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White Meadows
27 November 2018 12:53:25

Models are consistently going for HP to build next week, but no real sign of upper cold temps. An outside of the HP linking into something colder, but that not really influencing the UK all that much.

Frosty and Foggy start to December it will be then.


On a plus side, only a few weeks to go until the days start getting longer.. :)

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

Yep, can’t wait for Spring already. Usually really excited this time of year but a lot of hopes have been dashed with December originally looking quite promising for coldies. 

Long term signals apparently point to rain and strong winds after a transient uk high. 

Saint Snow
27 November 2018 13:41:30



On a plus side, only a few weeks to go until the days start getting longer.. :)

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

 

Love summer, but I never want the dark nights to end - and they always seem to do so quicker and quicker. I love those late December days where it never gets properly light. Makes you want to cosy-up in a small room with a big fire.

 

I see the MO is changing again to offer a glimmer of hope.


Martin

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Chunky Pea
27 November 2018 14:24:28

Love summer, but I never want the dark nights to end - and they always seem to do so quicker and quicker. I love those late December days where it never gets properly light. Makes you want to cosy-up in a small room with a big fire.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Love the long dark nights myself, yet they always fly by so quickly. The longer daylight hours always seem to last longer in the year to the point of seeming never ending. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

wallaw
27 November 2018 14:55:43

 

 

Love summer, but I never want the dark nights to end - and they always seem to do so quicker and quicker. I love those late December days where it never gets properly light. Makes you want to cosy-up in a small room with a big fire.

 

I see the MO is changing again to offer a glimmer of hope.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

On this we agree Martin

it just seems better somehow if it's nice and cold rather than mild, wet and dark.

As you say though, a glimmer of hope for mid December now


Ian

Stockton-on-Tees

LeedsLad123
27 November 2018 16:52:34

 

 

Love summer, but I never want the dark nights to end - and they always seem to do so quicker and quicker. I love those late December days where it never gets properly light. Makes you want to cosy-up in a small room with a big fire.

 

I see the MO is changing again to offer a glimmer of hope.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I like the cosiness of this time of year too, but I can do without waking up in darkness and coming home in darkness, especially on days like today where it's raining which makes it even darker. It's more tolerable in December due to Christmas, but once January arrives, unless we actually get a good spell of snowy weather or high pressure with frost and sparking winter sunshine, I'm more than eager for spring.


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Russwirral
27 November 2018 17:05:34
what little signs we had of pressure building next week is reducing, and being replaced by more unsettled Atlantic fronts., with the odd ridge of high pressure in between.

Weekend looks to be a washout for England and Wales...

Mudfest beckons.


Quantum
27 November 2018 17:08:30

Saturday needs watching. Potential snow event on the northern edge of that.

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

idj20
27 November 2018 17:11:53

what little signs we had of pressure building next week is reducing, and being replaced by more unsettled Atlantic fronts., with the odd ridge of high pressure in between.

Weekend looks to be a washout for England and Wales...

Mudfest beckons.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 



Doesn't help that pool after pool of deep cold keep moving further & further south over the States on the other side of the pond thus firing up the mid-Atlantic cyclogenesis machine and we here at the UK end up with the arse end of low pressure systems. Once such a pattern is set up, it's going to be difficult to move away from that.

It'll be easier to admit we'll have a better chance of a 2014-type winter rather than one laden with "beasts from the east", this way we won't get too disappointed.


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Saint Snow
27 November 2018 17:16:45

Saturday needs watching. Potential snow event on the northern edge of that.

 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

 

Russ will be in a warm sector

 

 


Martin

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Saint Snow
27 November 2018 17:18:26



Doesn't help that pool after pool of deep cold keep moving further & further south over the States on the other side of the pond thus firing up the mid-Atlantic cyclogenesis machine and we here at the UK end up with the arse end of low pressure systems. Once such a pattern is set up, it's going to be difficult to move away from that.

It'll be easier to admit we'll have a better chance of a 2014-type winter rather than one laden with "beasts from the east", this way we won't get too disappointed.

Originally Posted by: idj20 

 

Depends on the track of the Lows, I always think. If we can get good northerly blocking and lows tracking sufficiently south, then we can reap some good snow.


Martin

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JACKO4EVER
27 November 2018 17:28:05
The faint hopes of the clutching of straws has sadly turned to clutching of a single straw with the latest output. It’s not looking good from a coldies point of view, plenty of rain on offer too- flooding could become a risk
idj20
27 November 2018 17:54:37

Saturday needs watching. Potential snow event on the northern edge of that.

 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



Unfortunately that set up would bring southerly gales to the South East.

Again.


Home location: Folkestone Harbour.
Ally Pally Snowman
27 November 2018 17:56:08

the GFS Para once again produces a massive Scandi high and a stonking easterly. It's consistent,  consistently wrong?

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Brian Gaze
27 November 2018 18:18:27

I've switched the TWO GFSP download back. Charts can be viewed here:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfsp.aspx

The 12z run finishes with this.

 

 

 


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Arcus
27 November 2018 19:22:57
ECM delayed in dissemination this evening... "ECPDS hanging - currently under investigation".
Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Rob K
27 November 2018 20:23:01
A flabby easterly on the GFSP, or "cold zonality" on the standard GFS. All change in 6 hours, no doubt.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Quantum
27 November 2018 20:25:27

Before people lament the scandi being shown in FI probably never materializing I'd point out that if this was +96h away you'd probably be very disappointed. The airmass is cold but a slack flabby high with cold uppers isn't going to bring much (if any) convection and the boundary layer will have plenty of time to warm up over the north sea.

Taken literally that's steely grey skies  and 5C for most (occasionally 0C when there is any fog about).

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

White Meadows
27 November 2018 20:26:34

the GFS Para once again produces a massive Scandi high and a stonking easterly. It's consistent,  consistently wrong?

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Believe that at your peril, Ally

it seems this Atlantic spell could go on til 2019

BJBlake
27 November 2018 20:57:16

Of all the GFS purtibations, there are many blocked ones, at least a third of all outputs, so the chance of a new block developing is probably still 33% or more! and that is better than many winter models have shown for last 3 decades - 2009/10 excepting. I think I can small an easterly - I feel it in my waters!! However, they are like a butterfly, a rare and gentle thing at a time of year when the jet resembles a runaway fire truck.   I am sadly old enough to remember the brilliant winter of 1970-71, when we had a deep frozen high pressure and plenty of snow right through Christmas - magical: stomping through frozen drifts, and snow un-salted, hard packed on the lanes where I lived, some like pre-prepared sledge runs - and we indulged. 

It's time we had another year like that...we deserve it for the years of model watching in hope...

come you Scandinavia-high!!


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
Brian Gaze
27 November 2018 21:07:58

ECM op 12z is running and the ENS mean has completed. 


Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

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tallyho_83
27 November 2018 22:48:18

ECM op 12z is running and the ENS mean has completed. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Brian - I am sure it was yourself or Doc WHO mentioned last year about a UK pizza slice when describing the weather pattern whenever the UK is in a warm sector or on the warmer side of the block?

does this chart showing warm uppers describe what you refer to as the triangular pizza slice? -The UK is triangular anyway and funny how it fits nicely into the wrath of warmer uppers and milder air. 

  


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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squish
27 November 2018 22:49:03
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_324_1.png 

This scenario keeps popping up ...


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
ballamar
27 November 2018 22:50:54
Good old Rocky IV scenario come on Drago
tallyho_83
27 November 2018 22:51:57

Again in FI - The triangular pizza slice heads towards the UK:


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Magical Moon

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squish
27 November 2018 22:57:57
That’s normal Tally.

It’s the blue finger in the top right you want to keep an eye on. Always much less likely, but interesting to see a big Siberian high and a westward push of cold being programmed here and there amongst the models ...


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl

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