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Bolty
22 December 2024 15:23:43
Come back cloudy nothingness, all is forgiven! This near-constant wind can do one.
Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

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UncleAlbert
23 December 2024 21:59:36
The passage of the shortest day started  me thinking about the fact that it is deemed the starting point of  astronomical winter.  This  does not make any logical sense.   Surely it should be based on the length of the day.  That would make astronomical winter starting  on the cross quarter day (approximately November 5,  half way between the autumn equinox and the winter solstice) and ending at the next CQD in early February.  Just a thought! 🤔

Brian Gaze
23 December 2024 22:21:56
I was thinking of something for April Fool's day, but given the rapidly changing nature of the seasons perhaps winter should be renamed to Autinter?
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idj20
23 December 2024 23:47:20

The passage of the shortest day started  me thinking about the fact that it is deemed the starting point of  astronomical winter.  This  does not make any logical sense.   Surely it should be based on the length of the day.  That would make astronomical winter starting  on the cross quarter day (approximately November 5,  half way between the autumn equinox and the winter solstice) and ending at the next CQD in early February.  Just a thought! 🤔

Originally Posted by: UncleAlbert 

I go by the meteorological season since December is the LEAST coldest month of the meteorological winter season and January sits in the middle being the MOST coldest month while by February we start to feel the effects of solar input. If we went by your method, November and December would be more like Autumn rather than Winter while January is the most Winter month. I'm just taking into account a cooling down and warming up lag across the seasons.


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24 December 2024 11:53:23

I go by the meteorological season since December is the LEAST coldest month of the meteorological winter season and January sits in the middle being the MOST coldest month while by February we start to feel the effects of solar input. If we went by your method, November and December would be more like Autumn rather than Winter while January is the most Winter month. I'm just taking into account a cooling down and warming up lag across the seasons.

Originally Posted by: idj20 

I tend to see this from different perspectives. For the 'feel' of the weather in terms of quality of light, strength of sun, daylight length I do think that winter goes from early November to early February. By mid February (at least in the south of England), there is enough strength in the sun for it to feel spring like. Similarly, a hot day in mid May can feel like mid summer. So I can see the logic about balancing the seasons around the solstices and equinoxes , e.g. Winter = November 6 to February 5, Spring = February 6 to May 5 etc. 

But I also know full well that with the heat lag in the UK, temperature wise the seasons are better defined as approximately Winter = December 20th to March 20th, Spring = March 20th to June 20th and so on.

Finally, I do recognise for convenience and consistency, the Met Office definitions for the seasons do make sense and are probably a happy medium between the two above. 

 


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richardabdn
24 December 2024 12:48:28
Yet again conditions bear no resemblance to the forecast. Just a standard typically vile mild 21st Century horror show. 10C, damp and sunless. Wind coming from the repugnant SE quarter not the SW. The absolute pits and not in any way exceptional.

Not a glimmer of sunshine yet again and only two days in eight that have managed even half an hour, both of which were rendered horrible due to wind. The most depressing, woefully bad run up to Christmas I've ever experienced. Utterly dire. Even 2015 wasn't this bad with Christmas Eve being at least feeling reasonably seasonal with 7C and sunshine. Light years ahead of the unremitting dross that's been spewed out since the middle of the month this year.


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Gandalf The White
24 December 2024 13:07:32

I go by the meteorological season since December is the LEAST coldest month of the meteorological winter season and January sits in the middle being the MOST coldest month while by February we start to feel the effects of solar input. If we went by your method, November and December would be more like Autumn rather than Winter while January is the most Winter month. I'm just taking into account a cooling down and warming up lag across the seasons.

Originally Posted by: idj20 

That’s my view of the definition of when winter starts as well, given that we are surrounded by water, have a massive ocean in what is the default upwind side, and that ocean has a conveyor that brings huge quantities of heat from lower latitudes.  If we had a continental climate then the lag would be significantly less.


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Chunky Pea
24 December 2024 13:34:03

I go by the meteorological season since December is the LEAST coldest month of the meteorological winter season and January sits in the middle being the MOST coldest month while by February we start to feel the effects of solar input. If we went by your method, November and December would be more like Autumn rather than Winter while January is the most Winter month. I'm just taking into account a cooling down and warming up lag across the seasons.

Originally Posted by: idj20 

I go by the meteorological definition as well, but I can see the logic of the astronomical interpretation, as the period between the winter solstice and the spring equinox is a bit colder, on average, than the standard Dec/Jan/Feb mean. Same applies to the summer equivalent in terms of mean warmth as well. 


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Retron
24 December 2024 13:38:17

I go by the meteorological definition as well, but I can see the logic of the astronomical interpretation, as the period between the winter solstice and the spring equinox is a bit colder, on average, than the standard Dec/Jan/Feb mean. Same applies to the summer equivalent in terms of mean warmth as well. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Not down here it isn't. Mid/late Dec mean max for Faversham (91-20): 8.4C, for mid/late March: 11.2 (both +/- 0.2 or so). There's no contest - by mid-March it's unequivocally spring. Snow is rare at any time, but almost unheard of from mid-March onwards.

Of course, last year winter was exactly one week in January, it being autumn up until then and spring thereafter. Hopefully winter will be a bit longer this year, but as ever I *won't* get my hopes up!


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Chunky Pea
24 December 2024 13:40:23

Not a glimmer of sunshine yet again and only two days irichardabdn;1617307

It has been very sunny here until the last day or two, and to be honest, I find winter sunshine to be highly overrated. It's harsh and it's glarish and offers nothing of value at all. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Chunky Pea
24 December 2024 13:50:25

Not down here it isn't. Mid/late Dec mean max for Faversham (91-20): 8.4C, for mid/late March: 11.2 (both +/- 0.2 or so). There's no contest - by mid-March it's unequivocally spring. Snow is rare at any time, but almost unheard of from mid-March onwards.

Of course, last year winter was exactly one week in January, it being autumn up until then and spring thereafter. Hopefully winter will be a bit longer this year, but as ever I *won't* get my hopes up!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

We have to wait until around mid-April, or even May, to get any sense of spring here. I find March to be the ugliest and most lifeless and toneless of all the months. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Bolty
24 December 2024 14:05:59
Not a bad day today, a bit cloudy but there's at least some glimpses of sunshine and feeling mild. Currently 12.2°C.

It certainly beats 6°C, rain and wind, either way.


Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

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cultman1
26 December 2024 15:21:32
It's 7 in London as I write 
Saint Snow
27 December 2024 10:49:55
Weather here since Xmas Eve has been misty/foggy and felt chilly at 6-7c. In the absence of cold and snow, this was a decent compromise.

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fairweather
27 December 2024 23:29:52
It's hardly been worth moaning about the weather this December because one post from the start would pretty much have it covered. Mild, no frosts, permanently thick cloud and virtually no sunshine. ( Well 26 hrs which is now less than an hour a day). At lest they get to see the actual sun in Norway from time to time in winter!
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Jiries
28 December 2024 05:38:17

It's hardly been worth moaning about the weather this December because one post from the start would pretty much have it covered. Mild, no frosts, permanently thick cloud and virtually no sunshine. ( Well 26 hrs which is now less than an hour a day). At lest they get to see the actual sun in Norway from time to time in winter!

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Yes seen only Uk get no sun or frost under HP as it been horrible month with so much rain dull and static tempps. Hopefully 2025 change that and correct our seasons back again. 

fairweather
28 December 2024 10:34:53

Weather here since Xmas Eve has been misty/foggy and felt chilly at 6-7c. In the absence of cold and snow, this was a decent compromise.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Yes - what happened to the Christmas warmth date records?!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
doctormog
28 December 2024 10:51:24

Yes - what happened to the Christmas warmth date records?!

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

It was notably mild here, both on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day (15 and 14°C respectively). Not quite record breaking, just very mild.


fairweather
29 December 2024 12:17:58
Another joke forecast. Slight movement of air, no brightness whatsoever. Damp, drizzly, temp dropped to 4.5C. Exactly the same as the last three weeks except a bit colder last two days. This weather is useless for anything. At least we can look forward to something different soon - gales and cold rain !


S.Essex, 42m ASL
NMA
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29 December 2024 13:54:54
Latest forecast for Hampshire, Dorset and the Isle of Wight

Last updated 36 minutes ago

Today

This afternoon will start generally cloudy but the cloud will tend to break up later, revealing bright spells for many. 

It will be dry and slightly milder than the previous day.

Grey slight drizzle and murky here still but another couple of hours to fall into the 'bright spells for many' camp. Or not.

Still I've been able to tidy cut the grass, plant a witch hazel I've had my eye on for some time. Searching for a crab apple 'Evereste' but struggling to find a place that will tell me the rootstock they use.

In short, I'm making the most of the weather before...

Edit.

The bright spells never materialised as I expected.


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Bolty
30 December 2024 01:49:05
I'm not a particular fan of cold weather, but I hope this will be a case of "new year, new weather". 2024 has just been an all-out diabolical year for weather, with every month seeing a long spell of dreary, cloudy, wet dross. Hopefully 2025 will see more in the way of seasonal weather, with more sunshine and a better summer.
Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

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DEW
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30 December 2024 07:35:36
The present situation looks as if we could get cold air all the way down to the south coast, with milder and moister air not far away to the southwest. This set up was what gave us a splendid snowfall in December 2010.

But  only four days later, the mild air came back, all the snow melted. A week later, the cold returned but this time with frost, not snow - and ever since then, to add insult to injury, northerners have been going on about what a splendid snowy spell it was. Indeed, but south of the M4 it wasn't 😠


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Saint Snow
30 December 2024 09:48:39

The present situation looks as if we could get cold air all the way down to the south coast, with milder and moister air not far away to the southwest. This set up was what gave us a splendid snowfall in December 2010.

But  only four days later, the mild air came back, all the snow melted. A week later, the cold returned but this time with frost, not snow - and ever since then, to add insult to injury, northerners have been going on about what a splendid snowy spell it was. Indeed, but south of the M4 it wasn't 😠

Originally Posted by: DEW 

It was bone dry here from when it kicked in late November. The models had forecast two or three little features to bring snow here that didn't come off. Another one was modelled for the 19th December (more frontal, moving in from the west) and I remember driving home (westwards) that evening hoping to get a 1-2cm covering.

Saw the first flake, in my headlights, about 8 miles east of home, and they just got thicker and thicker. Always a beautiful sight seeing them in the 'inverted V' of light cast from motorway lights. 

Finally, I had my snow (pounded down for a good few hours, leaving a good 16cm here - and more to my northwest)

Happy days!

Anyway, and back to the present, the interesting options for snow from this snap have all but disappeared now for me.


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

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Retron
30 December 2024 10:05:15

The present situation looks as if we could get cold air all the way down to the south coast, with milder and moister air not far away to the southwest. This set up was what gave us a splendid snowfall in December 2010.

But  only four days later, the mild air came back, all the snow melted. A week later, the cold returned but this time with frost, not snow - and ever since then, to add insult to injury, northerners have been going on about what a splendid snowy spell it was. Indeed, but south of the M4 it wasn't 😠

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Yes, 2010 was one of the biggest disappointments of recent decades, despite having some wet snow for a few days it was galling to see what seemed like everyone else with feet of powder snow. The only bigger disappointment was that time around 2000 when heavy snow showers were forecast on Christmas Day, coming in off the North Sea. A massive shower cloud duly moved in as the afternoon light faded, it became very still... and then pelted down with icy cold rain. Bah humbug!

(Of course, it all balances out. My fond memory of 2018 with several inches of powder and a -14.8 low won't ring many bells, and the fantastic 2-week easterly at the end of Feb 2005, with snow every day for 2 weeks will ring even fewer!)


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DEW
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30 December 2024 11:30:41
I'm having a couple of radiators replaced prior to redecoration.

Perhaps Jan 3rd wasn't the best day to agree to this work ....


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