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Caz
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17 July 2018 11:39:18

That's 47 days and counting, which is a longer drought than 1976 (45 days in Teignmouth). Still a long way to go to beat the all-time record though - you need to make it to August 12!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

That’s just IMBY though Rob, not an official station and last Friday while we stayed dry, there was a downpour 4 miles away.  Plus, we have had two days when we’ve had a light shower but nothing measurable.  So I don’t know if my 47 days actually count as drought.  

Is there an official definition?  

 


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Hungry Tiger
17 July 2018 13:03:43

Still not a single spot of rain despite the forecast for thundery rain yesterday evening. It did get gusty and cloudy as if it might materialise but it passed as quickly as it came!  The last measurable rain was 30th May but apart from that, May was very dry.

Originally Posted by: Caz 

Blimey - You're heading for over 2 months with zero rainfall. That's incredible.

 


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Rob K
17 July 2018 14:43:22

That’s just IMBY though Rob, not an official station and last Friday while we stayed dry, there was a downpour 4 miles away.  Plus, we have had two days when we’ve had a light shower but nothing measurable.  So I don’t know if my 47 days actually count as drought.  

Is there an official definition?  

 

Originally Posted by: Caz 

 

Answering my own questiion from earelier:

 

partial drought

In British climatology, a relative drought period of at least 29 consecutive days during which the average daily rainfall does not exceed 0.01 in.

 

absolute drought

In British climatology, a drought period of at least 15 days during which no measurable daily precipitation has fallen.


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Gusty
17 July 2018 15:50:47

29 days of absolute drought.

40 days of relative drought.


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Caz
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17 July 2018 16:53:26

Answering my own questiion from earelier:

partial drought

In British climatology, a relative drought period of at least 29 consecutive days during which the average daily rainfall does not exceed 0.01 in.

 

absolute drought

In British climatology, a drought period of at least 15 days during which no measurable daily precipitation has fallen.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Oh crikey!  I have had no measurable rain for, what was it?  47 days?  So I am having an absolute drought of a time!  

My garden isn’t amused though! 


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Stolen Snowman
17 July 2018 21:43:41

 

Yes, torrential rain here yesterday evening and what do I wake up to this morning? A hosepipe ban. You really couldn't make it up.

Originally Posted by: Col 

 

Of course a single day’s rain is never going to provide the millions of gallons needed to recharge reservoirs in the NW of England, particularly as the surrounding ground is so dry. Interesting to see the remains appearing of flooded villages on the news.

Last appreciable rain here was late May though there’s been a few spots to spoil the clean sheet. Highly droughty but not absolute is the current status.


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snowish
17 July 2018 22:07:24

a lot of rainfall last night here in Burnley, and yes CRT are closing locks on the leeds liverpool canal from the end of July. That could scupper my sailing holiday next month . However as Baldrick said "I have a cunning plan"


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18 July 2018 04:57:18

 

 

Of course a single day’s rain is never going to provide the millions of gallons needed to recharge reservoirs in the NW of England, particularly as the surrounding ground is so dry. Interesting to see the remains appearing of flooded villages on the news.

Last appreciable rain here was late May though there’s been a few spots to spoil the clean sheet. Highly droughty but not absolute is the current status.

Originally Posted by: Stolen Snowman 

Very true, but it's the irony of it that struck me and it's not the first time it's happened either. See also 'interviews with water company officials next to depleted reservoirs being carried out in the pouring rain'. I don't expect the ban it be rescinded because if it.


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KevBrads1
18 July 2018 08:49:34

More rain fell on the 15th July 1976 over SE England than what has been recorded thus far this summer.


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18 July 2018 09:46:44

The 1893 drought and partial drought spanned what for many areas are typically the driest months of the year, though May can be very different I know.

This year it's through the summer months when the stronger sun brings the caveat that it takes more to keep the showers at bay.

So by that measure it may be the most impressive drought we have on record?

Depends what it takes to impress you I suppose .

 

30 days and counting with only trace amounts of rainfall here. 47 days with less than 1 mm (which for my own records is considered a reasonable measure of drought at this time of year, given that much of that 1 mm is lost to evaporation).


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NMA
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18 July 2018 19:27:42

For what it's worth I will say that for me this drought is more impressive than that in 1976 in its longevity. 1976 was notable as it occurred after a dry winter and with very depleted ground and surface water stocks the situation of course became dire in many places.

Having read those Met office reports on the model thread you can see just how dry this summer is compared to 1976 at least in Dorset and probably many parts of Southern England too. If we had had God forbid a dry winter, I think the situation here this year would be worse than 1976. Taking into account the population increase I believe we would be experiencing at the very least widespread standpipes and greatly reduced industrial output if this dry summer had come after a dry winter.

There have been several notable fires in recent days in Dorset generally barn/grassland/heath arson? events including a barn fire last Monday that covered the Dorchester area in a dense haze so much so I woke at 3am and had a look outside to see if the house was on fire. And we live over four miles from the blaze. 

So to me this summer is now Historic in its dry longevity.


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golfingmad
18 July 2018 20:08:43

For what it's worth I will say that for me this drought is more impressive than that in 1976 in its longevity. 1976 was notable as it occurred after a dry winter and with very depleted ground and surface water stocks the situation of course became dire in many places.

Having read those Met office reports on the model thread you can see just how dry this summer is compared to 1976 at least in Dorset and probably many parts of Southern England too. If we had had God forbid a dry winter, I think the situation here this year would be worse than 1976. Taking into account the population increase I believe we would be experiencing at the very least widespread standpipes and greatly reduced industrial output if this dry summer had come after a dry winter.

There have been several notable fires in recent days in Dorset generally barn/grassland/heath arson? events including a barn fire last Monday that covered the Dorchester area in a dense haze so much so I woke at 3am and had a look outside to see if the house was one fire. And we live over four miles from the blaze. 

So to me this summer is now Historic in its dry longevity.

Originally Posted by: NMA 

Completely agree. Certainly here in East Anglia things are extremely dry. All the grass is dying off and some trees are now in distress and shedding leaves.

Of course it is important to consider what has gone before, for instance whether the preceding winter was wet or dry. 1976 was severe in terms of the effects of drought simply because the drought was exacerbated by the preceding warm summer and dry winter. Certainly with regard to today, the increased population here in Eastern England compared to 1976 is also a salient point. 

But at the end of the day it is the statistical facts of the meteorological summer months which count. Clearly from June up to today the drought is more severe than 1976. In terms of the CET summer series, or whatever other meteorological series that may be used, this is all we need to look at and focus on in terms of the current severe drought.


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Caz
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18 July 2018 20:22:28

For what it's worth I will say that for me this drought is more impressive than that in 1976 in its longevity. 1976 was notable as it occurred after a dry winter and with very depleted ground and surface water stocks the situation of course became dire in many places.

Having read those Met office reports on the model thread you can see just how dry this summer is compared to 1976 at least in Dorset and probably many parts of Southern England too. If we had had God forbid a dry winter, I think the situation here this year would be worse than 1976. Taking into account the population increase I believe we would be experiencing at the very least widespread standpipes and greatly reduced industrial output if this dry summer had come after a dry winter.

There have been several notable fires in recent days in Dorset generally barn/grassland/heath arson? events including a barn fire last Monday that covered the Dorchester area in a dense haze so much so I woke at 3am and had a look outside to see if the house was one fire. And we live over four miles from the blaze. 

So to me this summer is now Historic in its dry longevity.

Originally Posted by: NMA 

Yes, I think we’ve had less rainfall this year and the summer of ‘76 followed a previously dry year so the drought was more predictable.  This year, water levels were OK until recently, so it’s happened suddenly.  Some authorities are saying their supplies are OK, but given the forecast they might want to revise that as the demand is bound to rise!  

The other thing to note is our water usage has increased since 1976.  We had twin tub washing machines and did three or four loads in the same water. Now we have automatic washers and condenser dryers.  We have dishwashers and car washes and it all adds up to a much greater volume of usage that empties reservoirs!  

[edit] ..... and yes, as golfingmad says, our population has increased!


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NMA
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19 July 2018 06:08:44

a lot of rainfall last night here in Burnley, and yes CRT are closing locks on the leeds liverpool canal from the end of July. That could scupper my sailing holiday next month . However as Baldrick said "I have a cunning plan"

Originally Posted by: snowish 

As did this person.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-44869566

 


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Caz
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19 July 2018 07:28:12

 

As did this person.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-44869566

 

Originally Posted by: NMA 

Oops!  Bet they thought they’d got a drought or something!  


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Phil 2804
19 July 2018 12:18:35
Day 46 of absolute drought. Can honestly say I've never experienced anything like this in my life. If we don't get a storm tomorrow realistically we could easily get to 60 days given current forecasts.
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19 July 2018 17:17:08

Only a few spits and spots of rain yesterday and a few spits today in Exeter - that's it!!!


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Caz
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19 July 2018 19:27:03

Yesterday all three of my weather apps were showing rain for me tomorrow.  Now only the BBC app is showing it.  I’ve lost count of the number of times that’s happened this summer.  


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LeedsLad123
19 July 2018 19:43:42

Well I'm relieved that the latest output shows the the rain tomorrow associated with the front largely dying before getting here, and the latest Met Office forecast also reflects that, and they now only show light rain in the evening, down from heavy rain. Arome shows less than 0.5mm. Seems to deposit its load over Scotland, NI and Cumbria and then fizzles out.


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Northern Sky
19 July 2018 20:30:12

Well I'm relieved that the latest output shows the the rain tomorrow associated with the front largely dying before getting here, and the latest Met Office forecast also reflects that, and they now only show light rain in the evening, down from heavy rain. Arome shows less than 0.5mm. Seems to deposit its load over Scotland, NI and Cumbria and then fizzles out.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

Relieved?

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19 July 2018 20:45:54
I’m expecting the drought since May 28 in my location to break tomorrow. Shame as the chance to break to record was there.
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LeedsLad123
19 July 2018 20:55:34

 

Relieved?

Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

Yes, very - rain sucks. Keep it well away from here.


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Jiries
19 July 2018 20:57:40

Well I'm relieved that the latest output shows the the rain tomorrow associated with the front largely dying before getting here, and the latest Met Office forecast also reflects that, and they now only show light rain in the evening, down from heavy rain. Arome shows less than 0.5mm. Seems to deposit its load over Scotland, NI and Cumbria and then fizzles out.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

Even if the rain doesn't come down to your area we need to see clouds break up and go away than leaving lot of clouds around as i seen before from dying fronts leaving way too much clouds around than active fronts does.  I wonder if we will beat the 73 dry days in Mile end being beaten this year.

Northern Sky
19 July 2018 21:12:47

 

Yes, very - rain sucks. Keep it well away from here.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

Well each to their own I suppose but the plants and animals are desperate for some rain. To me the dying brown vegetation and trees losing leaves in July is not a good sight. I'm also sick of having to water the garden everyday.

Even one of my cats sat outside in the rain for an hour on Monday!

ChrisJG
19 July 2018 21:22:01
Interesting developments this evening. United utilities have submitted applications to DEFRA to ask that they supplement Haweswater by withdrawing water from Ullswater, Windermere and Ennerdale water. This is what they call the Drought Orders.

Practically how they do this is what interests me! Also what’s interesting is the blue green algae that is present in these lakes this summer will be sent down to Manchester 😀 🤢🤮


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