:26 PM

🤣 I am not going to comment further (in case my original dishwasher is looking over my shoulder).

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

😉

All the best for 2025, mate


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Bolty
Saturday, January 11, 2025 3:26:37 AM
It's been interesting from a meteorological perspective, but I'm ready for this cold spell to end now. I can only put up with it for a few days before it becomes uncomfortable. Constantly waiting for the car to defrost and having to go ultra slow everywhere because of the ice risk also gets tedious. Roll on the milder air.
Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

My weather station 

Chunky Pea
Saturday, January 11, 2025 7:26:37 AM

It's been interesting from a meteorological perspective, but I'm ready for this cold spell to end now. I can only put up with it for a few days before it becomes uncomfortable. Constantly waiting for the car to defrost and having to go ultra slow everywhere because of the ice risk also gets tedious. Roll on the milder air.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

If nothing else, it'll be much easier to heat the house and keep it warm. 

My moan is for different reasons. Very little in the way of acitive Atlantic weather, with the usual sequence of fronts and air masses etc this winter. We just seem to be going from prolonged, benign mild spells to somewhat less prolonged, benign cooler spells. It's all just different shades of nothingness this winter. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

johncs2016
Saturday, January 11, 2025 7:49:29 AM

If nothing else, it'll be much easier to heat the house and keep it warm. 

My moan is for different reasons. Very little in the way of acitive Atlantic weather, with the usual sequence of fronts and air masses etc this winter. We just seem to be going from prolonged, benign mild spells to somewhat less prolonged, benign cooler spells. It's all just different shades of nothingness this winter. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

The bottom line is that we just don't get changeable weather like we used to and that was shown up really well over the Christmas period when during my trip to the Scottish Borders at that time, the weather didn't change one single bit from one day to the next for that entire week in which I was there.

That was a completely snow-free and frost-free period which was mild, completely dry and mostly overcast with the only changes from day to day coming from certain days having the odd hint of brightness at times with other days not even having that.

That to me is as boring and uninteresting as it gets but that is something which is becoming all too common these days.

With this current cold spell, we are at least doing well for frost and although we're not even halfway through the month just yet, we've already had more air frosts in this month than what we had in the whole of December and this means that only at least another two air frosts need to be recorded between now and the end of this month in order for this month to be frostier than average at Edinburgh Gogarbank.

In addition to that, we are also doing much better for sunshine than has been the case for quite a long time and we have already had not far short of 60% of our 1991-2020 January average sunshine at Edinburgh Gogarbank in this month so far.

However, the weather even with that is still changing very little from one day to the next and it wouldn't have been so bad if the influence of the North Sea hadn't completely ruined our chances of getting at least some snow with this spell of weather at a time when many others have had plenty of it.

There is plenty of snow on the Pentland Hills which aren't all that far away to my south and that is something which I can see very well in the distance from my south facing kitchen window but that just isn't the same as actually having some snow at my own back door and that is something which I have still to actually see during this winter so far, even though we're now about halfway through the winter.😡


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

richardabdn
Saturday, January 11, 2025 10:04:27 AM
Would have been far better if this cold spell had ended last weekend because the past week has added nothing. Pathetic, lame and tedious. Limited snowfall and utterly dire minima that, on the majority of nights, have struggled to drop below freezing.

A completely unremarkable and quite frankly pathetic min of -5.2C last night. It quite simply defies belief that this is all that can be achieved under a 12cm snow cover with clear skies in what should be the heart of winter. Almost everywhere in the country has seen lower readings including places with no snow.

Last week was colder but still only -6.2C which is far from exceptional. Certainly not the coldest January temperature in 15 years as it was colder at the end of January 2019 despite there being only a thin covering of snow and maxima of 2-4C as opposed to only 0-2C throughout this cold spell. It really defies any kind of logical explanation as to why the minima have been so poor. Even January 2013 which saw almost perpetual overcast managed -7C while the end of January 2006 was colder with no snow whatsoever.

To make matters worse the Weekend Curse is in full swing yet again with pointless unproductive cloud filling the sky after sunrise, following three sunny weekdays. There really is nothing to enjoy about the climate here. It's the work of Satan.


Aberdeen: The only place that misses out on everything

2023 - The Year that's Constantly Worse than a Bad November

2024 - 2023 without the Good Bits

2025 - The Weekend Curse hell intensifies

DEW
  • DEW
  • Advanced Member
Saturday, January 18, 2025 7:08:50 AM
Forecast for Chichester and much of the SE

Today,  overcast

Sun,  overcast

Mon,  overcast

Tue, a few sunny periods (some mistake surely?)

Wed,  overcast

Thu,  overcast

Fri,  overcast

No frosts, no mild days, just B O R I N G


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Chichester 12m asl

Jiries
Saturday, January 18, 2025 7:24:05 AM

Forecast for Chichester and much of the SE

Today,  overcast

Sun,  overcast

Mon,  overcast

Tue, a few sunny periods (some mistake surely?)

Wed,  overcast

Thu,  overcast

Fri,  overcast

No frosts, no mild days, just B O R I N G

Originally Posted by: DEW 

That why I hate HP with passion they ruin and kill our seasons all year round now.  Surely Alps resorts also hate them.  Perhaps you see more sun once this exit next week?   Got  new garden and lawn will make use during clearance sunny slots only and refuse to associate outside under cloudy wet HP.

Ally Pally Snowman
Saturday, January 18, 2025 7:56:12 AM

Forecast for Chichester and much of the SE

Today,  overcast

Sun,  overcast

Mon,  overcast

Tue, a few sunny periods (some mistake surely?)

Wed,  overcast

Thu,  overcast

Fri,  overcast

No frosts, no mild days, just B O R I N G

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Yes perversely the more unsettled it gets the more likely we are to see the sun. Gotta love UK winters. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Jiries
Saturday, January 18, 2025 8:14:12 AM

Yes perversely the more unsettled it gets the more likely we are to see the sun. Gotta love UK winters. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Before we used to see nice sunny days when HP move in from any direction now the minute it set foot in at any season it automatically gloom and wet. 

Saint Snow
Saturday, January 18, 2025 10:24:38 AM
I like grey murkiness in winter. We've had a lot more mist & fog than usual.

We've also woke to a frost on Thursday and Friday morning.


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Roger Parsons
Saturday, January 18, 2025 11:15:19 AM

I like grey murkiness in winter. We've had a lot more mist & fog than usual.

We've also woke to a frost on Thursday and Friday morning.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I don't mind grey days, which have their own charm, but I also like a cold spell. Reading a range of forecasts, I can't see things changing much this month, can you? I think I am pinning snow-hopes on February now, and even that seems marginal. We shall see.


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

Chunky Pea
Saturday, January 18, 2025 11:23:06 AM
Already getting a bit brighter in the evenings. Depressing. Darker mornings seem to be holding on a little better for now. 
Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

doctormog
Saturday, January 18, 2025 11:50:25 AM
Yes I noticed the late afternoon/evenings are getting just that little bit brighter. With a bit of sunshine around the extra minutes of daylight are very welcome, and it is a lovely sunny day here today which is a bonus.
Heavy Weather 2013
Sunday, January 19, 2025 7:40:04 AM
I see the the gulf coast is on track for a snow storm. 5.7in of snow in New Orleans is forecast. 

https://x.com/dylanfedericowx/status/1880839650555887631?s=46&t=0CzXil3QOYbo8W1abHQyVQ 

For my area of the world that would be our heaviest snow in decades. All these cold plunnges seem to do in the US is destroy our hopes for anything as the jet powers up. So annoying.


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

Retron
Sunday, January 19, 2025 7:57:43 AM

I see the the gulf coast is on track for a snow storm. 5.7in of snow in New Orleans is forecast. 

https://x.com/dylanfedericowx/status/1880839650555887631?s=46&t=0CzXil3QOYbo8W1abHQyVQ 

For my area of the world that would be our heaviest snow in decades. All these cold plunnges seem to do in the US is destroy our hopes for anything as the jet powers up. So annoying.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

It's one of the annual traditions - media stories popping up of snow in places like the Sahara, or record-breaking dumps in the States. Perhaps the most frustrating thing of all is that it gives those Americans who insist there's no such thing as global warming a perfect platform, and the media laps it up.

At this rate the next time we get 6 inches here (if we ever do!) it'll end up as headline news abroad. 😂


Leysdown, north Kent

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