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Chunky Pea
04 December 2018 11:53:59

Could we’ll be the case Russ, we really need those heights to be centred favourably for fronts  to slide underneath or at least take a NW/SE trajectory.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

Yes, but what about those 'pizza slices'? Could they throw a spanner in the aul works? 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Rob K
04 December 2018 11:55:47

 

Yes, but what about those 'pizza slices'? Could they throw a spanner in the aul works? 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Four Seasons in one day...


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Whiteout
04 December 2018 12:10:41

Good overnight runs, a good chance now of a short sharp cold snap followed by a milder interlude then hopefully a more meaningful cold spell helped by upper atmosphere events 


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Gandalf The White
04 December 2018 12:42:29

ECM 00z ensemble for London

 

Quite a significant change from the 12z with markedly more uncertainty about the cold spell that may/will/could start next Monday.  The solid clustering has been diluted and there's more scatter, so clearly uncertainty about the build and positioning of the blocking high.

At least the op was not without support.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Rob K
04 December 2018 12:49:02
GFSP breaks down the Scandi High but then reinflates it again by the end of the run.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Saint Snow
04 December 2018 13:14:16

Could we’ll be the case Russ, we really need those heights to be centred favourably for fronts  to slide underneath or at least take a NW/SE trajectory.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Spot on.

How many times have we had the Atlantic go over the top of a high that's built in from the east, toppling the high and diverting the colder air into Europe? Worst possible scenario. Much better to have the energy go under the high to keep the block to our north, a la Jan 2010


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

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Russwirral
04 December 2018 13:45:12

 

Yes, but what about those 'pizza slices'? Could they throw a spanner in the aul works? 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

 

Pizza slices usually fold up into occluded snowfests in the face of a strong block....

These situations develop very rapidly and land within a few days of appearing on the charts, so always attracts a degree of excitement.  The foundation blocks to enable this - i would say, is almost there... 

 

we just need that injection of cold air out of the artic/siberia....  

 

the latest run almost gets there (you can see a plunge about to skim off northern scandinavia)

Netweather GFS Image


Russwirral
04 December 2018 13:54:14

 


Spot on.

How many times have we had the Atlantic go over the top of a high that's built in from the east, toppling the high and diverting the colder air into Europe? Worst possible scenario. Much better to have the energy go under the high to keep the block to our north, a la Jan 2010

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

 

In the past thats mainly been due to a certain European HP which aims the energy above the block, and essentially allowing the scandi HP to link into the EURO and die.

This season has been all about the lack of European Highs, (touch wood) Theres been alot of unsettled weather in the Med since last year.

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ballamar
04 December 2018 14:07:43

 

 

In the past thats mainly been due to a certain European HP which aims the energy above the block, and essentially allowing the scandi HP to link into the EURO and die.

This season has been all about the lack of European Highs, (touch wood) Theres been alot of unsettled weather in the Med since last year.

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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

 

Was expected to be slightly more unsettled in Med given the sea temps hopefully it can last

Solar Cycles
04 December 2018 14:53:36

 

 

In the past thats mainly been due to a certain European HP which aims the energy above the block, and essentially allowing the scandi HP to link into the EURO and die.

This season has been all about the lack of European Highs, (touch wood) Theres been alot of unsettled weather in the Med since last year.

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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

In the western Med there as not sure about the eastern side of the Med, which is where we want to see a fall in pressure?

Gavin D
04 December 2018 15:43:48
12z ICON still not interested in anything overly cold for the UK
wallaw
04 December 2018 15:45:35

12z ICON still not interested in anything overly cold for the UK

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

I'm starting to get the impression that you quite enjoy posting that?


Ian

Stockton-on-Tees

Rob K
04 December 2018 16:03:27

12z ICON still not interested in anything overly cold for the UK

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

It's the spoiler HP over the Alps that does it. (Remember the Berne pressure index?!)


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Gavin D
04 December 2018 16:05:18

UKMO and ICON 12z both have similar ideas with that low west of Iceland

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Rob K
04 December 2018 16:21:02
GFS12Z looks much more promising for cold than either of those.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

nsrobins
04 December 2018 16:42:06
GFS again serves up frontal potential from the disruptive slider. -5C uppers will be adequate for frontal snow with a continental surface flow.
Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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Gandalf The White
04 December 2018 16:52:33

 

It's the spoiler HP over the Alps that does it. (Remember the Berne pressure index?!)

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Of Course, that was from the days of the eternal Bartlett pattern.  Nothing remotely like that on the cards - so far.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Russwirral
04 December 2018 16:54:22

Theres signs of that cold block i was talking of.  The cold air looks alot more established (but needs improving) a broader swathe of cold air takes hit into Scandi.

fronts are forced under the block, but quickly give i an upper cut as its perhaps not strong enough just yet - needs to establish itself a bit, more, also missing an injection of seriously cold air... Still looking weakish from a cold air pOV

 

Very progressive though and very encouraging to see... this is only a week away!

Netweather GFS Image


Russwirral
04 December 2018 17:00:11

These charts to me always give a good indicator of how cold the air is.  0* Isotherm.  Or rather how much its taken hold of the land mass.

 

You can see the same time, 6z vs 12z (right) the cold air seemingly a bit more in control.  More purples and less fractures please :)

Another Month and it would be all pruples rather than mixed immature cold air with blues in.

 

Netweather GFS ImageNetweather GFS Image


Russwirral
04 December 2018 17:11:58

Sorry about the 3rd post in a run....

 

But had to also post this.... Remember all those LRFs that Gavin has been posting on his videos... all those +Pressure anomalies to the north that have been absent for actual charts recently... that we scratched our heads at the lacking of....

 

well look who joined the party... finally

 

 

http://www._________/charts/gfs/euratl/charts/meanslp_anom_20181204_12_324.jpg?

 

edit: I take it WXcharts are liked on here?  Image wont post


Crepuscular Ray
04 December 2018 17:26:38

Meanwhile in the short term..... Friday for the central lowlands of Scotland looks interesting. The synoptic from the Meto shows a depression of 963mb over the NW highlands with quite a pressure gradient. This could produce wind gusts of over 80mph.

Originally Posted by: roadrunnerajn 

Should be nice wandering round Edinburgh's Christmas Markets 😲


Jerry

Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill

Bertwhistle
04 December 2018 18:16:26

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gfs/12_384_mslp850.png?cb=158

Note that the lows pictured are in the descendant (southwards) as the HAB asserts itself step, by painful step. Date wise and set up wise, I hear Bing Crosby crooning in the background.

(The easterly/ NEly pattern looks to be trying to set up earlier than this. The trouble is at the end of the run, the Atlantic depressions are scarce- and I don't actually go for that easily. More credible if they were there in true number, but disrupted somewhat).


Bertie, Itchen Valley.

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Whiteout
04 December 2018 18:37:09

GFS again serves up frontal potential from the disruptive slider. -5C uppers will be adequate for frontal snow with a continental surface flow.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Yes Neil, seems to be a recurring theme  Ecm holding firm so far.


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Whiteout
04 December 2018 18:40:33

ECM T+168 Scandi high, solid run again.


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Whiteout
04 December 2018 18:43:49

T+192 = bingo!! Sorry can’t post chart.


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