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tallyho_83
27 November 2018 23:01:00

From N. Hemisphere /N. Pole view down:

Just love how the low undercuts the block and begins to drag in some bitterly cold air at the end of the 18z run:

 

 

 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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tallyho_83
27 November 2018 23:03:21

That’s normal Tally.
It’s the blue finger in the top right you want to keep an eye on. Always much less likely, but interesting to see a big Siberian high and a westward push of cold being programmed here and there amongst the models ...

Originally Posted by: squish 

 

Yes just looking and it's only one run but we are so close to dragging in Siberian air!! Love how the Siberian HP retrogresses westwards into Northern Scandinavia or the fact that the Siberian High is so big and strong that it helps build the block over Northern Scandinavia and Svalbard as well as Iceland and even into Greenland. 

 


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CreweCold
27 November 2018 23:27:34

The warning signs keep popping up in the models that we may be about to see a rather (prolonged) wintry spell in the upcoming weeks.

The huge Siberian HP in the nearer term is the harbinger of what is, in my opinion, about to unfold as we progress deeper into winter.

The area of heights shown on the 18z between Scandi and Greenland is likely to be a repeating theme this winter, it's a pattern which is seen in some of the most notoriously cold winters. It's a stable pattern which can bring prolonged cold to our shores. It also fits in very well with the available seasonal guidance at present.

Buckle up everyone, could be a long winter ahead :)


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Whether Idle
27 November 2018 23:34:31

The warning signs keep popping up in the models that we may be about to see a rather (prolonged) winter spell in the upcoming weeks.

The huge Siberian HP in the nearer term is the harbinger of what is, in my opinion, about to unfold as we progress deeper into winter.

The area of heights shown on the 18z between Scandi and Greenland is likely to be a repeating theme this winter, it's a pattern which is seen in some of the most notoriously cold winters. It's a stable pattern which can bring prolonged cold to our shores. It also fits in very well with the available seasonal guidance at present.

Buckle up everyone, could be a long winter ahead :)

Originally Posted by: CreweCold 

Agree to some extent.  Whilst not a certainty by any stretch, the FI signal is there and it could happen, the second half of December could end up being really frigid. Interesting times.


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squish
27 November 2018 23:41:02
I'll take perturbation 8 out of the 18z set 🙂
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White Meadows
28 November 2018 06:33:31
Raging cyclosis prevails again on the 00z for the foreseeable. 🤢🤢🤢
Brian Gaze
28 November 2018 07:14:13

GFSP again more interesting for coldies than GFS op. Wouldn't read anything into that myself, it's purely the luck of the draw.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfsp.aspx

GEFS paint quite an unsettled picture with a slightly weaker signal for high pressure over the UK than some of the recent updates.  

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=mslp&lglocation=london

 


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Brian Gaze
28 November 2018 07:17:17

 

Brian - I am sure it was yourself or Doc WHO mentioned last year about a UK pizza slice when describing the weather pattern whenever the UK is in a warm sector or on the warmer side of the block?

does this chart showing warm uppers describe what you refer to as the triangular pizza slice? -The UK is triangular anyway and funny how it fits nicely into the wrath of warmer uppers and milder air. 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Yes I copyrighted the pizza slice pattern.  Your chart shows that sort of thing.  

 


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Gooner
28 November 2018 07:22:10

From a cold POV I don't see anything to excite at the moment, very early days of course . My own opinion is I'd rather have January cold than late Nov/Dec cold.

 

 


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Joe Bloggs
28 November 2018 07:29:09

The warning signs keep popping up in the models that we may be about to see a rather (prolonged) wintry spell in the upcoming weeks.

The huge Siberian HP in the nearer term is the harbinger of what is, in my opinion, about to unfold as we progress deeper into winter.

The area of heights shown on the 18z between Scandi and Greenland is likely to be a repeating theme this winter, it's a pattern which is seen in some of the most notoriously cold winters. It's a stable pattern which can bring prolonged cold to our shores. It also fits in very well with the available seasonal guidance at present.

Buckle up everyone, could be a long winter ahead :)

Originally Posted by: CreweCold 

I always see you as a glass half empty kind of person 😉 so this post is surprising! 

Personally I don’t see much to be positive about looking at the NWP, at the present time. Lots of opportunity for change, of course.

Yes the seasonal models look favourable for a cold winter, but we often see this being completely wrong, year after year after year. 

Ally Pally Snowman
28 November 2018 07:30:10

Very poor outlook this morning , we can write off the next 2 weeks and the Pros want to write off the following 2 after that. Late December at the earliest for anything of interest for Coldies would be my bet this morning.  


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doctormog
28 November 2018 07:45:25
To be honest the outlook seems rather typical for late November/early December, a period not really famed for wintriness. Mostly unsettled with nothing notable in terms of temperatures one way or the other (probably marginally above over all).
briggsy6
28 November 2018 08:19:13

Well looking at the BBC 7 day forecast earlier Ark building is the form horse. Rain, rain and more rain sums it up - we're certainly paying the price for that dry summer now..


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JACKO4EVER
28 November 2018 08:23:16
Morning all, a very poor outlook is on the cards for cold weather fans in the next two weeks and perhaps a little longer if some commentators are to be believed. As I have been mentioning for over a week now, the prospect of flooding becomes a real risk should things pan out as expected.
Gavin D
28 November 2018 09:06:16

Well looking at the BBC 7 day forecast earlier Ark building is the form horse. Rain, rain and more rain sums it up - we're certainly paying the price for that dry summer now..

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

A wet winter would be just what the doctor ordered reservoirs desperately need topping up. A high pressure dominated winter would mean big problems by next spring.

David M Porter
28 November 2018 09:31:51

GFSP again more interesting for coldies than GFS op. Wouldn't read anything into that myself, it's purely the luck of the draw.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfsp.aspx

GEFS paint quite an unsettled picture with a slightly weaker signal for high pressure over the UK than some of the recent updates.  

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=mslp&lglocation=london

 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

From what I can see, the ECM 00z op looks a little more interesting for coldies too compared to its GFS counterpart. Looks to have to jet stream travelling on a trajectory that looks slightly further south than shown by GFS.


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ballamar
28 November 2018 09:33:10

Very poor outlook this morning , we can write off the next 2 weeks and the Pros want to write off the following 2 after that. Late December at the earliest for anything of interest for Coldies would be my bet this morning.  

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

 

i would have a big bet that will not be the case. There is still lots of change afoot in the charts and winter is not even here yet!!

Russwirral
28 November 2018 11:00:52
Blimey, I didnt think it could look any more dire... But by the looks its front after front after front, with little in the way of that HP for next week really showing itself at all.

This is quickly heading down hill towards a 2014/2016 start to winter


Gavin D
28 November 2018 11:35:58

Above average temps showing quite widely from Germany westwards

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moomin75
28 November 2018 11:39:00

Blimey, I didnt think it could look any more dire... But by the looks its front after front after front, with little in the way of that HP for next week really showing itself at all.

This is quickly heading down hill towards a 2014/2016 start to winter

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

It looks pretty horrendous and zonal now for sure. This will be as we know a very tough rut to get out of.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

ballamar
28 November 2018 16:33:19
Slight interest on GFS run up to 200 hrs
ballamar
28 November 2018 16:44:23

Slight interest on GFS run up to 200 hrs

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

 

Scandi High?

Brian Gaze
28 November 2018 16:45:12

 

Note: There was an issue with precipitation type charts < 51 hours on the GEM 12z run today. Should be fully working from tomorrow's 00z update at the latest. 

 


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nsrobins
28 November 2018 17:49:09

 

 

Scandi High?

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Some interest on the ENS set with the -10 850s (London) appearing again later on.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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Retron
28 November 2018 17:54:03

 

Some interest on the ENS set with the -10 850s (London) appearing again later on.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Yup, the control runs shows how quickly it could in theory flip to a colder pattern. At least there's the odd cold outlier to keep things from being completely dull!


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