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Crepuscular Ray
19 July 2024 17:17:40
I feel the same as Richard this year, so cloudy, hardly seen the sun for 10 days (apart from Wednesday)
Jerry

Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill

Retron
19 July 2024 18:01:00
What a putrid day - far too warm to do anything productive outside, of course, and increasingly unpleasant indoors (it's now 25 downstairs, and 32 upstairs). Still 29 outside at 7PM, and I'm not looking forward to bedtime... it's gonna suck big time tonight.

At least the lucky Scots don't have the experience of waking up several times in the night, drenched in sweat... be careful what you wish for, folks!

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Leysdown, north Kent
moomin75
19 July 2024 18:01:14

Vile. 21C dewpoints should be illegal in the UK!

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

It's good fun seeing you suffer Darren. Seeing as you take great pleasure in relishing miserable cold weather in summer 😉 😅😅


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Jiries
19 July 2024 18:06:33

It's good fun seeing you suffer Darren. Seeing as you take great pleasure in relishing miserable cold weather in summer 😉 😅😅

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

It will go back down but this time no silly low 10 to mid teen temps here mostly just tad below average to average temps.  Today warm spell didn't bring wall to wall sunshine yet but not sure why we cannot get sunny days in any temperatures, not always have to be reserved to the heatwave or very warm spell but on average temps or a bit below.  

Essan
19 July 2024 18:48:44

At least the lucky Scots don't have the experience of waking up several times in the night, drenched in sweat... be careful what you wish for, folks!

It does have its benefits - last night I'd have missed a great dispaly of noctilucent clouds had it not been so silly warm and I'd been unable to ge back to sleep 


Andy

Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl

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Retron
20 July 2024 05:00:59

It's good fun seeing you suffer Darren. Seeing as you take great pleasure in relishing miserable cold weather in summer 😉 😅😅

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Good fun, eh? I'll remember that next time you're whinging in the MO thread, or writing off entire seasons in the first week! 😁

The difference with "miserable cold weather", of course, is that you can still get out and do things and more importantly get a good night's sleep. I defy you, Moomin, to get a good night's sleep when it's 33C in your bedroom. Just try it! (Or you can have a portable a/c running loudly, and 25C instead if you prefer - that's what I had last night). And it means the roads are populated by zombies in the morning - not much fun either.

I would be one of them if I were out and about, but thankfully I'm not.

...and of course today will be day three of the heatwave, 27C is the forecast max and that's right on the threshold. Sod's law, isn't it, that those who despise heatwaves end up with one, while those gagging for them miss out!


Leysdown, north Kent
cultman1
21 July 2024 07:36:18
The dreary summer continues 

Was meant to be sunny spells for London today now The  Met Office showing constant cloud and subdued temperatures till late afternoon 

moomin75
21 July 2024 10:10:46

Good fun, eh? I'll remember that next time you're whinging in the MO thread, or writing off entire seasons in the first week! 😁

The difference with "miserable cold weather", of course, is that you can still get out and do things and more importantly get a good night's sleep. I defy you, Moomin, to get a good night's sleep when it's 33C in your bedroom. Just try it! (Or you can have a portable a/c running loudly, and 25C instead if you prefer - that's what I had last night). And it means the roads are populated by zombies in the morning - not much fun either.

I would be one of them if I were out and about, but thankfully I'm not.

...and of course today will be day three of the heatwave, 27C is the forecast max and that's right on the threshold. Sod's law, isn't it, that those who despise heatwaves end up with one, while those gagging for them miss out!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Must be honest, I never really struggle to sleep no matter how hot the room is.

It was a bit challenging on that 40c day 2 years ago, but generally, just a fan will suffice for me, but then I have always been a good sleeper.

I do, of course, jest with you, but we don't really get enough warm to hot days to ever make it unbearable for me.

Each to their own of course, and in truth, an ideal summer would be daytime temperatures around 20-23c and nighttime comfortable around 12-14c.

But I will take the heat when it comes too! 

And I'm a changed man anyway, you will never see me writing off a season too early any more.

As such, I'm definitely not writing off summer yet, and I hope that August will give us some decent weather.


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Roger Parsons
21 July 2024 10:40:54

So, here we are in day two of the heatwave. As expected, it's utter dross - not even a breath of wind, clouds that magically avoid going anywhere near the sun, and a dewpoint in the low 20s, which feels as disgusting as it sounds like. It's 24C at half nine in the morning and will remain above the July average max until nearly midnight tonight.

My electricty bill will be going through the roof today (the portable a/c will be working overtime) and yet I know it's still going to suck trying to sleep tonight. I'm half-zombiefied already and expect to be fully zombiefied tomorrow.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

I find it a paradox that our efforts to address energy use/loss by better building materials and insulation could in some cases force us to go for air conditioning to cool our homes in summer - putting up our energy use back to where we started. Is this a fair take on the present situation? I've not looked at the "energetics" seriously. I wonder if Q has? 🤨


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West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

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Retron
21 July 2024 10:54:12

I find it a paradox that our efforts to address energy use/loss by better building materials and insulation could in some cases force us to go for air conditioning to cool our homes in summer - putting up our energy use back to where we started. Is this a fair take on the present situation? I've not looked at the "energetics" seriously. I wonder if Q has? 🤨

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

Well, the insulation in my house is the same as it was 40 years ago, aside from the new windows... thanks to the warming climate, it's crossed the threshold from "bugger me, that was a warm night" to "I need a/c to even think of sleeping" when we have our hottest summer days.

Judging by the number of a/c (as opposed to heat pump) condensers appearing locally, it seems that people in much newer (and thus much better insulated) houses than mine are succumbing too.

Give it another 20 years and I reckon you'll see a/c units everywhere down here... a bit like if you go on holiday to warmer countries now. Technically you need planning permission for a/c units, FWIW, but nobody bothers and the council here at least couldn't care less - they have more pressing matters to attend to with their limited resources. Oddly the a/c companies themselves either ignore the planning issue entirely, or outright lie about it! (Sample link here , it was the first Google match when I searched).

The actual rules are here - the a/c companies saying they're legal without planning conveniently ignore the "must be used solely for heating purposes" bit!

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/heat-pumps/planning-permission-air-source-heat-pump 


Leysdown, north Kent
Jiries
22 July 2024 04:44:05
The 

Well, the insulation in my house is the same as it was 40 years ago, aside from the new windows... thanks to the warming climate, it's crossed the threshold from "bugger me, that was a warm night" to "I need a/c to even think of sleeping" when we have our hottest summer days.

Judging by the number of a/c (as opposed to heat pump) condensers appearing locally, it seems that people in much newer (and thus much better insulated) houses than mine are succumbing too.

Give it another 20 years and I reckon you'll see a/c units everywhere down here... a bit like if you go on holiday to warmer countries now. Technically you need planning permission for a/c units, FWIW, but nobody bothers and the council here at least couldn't care less - they have more pressing matters to attend to with their limited resources. Oddly the a/c companies themselves either ignore the planning issue entirely, or outright lie about it! (Sample link here , it was the first Google match when I searched).

The actual rules are here - the a/c companies saying they're legal without planning conveniently ignore the "must be used solely for heating purposes" bit!

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/heat-pumps/planning-permission-air-source-heat-pump 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

That really stupid for a permission just to install a unit? Other countries don’t and do what you want.

richardabdn
23 July 2024 17:18:38
Was in London for the weekend enduring more of the same crap as has been suffered here for an eternity. Sun couldn't stay out longer than about 10 minutes at a time. Only difference was it was warmer.

Flight home on Sunday night was cancelled so I ended up being subjected to a 7 hour train journey on Monday from which I was able to enjoy astoundingly varied, interesting and beautiful skies for the entirety of the journey. This is just a taste of what I was treated to. It will have weather enthusiasts all around the world salivating in awe:

Retford, Nottinghamshire

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Tadcaster, North Yorkshire

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Newton Aycliffe, County Durham

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Alnwick, Northumberland

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Dunbar, East Lothian

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Back home and It's a case of having to endure a life not worth living in what is resembling a plot from a dystopian horror movie in which a cloud seeding experiment has gone disastrously wrong.

Even days that are forecast to be sunnier, like today, see cloud just sitting there the entire time for no apparent reason while even the likes of Peterhead and Fraserburgh manage to enjoy sun. In fact everywhere else does because it is only here that is subjected to hellish grey skies every single day. 29 on the trot now, smashing the ludicrous 26 in a row in 2012 that was thought to be so bad for summer it would have no chance of ever being equalled never mind beaten.


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Crepuscular Ray
24 July 2024 09:00:00

Was in London for the weekend enduring more of the same crap as has been suffered here for an eternity. Sun couldn't stay out longer than about 10 minutes at a time. Only difference was it was warmer.

Flight home on Sunday night was cancelled so I ended up being subjected to a 7 hour train journey on Monday from which I was able to enjoy astoundingly varied, interesting and beautiful skies for the entirety of the journey. This is just a taste of what I was treated to. It will have weather enthusiasts all around the world salivating in awe:

Retford, Nottinghamshire

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Tadcaster, North Yorkshire

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Newton Aycliffe, County Durham

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Alnwick, Northumberland

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Dunbar, East Lothian

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Back home and It's a case of having to endure a life not worth living in what is resembling a plot from a dystopian horror movie in which a cloud seeding experiment has gone disastrously wrong.

Even days that are forecast to be sunnier, like today, see cloud just sitting there the entire time for no apparent reason while even the likes of Peterhead and Fraserburgh manage to enjoy sun. In fact everywhere else does because it is only here that is subjected to hellish grey skies every single day. 29 on the trot now, smashing the ludicrous 26 in a row in 2012 that was thought to be so bad for summer it would have no chance of ever being equalled never mind beaten.

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 

It's awful Richard. Edinburgh has had 40% of average sunshine and it's the 24th!!


Jerry

Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill

Bolty
24 July 2024 10:18:27
A lovely day yesterday and a nice start to today. It's also encouraging to see that the models are trending towards a general improvement in the weather, so hopefully this will be a classic case of a backloaded summer with hopefully a very respectable August and a warm September to come. It would be great to get a decent period of good and useable weather before the descent into rubbish begins.
Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

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GezM
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24 July 2024 10:30:01

A lovely day yesterday and a nice start to today. It's also encouraging to see that the models are trending towards a general improvement in the weather, so hopefully this will be a classic case of a backloaded summer with hopefully a very respectable August and a warm September to come. It would be great to get a decent period of good and useable weather before the descent into rubbish begins.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

It would also be good to have some decent longer dry spells across much of the UK before the inevitable autumn deluges begin. Water levels in this area are still high and there isn't much capacity for absorbing heavy rain. This will only get worse as evaporation rates and temperatures drop


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idj20
25 July 2024 09:02:31
Next door had recently gifted me enough top soil to properly level off my back yard and yesterday I've put down £15 worth of grass seed. Now watch how it will not rain for the next six weeks, so if any of us here at Kent are experiencing a drought by this time next month then I'm to blame. 
Home location: Folkestone Harbour.
Jiries
25 July 2024 09:07:00

Next door had recently gifted me enough top soil to properly level off my back yard and yesterday I've put down £15 worth of grass seed. Now watch how it will not rain for the next six weeks, so if any of us here at Kent are experiencing a drought by this time next month then I'm to blame. 

idj20 wrote:

I am having my garden a complete make over with new patio on 16th Sept as the men are available to work so should be good timing as September is reliable month for settled and then some rain to help to water the new turf so i don;'t need to water at all as I am on water meter so rain will do the job and ground won't be so dry at that time of the year.

Saint Snow
25 July 2024 09:19:57

A lovely day yesterday and a nice start to today. It's also encouraging to see that the models are trending towards a general improvement in the weather, so hopefully this will be a classic case of a backloaded summer with hopefully a very respectable August and a warm September to come. It would be great to get a decent period of good and useable weather before the descent into rubbish begins.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

And rain in Manc by the end of the working day.

Today is cloudy once again.


Martin

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Saint Snow
25 July 2024 09:27:34
It looks like I've possibly picked the wrong week to go to Devon  🤬

Both ECM and GEM have a low ruining the first weekend (the end of their runs). GFS has it drier, but the AH only properly ridging well over the UK later in the week, and before we're on the fringe of it.

The general forecast in my mind is:

Friday 2nd (travelling down) - dry, 21-22c

Sat & Sun - mostly cloudy, chance of ppn. cooler. 19-20c

Mon-Wed - dry, sunny spells 21-22c

Thur - fine & sunny, warmer. 23-24c

Fri (travelling back home) - warm & sunny - 25c

And I reckon that weekend and the following week will be the best spell of the summer 


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Col
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25 July 2024 14:36:02

And rain in Manc by the end of the working day.

Today is cloudy once again.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

But today although cloudy has been bright at times and much better than the constant rain that was forecast just a few days ago. That said yesterday was worse than originally expected with quite a bit of rain at times. Swings & roundabouts as they say.


Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

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Jiries
25 July 2024 17:15:14

But today although cloudy has been bright at times and much better than the constant rain that was forecast just a few days ago. That said yesterday was worse than originally expected with quite a bit of rain at times. Swings & roundabouts as they say.

Originally Posted by: Col 

Been cloudy due to the pest south rain sliding and I notice how many times it rain slide to the south this summer more than the Midlands.  Just imagine how much snow they get in the south in winter with those frequent sliders and snow on the ground for many weeks.

Retron
25 July 2024 17:43:45

It looks like I've possibly picked the wrong week to go to Devon  🤬

Friday 2nd (travelling down) - dry, 21-22c

Sat & Sun - mostly cloudy, chance of ppn. cooler. 19-20c

Mon-Wed - dry, sunny spells 21-22c

Thur - fine & sunny, warmer. 23-24c

Fri (travelling back home) - warm & sunny - 25c

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

If you want warm and sunny weather, skip the Westcountry and just come to Kent... we're usually warmer in the summer and this year is no exception. Forecast for Leysdown for the next week, as an example, from the MetO:

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It will end up warmer than that, too. As an example, Saturday has gone from 21C two days ago to 24C today, and even today - we've had 21.6 rather than the 20 that was modelled.


Leysdown, north Kent
Tim A
26 July 2024 08:58:41
London is looking like 29c now for Monday and Tuesday according to Met Office. Bit hot for my sightseeing trip but much better than mediocre weather.  Hotel has air conditioning so all good. 
Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

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Retron
26 July 2024 09:01:43

London is looking like 29c now for Monday and Tuesday according to Met Office. Bit hot for my sightseeing trip but much better than mediocre weather.  Hotel has air conditioning so all good. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

LOL, just wait 'til you get on the Tube. 😂

Hot weather, especially with added humidity, in London sucks, as you'll soon find out!

(The best weather for sightseeing in London is something like tomorrow will be - a bit of a breeze, scattered clouds, highs in the low 20s).


Leysdown, north Kent
Col
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26 July 2024 09:35:12

LOL, just wait 'til you get on the Tube. 😂

Hot weather, especially with added humidity, in London sucks, as you'll soon find out!

(The best weather for sightseeing in London is something like tomorrow will be - a bit of a breeze, scattered clouds, highs in the low 20s).

Originally Posted by: Retron 

So about average for London then. I've always thought that London as a world tourist destination has just about the perfect summer climate for visiting. Not too hot but warm enough to be pleasant almost all the time. A reasonable amount of sun and not that much rain.


Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

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