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Rob K
29 December 2016 00:02:14

Met Office showing their true colours tonight with confirmed westerly QBO for the foreseeable winter phase.
I expect (with a heavy heart) a sizeable downgrade tomorrow 😩😤🤧😭

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Why? The QBO was about as westerly as it gets during Nov and Dec 2010 and it didn't seem to matter then!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Gandalf The White
29 December 2016 00:07:15

ENS also looking good

P 1 (ish ) , 2 , 3 ( Belter ) , 4 ( ish later )  , 12 , 13 , 14 (ish ) , 15 , 17 , 18 ( lovely ) , 19 ( teasing Easterly later ) , 20

Some decent ones in that , only looked after 192 so well into FI , still plenty to play for.........................and be pleased about

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

The Op delivers virtually a week of ice days for London. I don't recall seeing anything that sustained for a long while.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Rob K
29 December 2016 00:08:20

 

The Op delivers virtually a week of ice days for London. I don't recall seeing anything that sustained for a long while.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Cold but not the sort of cold that will please many on here I'm afraid...


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Gooner
29 December 2016 00:14:55

Not a bad night all in all Marcus!

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

Fairly decent Karl I'd say

Even more so your lot won


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Gooner
29 December 2016 00:16:39

 

Why? The QBO was about as westerly as it gets during Nov and Dec 2010 and it didn't seem to matter then!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

And that is a great reminder to all that even if something is against us we can still get something wintry to the UK


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Gandalf The White
29 December 2016 00:29:08

 

Cold but not the sort of cold that will please many on here I'm afraid...

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

LOL.  Maybe, but the snow probability line on the ensemble runs up to 30% on occasion and is >0 for all of week 2.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



moomin75
29 December 2016 04:57:56
Quite interesting 0z in FI. Mighty close to a proper Beast from the East.
Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Karl Guille
29 December 2016 05:55:19

Yes, plenty of easterly options in FI, including this monster in Pert. 20!
http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gens-20-1-300.png?0

Generally, things have changed very little this morning save for the fact that the initial cold blast on New Years Day looks as though it will be a blink and you'll miss it event in the far south.
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2016122900/gfs-1-114.png?0

Round 2 seems to keep things interesting for the eastern side of the U.K. before a half hearted attempt to set up that easterly.

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2016122900/gfs-0-210.png?0
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2016122900/gfs-0-312.png?0

Judging by the ensembles there are a few runs that make a better fist of it! The Operational is certainly one of the milder runs initially but then nestles back below the mean as we enter FI.
http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/graphe_ens3.php?x=313&ext=1&y=127&run=0&runpara=0

Great model watching again this morning but all rather FI IMBY. Best just sit back and enjoy the ride!


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Whether Idle
29 December 2016 06:05:17

My view this morning on the GEFS is that FI sets in as early as t72 as there is considerable scatter in the ensembles early on, much more so than normally.

Having said that, the cold snap around 2 Jan is still on course, but its snow delivery potential is muted as other have attested to.

Beyond that, the GEFS now suggest a second cold snap peaking around 7-8 January (five days after the first) from a similar scenario, so expect it to be a fairly  dry , though it must be said there is the potential for the second bite at the cherry to deliver a bit more longevity than the first, possibly extending into a drier,colder spell, with a mid-lat high and possibly a glancing blow of cold for the SE.  But more runs are needed and we need to get much closer to the time before making any firm predictions.

Beyond that, well, well in Fantasy Island people will see what they want to see, barely 3 runs deliver a true easterly, so I am exercising caution.

WI

 

 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gusty
29 December 2016 06:36:55

My view this morning on the GEFS is that FI sets in as early as t72 as there is considerable scatter in the ensembles early on, much more so than normally.

Having said that, the cold snap around 2 Jan is still on course, but its snow delivery potential is muted as other have attested to.

Beyond that, the GEFS now suggest a second cold snap peaking around 7-8 January (five days after the first) from a similar scenario, so expect it to be a fairly  dry , though it must be said there is the potential for the second bite at the cherry to deliver a bit more longevity than the first, possibly extending into a drier,colder spell, with a mid-lat high and possibly a glancing blow of cold for the SE.  But more runs are needed and we need to get much closer to the time before making any firm predictions.

Beyond that, well, well in Fantasy Island people will see what they want to see, barely 3 runs deliver a true easterly, so I am exercising caution.

WI

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


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Gusty
29 December 2016 07:07:27

A shame its ECM 240 hours (again) but for me this chart is awesome and would no doubt go on to a notable easterly.

PV over Baffin.

Energy spilling SE'wards in the western Atlantic

Huge Mid Atlantic ridge with a good dose of warm air advection 

A huge arctic high extension appearing

Pressure dropping away over Italy.

Surely our time will come....surely ?

 

 


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Whether Idle
29 December 2016 07:15:42

A shame its ECM 240 hours but for me this chart is awesome and would no doubt go on to a notable easterly.

PV over Baffin.

Energy spilling SE'wards in the western Atlantic

Huge Mid Atlantic ridge with a good dose of warm air advection 

A huge arctic high extension appearing

Pressure dropping away over Italy.

Surely our time will come....surely ?

 

 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

A decent chart there Steve, well in FI.  Just keep and eye out on whether the second northerly plunge is accompanied by a falling of pressure over the western Med and Iberia.  Unless the pressure falls there (which is a tough call)  I cannot see any easterly of note. More runs and a dose of caution needed?


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
JACKO4EVER
29 December 2016 07:51:30
Morning all.

Some eye candy in FI whilst the usual downgrades apply nearer the time.

All very typical.

doctormog
29 December 2016 08:15:36

Morning all.
Some eye candy in FI whilst the usual downgrades apply nearer the time.
All very typical.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

I guess you are half right. Interesting FI yes, but downgrades nearer the time?

There have only been very small changes in the output for the start of the new year, and beyond that the details are changing as you would expect.  

Two northerlies in some form of anticyclonic sandwich has been the trend for days now. That trend continues.


White Meadows
29 December 2016 08:15:47
The elusive classic easterly remains a mirage today.

I'd say we're really close syponotically speaking but as always it's over a week down the line and subject to vanish on the next run.

Bertwhistle
29 December 2016 08:39:10

Met Office showing their true colours tonight with confirmed westerly QBO for the foreseeable winter phase.
I expect (with a heavy heart) a sizeable downgrade tomorrow 😩😤🤧😭

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Can't see that downgrade yet...


Bertie, Itchen Valley.

Retire while you can still press the 'retire now' button.

marting
29 December 2016 08:44:45
It looks like ECM op run was on the warmer side for the first 10 days, awaiting extended ensembles.

Martin


Martin

Greasby, Wirral.

Gavin D
29 December 2016 09:08:29
@MattHugo81

Some very interesting longer term clusters from the 00Z EC ENS this morning, Scandy highs, to Greenland blocks and poss E'ly flow.

Phil G
29 December 2016 09:29:39
Just been through the latest ECM and GFS charts and would say overall these are the best runs so far. For me its the word potential and feels like Winter is about to take its grip. Not that's its bad out there right now looking at a white landscape and well sub zero still.

Gooner
29 December 2016 09:36:23

Weather type GFS Mo 02.01.2017 06 GMT

Might please a few


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



roger63
29 December 2016 09:41:01

Morning all.
Some eye candy in FI whilst the usual downgrades apply nearer the time.
All very typical.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

Looking at GEFS ENS there are already signs of ENS shifting towards ds lees cold.At 360h around a third are cold Scandi nor gGreenalnd HP,a third are back to westerly flows and a  third variable location HP

Of  course there is still hope of .something coming offbut I would be happier whwn an dif the METO monthly  if the extended METO stars to mention snow.

David M Porter
29 December 2016 09:41:06

 

And that is a great reminder to all that even if something is against us we can still get something wintry to the UK

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Indeed, Marcus. It just goes to show that whether or not we get a decent wintry spell during any given winter in this country is not dependant on one factor in isolation.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody." – Thomas Paine

doctormog
Solar Cycles
29 December 2016 10:00:46

 

Indeed, Marcus. It just goes to show that whether or not we get a decent wintry spell during any given winter in this country is not dependant on one factor in isolation.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Quite right Dave, with the flip side of that being how many times have certain teleconnections been favourable for cold yet have failed to deliver for this part of the world. Steady as she goes is the operative word this morning.

roger63
29 December 2016 10:14:07

Weather type GFS Mo 02.01.2017 06 GMT

Might please a few

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

.

Certainly pleases me.Presume this is the Op run?Snow also shows up on some of the GEFS eg pert 19.

Much depends on whether  the small LP shown on som perts develops.The snow you are showing  is  essentially  back end of front activity?

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