Crepuscular Ray
15 January 2019 11:16:34
Time to roll out my yearly advice. Stick to 5 day Fax Charts....for your mental state, go no further!

I'm walking in the Lakes Friday and Saturday and the MetO Fax Charts are showing me bright, dry, frosty weather. Perfect. I'm hoping the front coming south on Wednesday night will give a dusting to the tops đź‘Ť
Jerry
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Quantum
15 January 2019 11:18:54

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


 


Which is why I feel confident that this particular run has a high probability of verifying. 


 



Indeed. I still think the best rule for model watching goes something like this.


If GFS and ECM both go for Mild then Mild will happen.


If GFS goes for Mild and ECM goes for cold then a disappointing middle will happen (with no snow).


If GFS goes for cold and ECM goes for Mild then Mild will happen


If GFS goes for cold and ECM goes for cold then whichever model is the least cold will happen.


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
15 January 2019 11:20:47

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 

Time to roll out my yearly advice. Stick to 5 day Fax Charts....for your mental state, go no further!

I'm walking in the Lakes Friday and Saturday and the MetO Fax Charts are showing me bright, dry, frosty weather. Perfect. I'm hoping the front coming south on Wednesday night will give a dusting to the tops đź‘Ť


Even that can be bad for your mental state when the UKMO is the only model to go for cold and the FAX charts reflect that and the UKMO is inevitably wrong.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
DPower
15 January 2019 11:27:46

Originally Posted by: fairweather 


 


It isn't. Not if you look at the ensembles and ignore the far reaches that only it shows. If you stick to T+240 and the ensembles it has been quite consistent and no more inconsistent than the other models in the same time frame and if we do not get decent snow and cold next week it will have been the model that hinted at the problem with the ridging of the Azores HP first. With GFS coming out every 6 hours and quoting in the distant unreliable frame it always appears that way. It just comes under more scrutiny when people are looking at possible cold. It is a case of if you say it enough people will believe it and there is too much of that going on these days!



The link I have posted should explain why I think your reasoning is wrong.

Brian Gaze
15 January 2019 11:28:59

Ultra blocking showing up quite widely in the GEFS06z. Looks like a big shift, but don't know whether 850s will reflect it.


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tallyho_83
15 January 2019 11:30:27

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Move away from the 'black hole low' today in the models. Seems like there is a desire to keep HP lingering over the UK next week. So below average temperatures definitely on the cards. Snow watchers are going to be disappointed by the outlook though.


 



So low pressure systems toppling over our HP and going straight into central Europe to give the Alps more snow that they don't need!


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Saint Snow
15 January 2019 11:31:31

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Ultra blocking showing up quite widely in the GEFS06z. Looks like a big shift, but don't know whether 850s will reflect it.



 


Where's the blocking located, though?


 


 



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Brian Gaze
15 January 2019 11:32:17

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Where's the blocking located, though?



 


To the north generally. 


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Brian Gaze
15 January 2019 11:39:26

Here are the GEFS06z (that's the earliest they've ever appeared on TWO).



 


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tallyho_83
15 January 2019 11:39:31

yesterdays 12z para:



Today's 06z PARA



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tallyho_83
15 January 2019 11:40:52

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Here are the GEFS06z (that's the earliest they've ever appeared on TWO).



 



NOT LOOKING GOOD - Mean stays above -5c @ 850hpa once this weekend is out of the way!?


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Rob K
15 January 2019 11:41:35

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Ultra blocking showing up quite widely in the GEFS06z. Looks like a big shift, but don't know whether 850s will reflect it.



Yes the odd hint of northern blocking trying to nose in here and there 



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Easternpromise
15 January 2019 11:43:12

More colder runs for my location in the GEFS than in the 00Z run. From the 24th, seems to be more runs in the -5 to -11 850hpa range than there was previously


 


Location: Yaxley, Suffolk
Arbroath 1320
15 January 2019 11:46:19

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


 


To the north generally. 



Interesting. The 6z GFSP is out to t210 and the jet is raging over the top of the the Azores/UK ridge up into Svalbard. From that run at least, there appears no obvious route to Northern blocking in the foreseeable future!


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Solar Cycles
15 January 2019 11:50:20
Well still no clear route to HLB as of yet and given this winter so far you wouldn’t rule out heights just parking up on top us again.
tallyho_83
15 January 2019 11:51:18

Look at the 06z para  @ 240 with LP directly over the N. Pole:


LP approaching Greenland and Iceland etc..!?


The only good thing is that the azores is no longer there!!



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tallyho_83
15 January 2019 11:53:02

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

Well still no clear route to HLB as of yet and given this winter so far you wouldn’t rule out heights just parking up on top us again.


So no hard frosts either!


 


For Low pressure to go around the high and topple over and then dive down into central Europe and give them the snow when they have already had weeks of it? hmm!! Brexit - Weather doesn't want to include us and really is making us feel like we have left already!


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Rob K
15 January 2019 11:53:21
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfsp/runs/2019011506/gfs-0-264.png?6 

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Saint Snow
15 January 2019 12:14:59

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


To the north generally. 



 


Well that's alright, then.


 



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Saint Snow
15 January 2019 12:18:05

Snow Rows show less snow forecast in Scotland (more a case of it being drier, rather than too mild), increases in the SE.


 





































































































City6z 15/01/190z 15/01/19Change
Inverness274286-12
Newcastle141176-35
Edinburgh136146-10
Glasgow129142-13
Aberdeen127143-16
Liverpool127134-7
Belfast120129-9
Sheffield10695+11
Dublin105103+2
Norwich97101-4
Birmingham9295-3
London8676+10
Brighton7852+26
Cardiff6863+5
Plymouth3526+9

 



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