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Bugglesgate
10 December 2024 20:33:35
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c791ng0zvl3o 

I  have to confess to  always struggle a bit with "Quantum" ... anything.

My understanding  is that Quantum Computers look like this :-

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.....and need lots of liquid helium to work !!

So it wasn't immediately obvious how this :_

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Fitted in.   Apparently it fits inside the helium  thingy !

I have to confess I've stored these things in my mind along side :-

1. Fusion Power.

2. Growing a new tooth when the old one goes rotten and drops out.

3. Totally self driving cars.

The  time scales for all coming to practical fruition seem to between the distant future and never !

... and the way we are going, one has to wonder if extinction will come first !


Chris (It,its)

Between Newbury and Basingstoke

"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"

Retron
11 December 2024 05:38:18

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c791ng0zvl3o

I  have to confess to  always struggle a bit with "Quantum" ... anything.

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

The latest issue of "IT Now" (the magazine you get if you're a member of the British Computer Society) has several articles about quantum computing, along with a cover exclaiming "MEET THE QUBIT". It's been progressing slowly and, frankly, I'm happy that it's been so slow - as they explain that it renders most of our encryption, especially that used on the Internet (which dates back to the 1950s), obsolete.

One of the articles delved into how SSL works (it involves logarithms, factors and very large numbers):

"For modulus sizes of 2048 bits, we would have to consume the equivalent amount of energy needed to boil all the oceans on the planet to factorise it."

It also says at the current rate of progress there's a 1-in-7 chance of 2048-bit encryption being broken by 2026 and a 1-in-2 chance by 2031. We don't have anything yet which is completely quantum-proof but as it dryly notes, research into new methods is continuing.

EDIT: And of course it's no wonder so much effort is being put into quantum computing. We're pushing the boundaries of physics with our current technology - modern chips have features set apart by just a few hundred atoms - hence a wholesale move to something new is required. We're currently at around 300 million transistors per square millimetre, FWIW, and it's insane if you think about it.

As I explained to an IT teacher last year (who used to mine me for info, as her degree was in business studies) - each of the shiny new PCs on the desks in the IT room had far more transistors than there are people in the world. And we just take it for granted!


Leysdown, north Kent
lanky
12 December 2024 09:04:57
I can just about see how having qubits taking the value 1 and 0 at the same time rather than just ordinary bits set specifically to either 1 or 0 can mean that (for 128 bit encryption) all the individual values between 0 and 3x10^38 can be held in 128 bits instead of 128 bits for each individual value

What I don't have the faintest idea about is how you would go about manipulating qubits at the application level in order to solve mathematical equations - such as factorising 38 digit numbers into the product of 2 primes.  And perhaps more importantly how you would achieve this in 5 minutes instead of 1 septillion years using the sledgehammer approach to try every possibility


Martin

Richmond, Surrey

westv
12 December 2024 09:26:55
Interesting........... Oh hang on, I have an appointment to watch some pain dry. Must dash.....

😊😊


At least it will be mild!
Bugglesgate
13 December 2024 09:57:47

Interesting........... Oh hang on, I have an appointment to watch some pain dry. Must dash.....

😊😊

Originally Posted by: westv 

What won't be so "interesting" is  if some Herbert actually makes this mind bending stuff work and some miscreant  gets their hands on the tech and drains your bank account. ... that flips it into the "f*cking annoying" category.

Maybe we will  have to go back queuing up at the bank  to get money out from a human teller and writing cheques out.


Chris (It,its)

Between Newbury and Basingstoke

"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"

Gandalf The White
13 December 2024 22:18:43

What won't be so "interesting" is  if some Herbert actually makes this mind bending stuff work and some miscreant  gets their hands on the tech and drains your bank account. ... that flips it into the "f*cking annoying" category.

Maybe we will  have to go back queuing up at the bank  to get money out from a human teller and writing cheques out.

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

As I said on a different topic, the problem is not so much the technology as some of the human beings that use it.

As I think you are suggesting, the problem is that if the brute computing power is there then encryption ceases to be the security necessary for many transactions and were then in serious trouble.


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lanky
15 December 2024 08:31:46

As I said on a different topic, the problem is not so much the technology as some of the human beings that use it.

As I think you are suggesting, the problem is that if the brute computing power is there then encryption ceases to be the security necessary for many transactions and were then in serious trouble.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

These "transactions" include WhatsApp messages which boast end-to-end encryption and include messages sent by various ne'er-do-wells organising their nefarious activities

I wouldn't put it past the spooks to try and get a protoptye version of Google's "Willow" in order to take a peek at the contents - in secret ot course


Martin

Richmond, Surrey

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