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White Meadows
08 January 2019 12:54:13
After trudging through a lot of moaning I don’t really see as justified, the output is gathering pace towards something special at the end of this month. Supported by 06z ensembles, in line with the met office text.

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

NAO finally heading in the right direction:

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao_index_mrf.shtml 

That also goes for the AO index:

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao.sprd2.gif 

On the ecm suite one member drops to -20 at ground level!!

And the polar vortex is well & truly, dead shown well here:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=8.87,89.56,276 

Lots to be positive about IMO

tallyho_83
08 January 2019 12:54:41

 

 

Given the distribution of snow, that looks very much like a NW/NNW flow of cold and active air, with a Kent Clipper thrown in for good measure.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

So my question: - why isn't the GFS 06Z run op) run showing this sort of blocked set up because there is quite a difference between the OP FI and Para FI run?

Para looks so blocked compared to OP run.,

 


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White Meadows
08 January 2019 12:57:38

 

So my question: - why isn't the GFS 06Z run op) run showing this sort of blocked set up because there is quite a difference between the OP FI and Para FI run?

Para looks so blocked compared to OP run.,

 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

give it time Tally. I’m sure by the weekend gfs will catch up and be showing some holy grails.

Rob K
08 January 2019 13:23:55

Hopefully before long the op run will chuck out something like P19 of the 6Z GEFS to lift the spirits!


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jhall
08 January 2019 14:24:00

 

So my question: - why isn't the GFS 06Z run op) run showing this sort of blocked set up because there is quite a difference between the OP FI and Para FI run?

Para looks so blocked compared to OP run.,

 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Who knows? Clearly some minor difference in the modelling has had a big impact on this occasion, even though more often than not what the two versions come up with is very similar. If it's true that the Parallel run is intended to take over as the Operational from the start of next month, as someone wrote here a few days ago, then there must be a good chance that it's closer to being correct. Though even the last few operational runs have shown signs of developing a Scandi High right out at T+384. Let that intensify by 10 mb or so over the following day or two, and we could have a really cold easterly setting in.


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Solar Cycles
08 January 2019 14:47:45
Some stonking output in FI now.......

Brian’s 300 countdown has officially begun.😎

nsrobins
08 January 2019 14:49:55
Gavin Ps excellent summary of latest EC 30 day temp trends. Another indication that a major switch is imminent and suggests from 25th Jan an easterly setup might be the preferred method of advecting the cold air our way.


Neil

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Solar Cycles
08 January 2019 14:56:43

Gavin Ps excellent summary of latest EC 30 day temp trends. Another indication that a major switch is imminent and suggests from 25th Jan an easterly setup might be the preferred method of advecting the cold air our way.
https://youtu.be/ELO4DUbqArY

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

We could also be under snow cover by then as well.

I must contain my excitement as I’ve been burnt many times before relying on sumptuous looking charts only to find a damp squib at T-0 hrs. 😁

ballamar
08 January 2019 15:03:28

Hopefully before long the op run will chuck out something like P19 of the 6Z GEFS to lift the spirits!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

I quite liked 14, think optimism can be raised. At least it is fun watching at the moment and usual suspect not t bleating on about zonality pretending they can forecast 4 weeks ahead!!

Rob K
08 January 2019 15:15:27

 

 

I quite liked 14, think optimism can be raised. At least it is fun watching at the moment and usual suspect not t bleating on about zonality pretending they can forecast 4 weeks ahead!!

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Nah, 19 is where it's at... successive midday temps for a random spot in the Midlands of -0.5C, -4.3C, -5.2C and -5.6C  

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=270&y=91&run=6&ext=fr&mode=7&sort=0

 


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nsrobins
08 January 2019 15:49:31
Perhaps we might be seeing the first major reaction to the SSW in ICON at + 180 this afternoon. I’m expecting a steady rise in the solutions that offer HLB after a week of ‘cold zonal’ to come next week.


Neil

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ballamar
08 January 2019 15:52:47
Think the op GFS will join the party tonight which will please some, won’t mention names
Caz
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08 January 2019 16:06:11

We could also be under snow cover by then as well.

I must contain my excitement as I’ve been burnt many times before relying on sumptuous looking charts only to find a damp squib at T-0 hrs. 😁

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

 Paradoxical!  You wouldn’t get burnt because you can’t light a damp squib!  Sorry SC!  It just made me laugh so I had to say!  Fingers crossed for snow cover!  


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Saint Snow
08 January 2019 16:35:11

 Paradoxical!  You wouldn’t get burnt because you can’t light a damp squib!  Sorry SC!  It just made me laugh so I had to say!  Fingers crossed for snow cover!  

Originally Posted by: Caz 

 

Mixingmemetaphores.

I think it's fatal to rabbits.

 

 


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08 January 2019 16:40:15

Already some significant changes on the GFS 12z as early as 228hrs.

Is this the flip coming. Looks like this low wants to dive southeastwards:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_228_1.png


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Russwirral
08 January 2019 16:48:03

The slightest hints of fronts wanting to slide south east than sweep across the UK on this afternoons run.  

 

Netweather GFS Image


Gavin D
08 January 2019 16:50:50

Could be a tad windy down the east coast later next week if GEM was right

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doctormog
08 January 2019 16:58:46
Good to see that things are still on the same trend based on today’s output so far.

Hopefullly the GFSP, ensembles and ECM will also support the change to more unsettled conditions midmonth and then a cooling trend more generally.


Saint Snow
08 January 2019 17:01:02

The slightest hints of fronts wanting to slide south east than sweep across the UK on this afternoons run.  

 

Netweather GFS Image

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

 

The pizza slice looks positively tepid.

 

 


Martin

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tallyho_83
08 January 2019 17:04:28

If only this did materialise - this LP to our south could produce some record amount of snow or wet snow or could be cold rain and sleet near the coast:


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jhall
08 January 2019 17:08:49

If only this did materialise - this LP to our south could produce some record amount of snow or wet snow or could be cold rain and sleet near the coast:

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

I was thinking similarly. Southern England could have a lot of snow, if that was to materialise. But of course it's T+300, so unlikely to.


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RobN
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08 January 2019 17:09:06

 

 

The pizza slice looks positively tepid.

 

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

..and it's got a soggy bottom. Conditions (at least in the south) look marginal for a crisp base.


Rob

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Caz
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08 January 2019 17:11:06

 

 

Mixingmemetaphores.

I think it's fatal to rabbits.

 

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


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Bertwhistle
08 January 2019 17:13:24

 

Nah, 19 is where it's at... successive midday temps for a random spot in the Midlands of -0.5C, -4.3C, -5.2C and -5.6C  

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=270&y=91&run=6&ext=fr&mode=7&sort=0

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

19 was amazing, Rob, as you say, with days on end of -10 uppers and -4 midday temps at some point even far south.

The beauty unrolled slowly after the low giving the deep northerly sank into Europe and produced a good LP-driven E'ly with multiple waves travelling westwards around its N edge.


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Bertwhistle
08 January 2019 17:15:23

 

I was thinking similarly. Southern England could have a lot of snow, if that was to materialise. But of course it's T+300, so unlikely to.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

Wasn't the March 1891 low like that- the one that put 100ft drifts in Tavy Cleave (Dartmoor)?


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