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Gary L
11 January 2019 07:32:11

 

15/16 Feb 1929 120cm in 15 hrs at Dean Prior on eastern edge of Dartmoor is reckoned the lowland record for GB

Link is to Google Books - easiest to search snowfall record dartmoor 1920..1930

Other heavy snowfalls also listed on the same page

Originally Posted by: DEW 

I thought the record was held by NE Wales, but maybe this was upland. I'll try and dig it up.

Gary L
11 January 2019 07:33:11

Deepest ever lying level snow for a lowland site was Tredegar in South Wales back in 1963 with 165cm - this was cummalative though rather than one from a single snow storm.

Originally Posted by: scillydave 

Maybe this is what I was thinking of actually.

Tim A
11 January 2019 08:00:49

Seems the SW of UK including south Wales has the best chance of 1metre plus falls looking at historic events with fronts coming up from the SW against cold air.
Not sure we could ever get a mega snowfall here in the middle of the UK. Perhaps parts of the east coast could with a persistent streamer.


Tim

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Argyle77
11 January 2019 08:59:33

 

Trevor Harley qujotes 173cm from the same spell, at Huntington Warren nearby. 

Looks like a lovely set-up: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/archive/1929/noaa/NOAA_1_1929021600_1.png

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

Thats the sort of pattern the METO are talking about for later in the month and feb

Saint Snow
11 January 2019 09:43:07

Seems the SW of UK including south Wales has the best chance of 1metre plus falls looking at historic events with fronts coming up from the SW against cold air.
Not sure we could ever get a mega snowfall here in the middle of the UK. Perhaps parts of the east coast could with a persistent streamer.

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

North Wales has had some mega-falls over the years.

Think there was a snow event in the 50s that gave some huge totals in NW England, whilst one of the wartime 1940s events was possibly worse (a train near here crashed into a snow drift deeper than it was tall, I read once)

And the far SE has had some massive falls from the east.


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Darren S
11 January 2019 13:51:38

According to Weather Online, Rudolfshütte in Austria is now up to 349cm of snow. Looks lovely. 

https://www.bergfex.com/uttendorf-weissee/webcams/c12780/

 


Darren

Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)

South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:

2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm

marco 79
11 January 2019 14:01:53

[quote=Darren S;1070802]

According to Weather Online, Rudolfshütte in Austria is now up to 349cm of snow. Looks lovely. 

https://www.bergfex.com/uttendorf-weissee/webcams/c12780/

 

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Rob K
11 January 2019 14:02:16

According to Weather Online, Rudolfshütte in Austria is now up to 349cm of snow. Looks lovely. 

https://www.bergfex.com/uttendorf-weissee/webcams/c12780/

 

Originally Posted by: Darren S 

St Anton is reporting 440cm at the summit station as of today, with another 50cm forecast on Sunday and 58cm on Monday.

 

Actually according to snow-forecast.com there's 189cm of new snow due between now and Monday night. Should be well over 5 metres of snow at the top of the mountain by then, even allowing for compaction.

 

 


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Surrey John
11 January 2019 14:03:05

According to Weather Online, Rudolfshütte in Austria is now up to 349cm of snow. Looks lovely. 

https://www.bergfex.com/uttendorf-weissee/webcams/c12780/

 

Originally Posted by: Darren S 

 

This suggests the mountain at Solden has 394cm (about 13 feet in old measurements)

https://www.bergfex.com/oesterreich/schneewerte/

 

and a few places now have 200cm in the Valley 

 

 


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Gary L
11 January 2019 14:05:37

 

North Wales has had some mega-falls over the years.

Think there was a snow event in the 50s that gave some huge totals in NW England, whilst one of the wartime 1940s events was possibly worse (a train near here crashed into a snow drift deeper than it was tall, I read once)

And the far SE has had some massive falls from the east.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

It was only a few years ago (2013?) NE Wales picked up ~ 50cm of snow in a stalled front situation with SE winds. Not a metre plus but a decent amount.

jhall
11 January 2019 14:19:38

 

North Wales has had some mega-falls over the years.

Think there was a snow event in the 50s that gave some huge totals in NW England, whilst one of the wartime 1940s events was possibly worse (a train near here crashed into a snow drift deeper than it was tall, I read once)

And the far SE has had some massive falls from the east.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Not all in one fall. but some uplands regions in the UK accumulated some considerable depths during the winters of 1946-7 and 1962-3. ISTR that we're talking of 6 feet or so as the greatest in any inhabited place.

Not of that order, but by the beginning of January 1963 we had around 37 cm of lying snow here in Cranleigh. That's probably about double the greatest depth we have had since. It came in three falls: about 17 cm on 26-27 Dec, about the same amount on 29-30 Dec (but with a lot of drifting on that occasion, making the depth difficult to assess), and another 8 cm on the evening of the 31st. I know that adds up to more than 37 cm, but though there was no visible melting I assume there must have been some compaction over that period, and maybe a bit of sublimation too, and 5 cm seems a reasonable allowance for that. As the total depth was substantially more than the maximum that my one foot school ruler could cope with, I could only measure each new fall on a previously cleared surface rather than the total depth.


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Hungry Tiger
11 January 2019 14:56:05

should be some more great photos coming through this next few days.

 


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Saint Snow
11 January 2019 15:12:19

 

It was only a few years ago (2013?) NE Wales picked up ~ 50cm of snow in a stalled front situation with SE winds. Not a metre plus but a decent amount.

Originally Posted by: Gary L 

 

Very much so. We were near Wrexham a full week afterwards, and the snow was still lying around; where it had been bulldozed in car parks, the piles were still taller than me (6') and tens of metres long.

And that was low-lying (in a NE'ly flow)

 

As for Central Europe, this is in the German town of Berchtesgaden


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Norseman
11 January 2019 17:43:42

[quote=Rob K;1070806]

St Anton is reporting 440cm at the summit station as of today, with another 50cm forecast on Sunday and 58cm on Monday.

 

Actually according to snow-forecast.com there's 189cm of new snow due between now and Monday night. Should be well over 5 metres of snow at the top of the mountain by then, even allowing for compaction.

 

 

I ski’ed St Anton one year in the nineties when there was 6 mtrs depth at the top. Some of our group had been out the week prior to our arrival and had virtually no skiing at all because of the avalanche risk. Like this time there were casualties in Austria from avalanches. Looks like this will be a similar event once this weekend snow arrives.

Later in our week the temps rose so there was a lot of deep slush at resort level.

Whether Idle
11 January 2019 17:59:24

Snow and Ice Covering much of the land of the northern hemisphere above 40 degrees north (but not in our longitude!) Notably far south over parts of the middle east, parts of the USA getting away with it, the cold seems very focused on Eurasia with copious snowfalls in the Alps.


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xioni2
11 January 2019 19:46:19

The snow depth chart shows large parts of Greece having more snow than most of Europe

11 January 2019 21:06:19

Some parts of Austria have had 3 metres (10ft) of snow so far this year. The return period for this amount of snow is somewhere between 30-100 years according to this BBC report

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46835677

Looking at data for Schmittenhoehe (which is near Zell-am-Zee) from Ogimet we can see that there has been 279mm of rain equivalent since 30 December, including 68mm in one day. This is almost 12 inches or 1 foot of rain. So that could easily translate to something around 10ft of snow.

http://www.ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=11340&ndays=30&ano=2019&mes=01&day=11&hora=09&ord=REV&Send=Send

Steve Murr
12 January 2019 07:42:35

St Anton is reporting 440cm at the summit station as of today, with another 50cm forecast on Sunday and 58cm on Monday.

 

Actually according to snow-forecast.com there's 189cm of new snow due between now and Monday night. Should be well over 5 metres of snow at the top of the mountain by then, even allowing for compaction.

 

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

I posted the same on NW a few days ago ( Ironic as I used St Anton as well )

Could it be a record?

Well my memory ( distant now ) - when I was at school I would look on Teletext at the weather ( 401-406 ) & on the menu was scottish ski resorts & europe-

The 3-4 years I looked 2 resorts always stuck in my mind for depth- Flaine & St Anton.

The deepest I ever saw for the top runs was about 650CM - This was the same year it was on the news for avalanches, it was quite a big thing then- I am guessing 1990 ish.

Actually 1988

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/1988/mar/11/monarchy.fromthearchive

Rob K
12 January 2019 08:16:55

 

 

I posted the same on NW a few days ago ( Ironic as I used St Anton as well )

Could it be a record?

Well my memory ( distant now ) - when I was at school I would look on Teletext at the weather ( 401-406 ) & on the menu was scottish ski resorts & europe-

The 3-4 years I looked 2 resorts always stuck in my mind for depth- Flaine & St Anton.

The deepest I ever saw for the top runs was about 650CM - This was the same year it was on the news for avalanches, it was quite a big thing then- I am guessing 1990 ish.

Actually 1988

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/1988/mar/11/monarchy.fromthearchive

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 

That's odd because most of the late 1980s were fairly dreadful for snow in the Alps. On our 1990 school ski trip (which I didn't go on but friends did) they had to spend 2 hours in a bus every day to get to any snow. I went for the first time in 1991 and remember stepping off the coach in La Grave into waist deep snow - after we had been stuck outside the resort for hours waiting for the snowplough to clear the road! 


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12 January 2019 08:44:39
The avalanche risk must be as extreme as it can get, due to the short period this has all arrived in, there has been very little chance to even assess what work might be done to make areas safe.

There was a huge avalanche a few years ago which largely destroyed a village on the 'safe' side of a valley by crossing the valley floor - which was barely considered possible.


rickm
12 January 2019 09:47:30

You went on a school ski trip to La Grave Rob

That's pretty hardcore skiing - respect to any school who takes trips there - they wouldn't get away with it now!

On topic, just returned from two weeks in the Tarentaise area and conditions aren't as bad as is being made out, it's just in comparison to the Eastern Alps that the lack of snow is noticed. Looks like the next couple of weeks could rectify this a little though starting tomorrow.

12 January 2019 10:34:53

Latest snow depths at Austrian ski resorts

https://www.onthesnow.co.uk/austria/skireport.html

St Anton at 450cm

Loser Bergbahnen Altaussee has 490cm

Up to a further 100cm forecast in the next week in places, the heaviest snow expected tomorrow and Monday

https://www.j2ski.com/snow_forecast/Austria/

Deep Powder
12 January 2019 13:54:53

 

 

I posted the same on NW a few days ago ( Ironic as I used St Anton as well )

Could it be a record?

Well my memory ( distant now ) - when I was at school I would look on Teletext at the weather ( 401-406 ) & on the menu was scottish ski resorts & europe-

The 3-4 years I looked 2 resorts always stuck in my mind for depth- Flaine & St Anton.

The deepest I ever saw for the top runs was about 650CM - This was the same year it was on the news for avalanches, it was quite a big thing then- I am guessing 1990 ish.

Actually 1988

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/1988/mar/11/monarchy.fromthearchive

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 

Ah Flaine. I have been there many times. The best was the January of 1999. It was the year that the European alps had copious snowfall and there was the serious avalanche in the Austrian Resort/town of Galtur. Anyway, we arrived the second weekend of January and it had just started snowing. It snowed all week. The pisteurs could not handle the level of snow, so much so that piste bashers were out during the day and we were skiing in waste deep snow on marked runs. Our instructor, a flaine local, said we were unlikely to ever see conditions like it again. I have been skiing in France every year since and haven’t yet. By the end of that season, they had had to evacuate the accommodation in the higher part of the flaine Resort on numerous occasions, due to avalanche risks. The snow depth at the top lift was over 600cm of compacted snow by April. Flaine is in its own bowl and has a micro climate perfect for copious snow, for a medium height Resort, it often has snow conditions rivalling those with much greater altitude. Great memories.


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doctormog
12 January 2019 14:22:22

I realise it is not the Alps but I often think that Capracotta In Italy looks good in the snowy and they have had a decent amount in the past week or so 

http://www.capracotta.com/files/cams/falconi/4CsPX6Ly.jpg 

 


Norseman
12 January 2019 14:27:49
https://amz.nwstatic.co.uk/monthly_2019_01/144748296_cursnow_asiaeuropeSnowandIceChartEuropeandAsiaFriday11thJanuary2019.gif.899460fe71229fc1887f928c6bbe4300.gif 

Noticeable that the Low Countries plus Denmark, Southern Sweden, NW Poland and the Northern half of Germany plus almost all of France are snow free like us. I suspect that will change in the next couple of weeks.

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