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squish
31 January 2019 09:39:18
best of luck Dean. You won't feel a thing...and you will gladly be up at 4.30 am to check on the 00z GFS as it rolls in :)

Been there and done that.


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
The Beast from the East
31 January 2019 09:40:09

The latest ECM Op is following where GFS led the way. Not saying that either is correct, but it is yet another case of the ECM being slow on the uptake.

From what I have seen, ECM has been the worst performing model this winter, at least for our neck of the woods.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

But its a cold outlier. The consensus still  for the block to stay out of reach


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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White Meadows
31 January 2019 10:15:44
As has been mentioned, cracking ecm this morning

Will it vanish like a fart in a hurricane this evening?

Place your bets!...

Rob K
31 January 2019 10:21:13

Well if it’s any crumb of comfort, my little daughter is due on the 18th of feb so no doubt the weather gods will make it as difficult as possible!

Originally Posted by: Snowedin3 

Good luck! My son arrived on one of the hottest days of summer 2017 - and 11 weeks early 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Phil 2804
31 January 2019 10:36:50

 

For all it was so exceptionally mild in mid-Feb 1998, it is worth remembering how that month ended.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

 

Ah yes, February 1998 I do recall sitting eating lunch outside Kings College in Aberdeen in a t shirt under clear blue skies and by the beginning of the following week trudging through foot deep snow. 

warrenb
31 January 2019 10:40:31
Well today the ECM is a cold outlier, over the last few days it has been a warm outlier, with the ENS then following. Who knows, maybe the ENS will trend down in a day or two.
marco 79
31 January 2019 10:43:55
Latest Op still generating to much strength on the northern arm of the jet for cold blocking...
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Quantum
31 January 2019 11:18:27
Already seen some unexpected light snow out of the low cloud. It would be amusing if the convective stuff in the north turns out to be snowier than the front.
25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Quantum
31 January 2019 11:29:09
6z para barely had a breakdown at all. Along with the 6z icon it provides cause for some optimism.
25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

wallaw
31 January 2019 11:29:35

Already seen some unexpected light snow out of the low cloud. It would be amusing if the convective stuff in the north turns out to be snowier than the front.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

 

Ties in with what Tim posted in the short term thread from Euro 4. Fingers crossed


Ian

Stockton-on-Tees

The Beast from the East
31 January 2019 11:56:51

Entire 06z suite shifted to mild and wet! Oh dear


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Rob K
31 January 2019 12:09:24

Entire 06z suite shifted to mild and wet! Oh dear

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Yes, combined with the latest Met long-ranger it really does look like whatever arrives tonight will be winter's last gasp. After the weekend we wave goodbye to even sub -5C 850s, barring a few rogue cooler runs.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Gandalf The White
31 January 2019 12:24:57

Well today the ECM is a cold outlier, over the last few days it has been a warm outlier, with the ENS then following. Who knows, maybe the ENS will trend down in a day or two.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 

Not a cold outlier - just amongst the colder options.  An outlier implies no support.  Two distinct clusters still - one suggesting slightly mild and trending milder and the other staying resolutely cold, and still a few runs with ice days.  Another of those occasions where the ensemble mean isn't helpful.  

 

 

Given the turbulence in the model output it would be premature IMO to conclude that there'll be no more cold weather in the next 4-6 weeks.


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130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



David M Porter
31 January 2019 12:28:27

 

Not a cold outlier - just amongst the colder options.  An outlier implies no support.  Two distinct clusters still - one suggesting slightly mild and trending milder and the other staying resolutely cold, and still a few runs with ice days.  Another of those occasions where the ensemble mean isn't helpful.  

 

 

Given the turbulence in the model output it would be premature IMO to conclude that there'll be no more cold weather in the next 4-6 weeks.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Hi Peter

This is exactly the point I have been trying to get across to a few members here who have been adamant in recent days that it's game over for cold in February, to no avail it would appear.

This is not settled yet one way or the other, it would seem today.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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sunnyramsgate
31 January 2019 12:32:54
I'm wondering if it's all to do with what's gone on state side.....resulting in confusion over here
David M Porter
31 January 2019 12:34:45

To pick up further in the points made above about the performance of ECM this winter, IIRC it was less keen a couple of weeks ago on the suggestion that GFS made at that time of an easterly spell commencing last week. From what I recall, ECM kind of flirted with the idea but never bought into it in the way that GFS did for a time. Once ECM showed the atlantic moving back in last week, GFS continued with the easterly for a time but then dropped it too.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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David M Porter
31 January 2019 12:48:13

I'm wondering if it's all to do with what's gone on state side.....resulting in confusion over here

Originally Posted by: sunnyramsgate 

Quite possibly. What I am wondering myself is whether what is happening across the pond at the moment might be in some way related to the recent SSW. No idea though tbh.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Brian Gaze
31 January 2019 12:55:28

London snow row crashes to a new low of 38! I know the index has limitations but it's quite useful for seeing the trend towards a less cold / milder ensemble outlook.  

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/snowrow.aspx?location=London#London

 


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ballamar
31 January 2019 12:57:14

 

Quite possibly. What I am wondering myself is whether what is happening across the pond at the moment might be in some way related to the recent SSW. No idea though tbh.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

 

Yes it looks like it is the SSW - just had an unequal pv split for us which is why it never guarantees cold here. The little pulses of energy have stopped the block to the east influencing us as much the idea behind the forecasts of cold were close but the warming didn’t quite give us the pattern needed. Still some hope on ECM but possibly gone and blenddd with GFS this evening leaving UK in no mans land

Gandalf The White
31 January 2019 13:01:27

I'm wondering if it's all to do with what's gone on state side.....resulting in confusion over here

Originally Posted by: sunnyramsgate 

The plunge of Arctic air into the mid-west has forced the jetstream to dip a long way south over North America. It then races on a NE trajectory into the Atlantic.  How that energy will behave isn't completely predictable, as far as I understand it.


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52.0N 0.1E



fairweather
31 January 2019 13:06:54

Whilst there is still a month of winter to go it looks like after this short current cold snap the next chance isn't likely till the last two weeks of February making this another mild winter overall.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
White Meadows
31 January 2019 13:15:22

 

The plunge of Arctic air into the mid-west has forced the jetstream to dip a long way south over North America. It then races on a NE trajectory into the Atlantic.  How that energy will behave isn't completely predictable, as far as I understand it.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Mild and zonal, one would guess?

The Beast from the East
31 January 2019 14:01:42

 

The plunge of Arctic air into the mid-west has forced the jetstream to dip a long way south over North America. It then races on a NE trajectory into the Atlantic.  How that energy will behave isn't completely predictable, as far as I understand it.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Hope that is the reason for the sudden flip on the GFS 06z, but METO long range also agrees so its probably goodnight Vienna 

 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Hippydave
31 January 2019 14:03:01
I see deep GFS FI has resurrected the northern blocking signal. Flip/Flop. Still no clear trends in far FI although nearer term is broadly supportive of a warm up with low chance of staying cold, ala ECM op and cold cluster in its ens.


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marco 79
31 January 2019 14:22:03
NAO looks to keep fairly (+)

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/new.nao_index_ensm.html 


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