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Gandalf The White
01 December 2018 10:20:42

 

yes a likely scenario, the heights to the south remain stubborn and not favourable, however it should add some brief interest. GFS notably wet for a period too, could be some flooding about if it were to verify 

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

It’s worth noting that heights to the south don’t guarantee mild weather much more than heights to the north guarantee cold: it depends on the positioning and other factors.  If the zone of upper heights to the south is displaced south or west it’s not an issue.

In that snapshot the high is off the coast of Northern Africa.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Gavin D
01 December 2018 11:44:07

06z maintains the north/south split for temps as it has done for a number of days now

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Gandalf The White
01 December 2018 15:51:08

The ECM 00z ensemble for London:

As with yesterday's 12z there is a clear cooling trend from the very mild conditions at times in the coming week to progressively colder next weekend. The main cluster keeps it cold thereafter, with daytime maxima under 5C and overnight frosts. Another cluster develops are returns us to average temperatures for mid-December.

After the current rainfest fizzles out it becomes drier:

 

There's quite good agreement at T+168 for low pressure over Scandi and high pressure to the east of Greenland, supporting the marked cool down evident on the ensemble.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Karl Guille
01 December 2018 16:36:45

GFS 12z looking promising fro a Scandi at T210!


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Gandalf The White
01 December 2018 16:42:05

GFS 12z looking promising fro a Scandi at T210!

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

I would prefer it to hold between Iceland and Scandi.  If the heights topple east then there's the risk of the jet breaking down the block.

Here at T+228 it is looking OK.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



tallyho_83
01 December 2018 16:43:11

GFS 12z looking promising fro a Scandi at T210!

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

-10c @ 850hpa on this 12z run knocking on the doorstep of Northern Scotland!?

Uk would have had enough Pizza Express slices by then.


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Karl Guille
01 December 2018 16:45:55

Eye candy only at this range but looking pretty good at T240!


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Brian Gaze
01 December 2018 16:50:01

Where did that come from?


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Gandalf The White
01 December 2018 16:52:53

Where did that come from?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Some variation on that evolution has kept popping up in recent runs - but there's no consistency yet.

As ever, it will be interesting to see how the ensemble looks - and how ECM evolves, as the mid-Atlantic surge of upper heights gets going by day 8.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Karl Guille
01 December 2018 17:23:01

Potential support for the 12z Op in the short ensembles!

Diagramme GEFS


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Russwirral
01 December 2018 17:25:01
After some surprise appearances and vanishes of cold content over the past few days i cant take the current output with a massive degree of confidence.

That said... it does feel like we are inching our way towards something colder be it by an easterly or northerly.... i can smell cold weather...


Heavy Weather 2013
01 December 2018 17:37:22
Slight perk up in interest as we enter the festive season.
Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

David M Porter
01 December 2018 17:40:21

Potential support for the 12z Op in the short ensembles!

Diagramme GEFS

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Karl Guille
01 December 2018 17:46:51

Half a dozen runs in support of the Op and an interesting finish to the Control.  Probably the best ensemble run I've seen so far this winter.

Diagramme GEFS


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Bertwhistle
01 December 2018 17:47:55

Where did that come from?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Hah- before I read your post Brian that was my exact question- to the letter, literally. High thinning and stretching northwards, then leaning east, rather than toppling east as soon as it took hold. Wintry around the coasts, but the max temps still forecast at 2 or 3 C.

I'll have a look at the ENS now to see if the op is just partner-switching at the ball.


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Retron
01 December 2018 17:53:04

 

I'll have a look at the ENS now to see if the op is just partner-switching at the ball.

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

One of those occasions where the ensemble suite flips to cold.

I'll be interested to see if that signal is maintained tomorrow!


Leysdown, north Kent
marco 79
01 December 2018 17:55:38
Op goes for -10c at 850 hectapascals.. but 14 days out for England extensively (12z)..some dramatic changes in latest run....some support for ENS...Control was a cold outlier on the 06z....something to watch....
Home : Mid Leicestershire ...135m ASL
doctormog
01 December 2018 17:55:57
It is markedky different to the previous GFS op run at that point and therefore as things stand of little more than interest value. Yes it could happen but so could almost anything else at that range given the variability
ballamar
01 December 2018 18:01:12

It is markedky different to the previous GFS op run at that point and therefore as things stand of little more than interest value. Yes it could happen but so could almost anything else at that range given the variability

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

 

just goes to show a high confidence in any output is futile at the moment although given the pattern this year HP being close has to be slight favourite 

tallyho_83
01 December 2018 18:03:51

Half a dozen runs in support of the Op and an interesting finish to the Control.  Probably the best ensemble run I've seen so far this winter.

Diagramme GEFS

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

Winter is only a day old 🙂 So no surprise on that!

But yes more promising for cold and snowy winter fans - we needed something to give us hope!

I still expect more chopping and changing though/. What is evident is that there is a ridge /block as we head towards mid month and some models have us on the milder pizza slice side of the block where as others have us on colder side like on the 12z run.

Look forward to the ECM update and what the 18z run shows and see if this trend is consistent and has cross model agreement by tomorrow? 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Chunky Pea
01 December 2018 18:13:42

the milder pizza slice side of the block 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Another 'in' MO terminology that I have never heard nor know the meaning of, but I'll pretend to just to stay 'hip'.


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

JACKO4EVER
01 December 2018 18:40:51
GFS flip flop- a slight eyebrow raised. I find it very good at spotting pattern changes. I expect this to be dropped tomorrow, perhaps re-visited in a few days time. Some interest for sure.
Gandalf The White
01 December 2018 18:56:31

ECM 12z for next Saturday looks very similar to yesterdays 12z


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



ballamar
01 December 2018 18:57:49
Lovely end to ECM potential for cold spell to develop
Gandalf The White
01 December 2018 18:59:03

End of the ECM 12z run

Some consistency in wanting to push upper heights to our north.  Not as significant as GFS but some support nonetheless for this kind of evolution.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



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