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Rob K
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07 January 2019 08:56:07

I'm a day or two late with this anniversary post but never mind!

December 2010 gets all the attention, but in this part of the world it is January 2010 that I will remember, for a snowfall that ranks as the best since the early 1980s.

It was also something of a surprise, only being picked up by the models a couple of days in advance during what had looked to be a cool but dry northerly spell. Suddenly the charts showed an area of low pressure heading SW out of Scandinavia on the night of January 5th:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/archive/2010/noaa/NOAA_1_2010010518_1.png

 

By the time I got off the train at Fleet station about 11.30pm on the 5th it was already pelting down with snow and there was three or four inches on the platform: https://i.imgur.com/IwOtHwW.jpg

 

Snow piling up at home: https://i.imgur.com/HJdSxzi.jpg

 

Back garden on the morning of the 6th: https://i.imgur.com/dj6Cbwe.jpg

 

And the street outside:

https://i.imgur.com/I6AP1xD.jpg

Wyndhams Pool on Yateley Common: https://i.imgur.com/AVaPiUI.jpg

Midday on the 6th: 22.5cm on the pavement outside: https://i.imgur.com/xJ0MAov.jpg

 

I think this was a fairly localised event, but there were unofficial reports of 35-40cm from further south in Hampshire/Surrey eg around Haslemere, as I recall.

 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Ally Pally Snowman
07 January 2019 09:13:18

Great event , you were definitely in the sweetspot for that. I was living in Ally Pally North London at the time we got about 10cm .

 Synopticly its not far off what we could get about the 20th. We can hope anyway.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Deep Powder
07 January 2019 09:28:06

Great post Rob. In Leatherhead we had 15cm. Just up the road, edge of the downs, towards Effingham and Guildford there was more like 20cm. At this time I had a work colleague who lived in Farnham, further south. A reliable type, not given over to hyperbole etc. and he said they had over 30cm from this fall, so 35 to 40cm, possible I would have thought.

Great spell of weather......


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Loving the weather whatever it brings, snow, rain, wind, sun, heat, all great!

LeedsLad123
07 January 2019 09:31:14
A good month for cold and snow. Hard to believe that it's 10 years next year.
Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
johncs2016
07 January 2019 09:42:39
I can certainly remember the snow at the beginning of 2010 as well as at the end of that year and if my memory serves me right, there was actually still some snow left over from those earlier falls on the day of the summer solstice on many of the Scottish mountains during that year. We then had what ended up being a rather poor summer before the snow then returned at the end of November during that year, and carried on through that December (thus producing, what is now referred to as the December to remember).

That particular year was of course, an odd one out in terms of what each year was generally like during that period and of course, it came right at the beginning of this current decade (the 2010s) which is now currently in its final year, and which has then gone on to be a rather poor decade for cold and snow, overall.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

Rob K
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07 January 2019 09:58:11

The best part about this spell was that it was followed by sunny cold weather which meant that rather than turning to slush, the snow compacted on the roads to give crisp white scenes you normally expect to see in the mountains: https://i.imgur.com/j63ZIkR.jpg

And the icicle crop was amazing. This was on January 9, three days after the original snowfall: https://i.imgur.com/bkOfS14.jpg

 

Also on January 9 I was able to get the skis out and hit the slopes of Basingstoke... Dave Ryding eat your heart out 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Russwirral
07 January 2019 10:11:14

Thatvwas the last time ot snowed deep in wirral. When i say deep... we had approx7 or 8cms. Has been nothing more than 3 or 4 cms falls since then.

I remember this well as Liverpool got shut down. I think it caught the forecasters out with the sheer intensity.


Rob K
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07 January 2019 10:26:07

 

Thatvwas the last time ot snowed deep in wirral. When i say deep... we had approx7 or 8cms. Has been nothing more than 3 or 4 cms falls since then.

I remember this well as Liverpool got shut down. I think it caught the forecasters out with the sheer intensity.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

Not as localised as I thought then! I assumed it was a SE only event.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Tim A
07 January 2019 10:46:08
I think it was a national event?

My pics and memories are similar to Rob's. Compact snow on the streets that did not melt for days and low temperatures. 15 to 20cm snow around these parts. Central Leeds had deep snow cover which was relatively rare in the decade up to that point.


Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

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jhall
07 January 2019 11:01:10

If it's the occasion I'm thinking of, in Cranleigh we had about 10 cm fall in just a couple of hours on the Saturday morning. (That was definitely in Jan 2010, but apart from recalling that it was a Saturday I couldn't tell you the date.) A year or so later there was an article in Weather about the snowfall, which IIRC was pretty localised to Hampshire and the home counties to the south and west of London. However there was more than one heavy snowfall event that month, and maybe some people are thinking of a different one.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Saint Snow
07 January 2019 11:36:04

 

 

Not as localised as I thought then! I assumed it was a SE only event.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

No, not localised at all - in fact I think it was pretty widespread over most of the country.

I think the timing caught many unawares, as you say - I certainly was. We'd just had a great spell of winter weather in the lead-up to and into Xmas, with snow on the ground from 19th Dec through to 28th with several falls adding up to around 10cm (the thaw had set in on the 27th here). I was more than happy for that to be it - after all, we'd got the nirvana of Xmas snow. I didn't give the charts more than a brief look over Xmas and expected no snow whatsoever. I wasn't really expecting such a quick return of colder conditions, either.

So when my missus got out of bed on the Tuesday morning and told it was snowing, it came as a surprise - and I had no idea if this was going to be a brief shower or if it were localised or what. As an aside, I think I prefer the 'not knowing' way!!

As I'd not bothered clearing paths of snow in the pre-Xmas snowfall and they'd become frozen solid ice-rinks which took a lot of effort to belatedly clear, I decided to get up straight away and clear the snow. It was about 5cm deep by this time (7am) and still falling heavily. My daughters came out to 'help' me and we set to work. Then we made a snowman. And had a bit of a snowball fight. The upshot was that by the time I came back into the house, it was getting late and the snow was up to around the 10cm mark. A quick shower and dressed, then out at around 8am. The drive to the M62 normally takes me 8-10 mins; that morning it took 20. The motorway was crawling. I called my boss to tell him I was stuck on the motorway inching along but would be in, albeit a little late. He asked whereabouts I was and I fibbed to make it seem I was further along than I was to give the impression I'd set out earlier than I had. I said I was just past j11, which is the last junction before a stretch of around 8 miles that takes you to the outskirts of Manchester. "Oh, that's a shame; if you hadn't passed it, I'd have told you to turn round and go home, there's hardly anyone in the office and they might shut it. I'll let you know if anything changes).

It was made worse when, about 15 mins later, having genuinely just passed j11, he called back to tell me the office was shutting and I should turn round when I could. I had to struggle on for the next half an hour, stop-start, heading away from home, seeing the westbound carriageway moving OK. The missus then called me - the eldest's school was shut and she'd had to book a day's 'emergency leave' with her work.

I got home around half-9 and the snow was still piling down. It actually got even heavier for a spell, then stopped about 11am. In all, the level depth was 17cm, the deepest I've ever measured - although I think we've had deeper a few times when I was a lad and never used to measure depth.

The snow stayed on the ground for a few weeks, too, until the end of Jan. On a couple of local supermarkets, they'd used a digger to clear the car park and created huge snow piles; these lasted until well into Feb. For Manchester, it's the deepest I've seen snow in the city centre.

In terms of actual snowfall here, it was the best one of my adult life, and probably top 3 in my whole 46 years. The Dec 10 snowfall was only 1cm less deep, and happened it the absolute best time during a superb spell of weather, so beats it for overall superbness.

But the Jan 10 fall was amazing, and gave me my first (and only, to date) snow day off work ever.

 

 


Martin

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Aneurin Bevan

Brian Gaze
07 January 2019 11:56:56

Plenty of snow in Berkhamsted too. Around here the period from mid Dec 2009 to mid Jan 2010 was far better for snow than Dec 2010. In fact I would suggest that locally it could have been the snowiest month of weather since 1979.


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Darren S
07 January 2019 12:54:58

The snow event we had in Central Southern England was caused by a secondary low off Dorset. I recall that earlier in the day (Tuesday 5th January) the most snow was forecast for Wiltshire/Dorset, but then the forecast moved it 80 miles east or so, with me in the sweet spot. I was working in Tunbridge Wells that day, I knew it was coming, I had to make sure I got home in time as it gradually spread eastwards. The snow just started falling as I was coming along the M3 at about 6.30pm, a covering was just evident as I came off Junction 4A, and by the time I got home to Arborfield there was about 1cm or so. I then watched in pleasure as the snow piled up at over 1 inch per hour through the evening.

I recall from the time that there were several smaller bands of snow that affected different parts of the country. There was one that hit the Bristol area a day earlier, and a separate one that moved in from the Irish Sea into Saint's vicinity on the Tuesday morning. Neither of these were from the low that hit CS England which came Tuesday evening / night, but it did prove the adage "Get the cold in place and the snow will come".

As Rob said, the sunny days and icicles afterwards were spectacular. We had 23cm of snow at home, the most in our area since at least 1963 (I wasn't around then), and it ranks up there as my best UK snow ever, alongside January 1982 in Cirencester. Here's my wife in the fields near our house...


Darren

Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)

South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:

2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm

Joe Bloggs
07 January 2019 12:59:37

Fantastic memories.

Deepest snow in Manchester since December 1981, possibly the most snow I’ll ever see in the city for the rest of my life. 

Started snowing about 9pm on Monday 4th, continued all night, and most of the day on the 5th.

A fall of about 18cm at home in Stockport, only slightly less in the city centre. 

As rare has hens’ teeth! 

Great photos Rob. :) 

Joe Bloggs
07 January 2019 13:03:55

 

 

No, not localised at all - in fact I think it was pretty widespread over most of the country.

I think the timing caught many unawares, as you say - I certainly was. We'd just had a great spell of winter weather in the lead-up to and into Xmas, with snow on the ground from 19th Dec through to 28th with several falls adding up to around 10cm (the thaw had set in on the 27th here). I was more than happy for that to be it - after all, we'd got the nirvana of Xmas snow. I didn't give the charts more than a brief look over Xmas and expected no snow whatsoever. I wasn't really expecting such a quick return of colder conditions, either.

So when my missus got out of bed on the Tuesday morning and told it was snowing, it came as a surprise - and I had no idea if this was going to be a brief shower or if it were localised or what. As an aside, I think I prefer the 'not knowing' way!!

As I'd not bothered clearing paths of snow in the pre-Xmas snowfall and they'd become frozen solid ice-rinks which took a lot of effort to belatedly clear, I decided to get up straight away and clear the snow. It was about 5cm deep by this time (7am) and still falling heavily. My daughters came out to 'help' me and we set to work. Then we made a snowman. And had a bit of a snowball fight. The upshot was that by the time I came back into the house, it was getting late and the snow was up to around the 10cm mark. A quick shower and dressed, then out at around 8am. The drive to the M62 normally takes me 8-10 mins; that morning it took 20. The motorway was crawling. I called my boss to tell him I was stuck on the motorway inching along but would be in, albeit a little late. He asked whereabouts I was and I fibbed to make it seem I was further along than I was to give the impression I'd set out earlier than I had. I said I was just past j11, which is the last junction before a stretch of around 8 miles that takes you to the outskirts of Manchester. "Oh, that's a shame; if you hadn't passed it, I'd have told you to turn round and go home, there's hardly anyone in the office and they might shut it. I'll let you know if anything changes).

It was made worse when, about 15 mins later, having genuinely just passed j11, he called back to tell me the office was shutting and I should turn round when I could. I had to struggle on for the next half an hour, stop-start, heading away from home, seeing the westbound carriageway moving OK. The missus then called me - the eldest's school was shut and she'd had to book a day's 'emergency leave' with her work.

I got home around half-9 and the snow was still piling down. It actually got even heavier for a spell, then stopped about 11am. In all, the level depth was 17cm, the deepest I've ever measured - although I think we've had deeper a few times when I was a lad and never used to measure depth.

The snow stayed on the ground for a few weeks, too, until the end of Jan. On a couple of local supermarkets, they'd used a digger to clear the car park and created huge snow piles; these lasted until well into Feb. For Manchester, it's the deepest I've seen snow in the city centre.

In terms of actual snowfall here, it was the best one of my adult life, and probably top 3 in my whole 46 years. The Dec 10 snowfall was only 1cm less deep, and happened it the absolute best time during a superb spell of weather, so beats it for overall superbness.

But the Jan 10 fall was amazing, and gave me my first (and only, to date) snow day off work ever.

 

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I could well be wrong, but I remember reporting snow about 9pm on the Monday night, and it started as a streamer off the Irish Sea in a very narrow band. I think you initially missed out but it was only overnight into the 5th that the whole of the NW joined the party. 

I will never forget that night - didn’t sleep a wink. 

A few nights later, -18C was reported at Woodford, just down the road from me. 

Jeff
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07 January 2019 13:22:25
Hi All,

These links should keep you busy until the 20th or so of this month

2009/2010 - Winter in general.

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/wea.735 

Snow and gales in eastern England from a North Sea polar low: 6/7 January 2010

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wea.740 

Jeff


On the East/West Sussex Border

70m ASL

roadrunnerajn
07 January 2019 13:24:09
Yep remember that event well. Sleety soft hail turned to snow over night Tuesday 5th into the 6th giving us in west Cornwall 7-10cm. It stayed cold all day with further heavy snow showers on the 7th. The cold spell finally finished on Sunday evening 10th. However further snow was expected that Sunday evening but we got slightly milder air mixed in from the SE giving us rain.
Germoe, part of the breakaway Celtic Republic. 80m asl
Solar Cycles
07 January 2019 13:25:04
We had 5” nothing out of the ordinary considering but oh boy what would I give for those 5” now. 😜
Bolty
07 January 2019 13:25:08
Can't believe that it will be 10 years since that event next year. I remember it well. I let the dog out on the Monday evening (4th) and fairly heavy snow began to fall. About an inch of snow already lay from a snowfall on the 2nd, and I had been off school that day because of that (I was only in secondary school then). I hadn't seen the forecasts so it caught me by surprise and I certainly didn't know it was to last all night. After that I went to bed and it was still snowing at coming up to 23:00. Back in 2010, the house behind us had a large row of hideous conifers at the end of the garden, and I remember waking at first light on the Tuesday morning to seeing them completely covered in snow, with nearly a foot of it on the ground. Since my school was on top of a hill, I knew I'd be off for the next week, which was good. That day the whole street built a giant snowman about 15 feet tall. That was the year when the Christmas holidays lasted three and a half weeks.

In terms of wintry weather, I think January 2010 stands out more than December 2010 for me, since it recorded a deeper snow depth, a lower temperature and it was the first time I'd seen anything remotely like it. In fact mid-December 2009 to mid-January 2010 is probably the wintriest month I've ever experienced. Had it actually coincided with a calendar month, like the December 2010 cold did, then I'd imagine it would be a lot more famed on here.


Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

My weather station 

Saint Snow
07 January 2019 15:10:52

 

I could well be wrong, but I remember reporting snow about 9pm on the Monday night, and it started as a streamer off the Irish Sea in a very narrow band. I think you initially missed out but it was only overnight into the 5th that the whole of the NW joined the party. 

I will never forget that night - didn’t sleep a wink. 

A few nights later, -18C was reported at Woodford, just down the road from me. 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

 

I think I was in a post-Xmas lull of weather interest, probably not expecting a snowy re-load so quickly, and so was likely not reading much on TWO. I certainly didn't know Manchester was getting snow on the evening of the 4th.

I'd actually assumed the snow came on a bit of a frontal feature that spread SE'wards over the whole country, and hadn't realised there were a few different features and that different areas got snow at different times over that 2/3 day period.

 


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

howham
07 January 2019 15:23:46

This was my house at the time (I think on 7 January 2010).  Copious amounts of snow.  We really were spoiled here with Dec 09/Jan 10 and Nov/Dec 2010.

Russwirral
07 January 2019 15:41:56

Liverpool received about 3 inches that day.  The heaviest fall of snow we have had here on Wirral/Liverpool for about 15 yrs.  Not beaten since either.

Liverpool ground to a standstill with councils and forecasters caught out.  My brother was trapped in his car for 8 hrs on Erksine Street.  It was his birthday too.  Didnt get home til 11pm.  I ended up going out with food and drink to "rescue" him.  (bathroom break)

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KevBrads1
07 January 2019 16:08:21

One of those events that I will never forget. It started snowing just after dark and through the evening of the 4th January they were snow showers off and on. The showers seem to be getting heavier and heavier as the night went on and had already left a reasonable covering as when I went to bed, so I expected a covering to wake up to next morning. When I woke up and looked outside, I didn't expect to see how deep it was.  There was a break from the snow in the morning period but the snow came back late morning until dusk, adding to the covering.

It was chaos, I can't recall the Greater Manchester area almost grinding to a halt. The whole of Granada Reports that evening was just on the snow chaos for the region. 

Blue skies, deep snow and the temperatures, it got down to -16.5C were unforgettable.

I walked on the Moss to take photos of this event that morning.

 

 


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Saint Snow
07 January 2019 16:09:27

Don't know if PhotoBucket still allows hotlinking, but I'll give it a go anyway. This [hopefully] was my back garden around 10am:

UserPostedImage 

 


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

KevBrads1
07 January 2019 16:12:36
Granada Reports that evening, Fred Talbot is on it.

BBC forecast from 5th January 2010


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