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Shropshire
17 December 2015 12:32:50

The models remain very poor, I doubt if deep down anyone really expects a change from this mild regime for the rest of the winter. 


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Tractor Boy
17 December 2015 13:04:33

The current output, albeit fascinating from a temperature record point of view, remains frustrating for the lack of cold but also the lack of much to discuss in terms of synoptic change.

In a vague attempt to discuss the Model Output there does seem to be continued signs of a pressure rise to our east after Christmas turning our wind direction more southerly and resulting in the rise of 850hPa temps as seen in the GFS ENS. However, as can be seen from the 2m temps, this does not necessarily equate to a rise in temps at the surface, especially under HP if centred more to the west. Ok, a southerly is not going to produce a winter wonderland, but the HP influence may bring temps back to average.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png 


Dave

Farndale, North York Moors

17 December 2015 13:04:57
The charts are getting depressing for me!

Why is that Euro High so dominant? What is needed to shift it? My skiing holiday is looking doomed already; Ill need an amazing amount of snow there in the first two weeks of January!

Gooner
17 December 2015 13:13:28

The models remain very poor, I doubt if deep down anyone really expects a change from this mild regime for the rest of the winter. 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

I do


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Banbury

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JACKO4EVER
17 December 2015 14:03:03

The charts are getting depressing for me!

Why is that Euro High so dominant? What is needed to shift it? My skiing holiday is looking doomed already; Ill need an amazing amount of snow there in the first two weeks of January!

Originally Posted by: Graham Swanton 

Some friends I know have already cancelled their skiing trip for late December- their Alpine resort is snowless. They were supposed to spend Christmas and New Year in a winter wonderland- no chance of that!

roger63
17 December 2015 15:13:51

The last of the sequence but GFS wants to build a huge HP out to the North East. Just want some cold air out there to draw in, and the other 99 ingredients!

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

">http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif

Yes the ENS show a trend to a more Anticyclonic circulation post Xmas however most of HP development is to the south or south east.Even the few ENS which develop an easterly have the HP pushed away SE by the powerful jet to the NW.Unless some northern blocking develops there is little chance of HP to the east delivering.And yet.....once HP starts  developing near the UK there is  a chance albeit a small one of a change in pattern

However my money would still  be with METO and continuing NAO + flow until mid January at least.

David M Porter
17 December 2015 16:28:03

The models remain very poor, I doubt if deep down anyone really expects a change from this mild regime for the rest of the winter. 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

The "rest of the winter" is an awfully long time at the moment.

As things stand we have another two and a half months to go of the meteorogical winter, and as anyone in Scotland will testify March, although technically a spring month, can often see snow up here.


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Shropshire
17 December 2015 16:52:41

12z continues the theme of the last run with little variations, obviously a strong signal for high pressure over Germany/Poland area.


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Gooner
17 December 2015 17:27:03

Ending with a much colder spin off from the PV


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JACKO4EVER
17 December 2015 17:30:38

Ending with a much colder spin off from the PV

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

some of that fabled cold zonality eh Marcus?

Should be good for those up north, JFF of course 😀

Gusty
17 December 2015 19:12:41

Ending with a much colder spin off from the PV

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

More like ending on a blustery cooler westerly flow with wintry showers over northern hills. We are scraping the barrel with that one Marcus. Tough times. 


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tallyho_83
17 December 2015 19:34:37
Run the model sequence from m idle of February until middle of March: - ALl a long way off and JFF but still - at least there are some decent looking wintry charts on/in the horizon:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfse_cartes.php?ech=1614&mode=0&carte=0&run=0 


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David M Porter
17 December 2015 20:07:44

 

More like ending on a blustery cooler westerly flow with wintry showers over northern hills. We are scraping the barrel with that one Marcus. Tough times. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

We live in hope though Steve, well I do anyway.


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Maunder Minimum
17 December 2015 20:37:04

This chart from early May would spark some interest at this time of year:

http://www2.wetter3.de/Archiv/DWD/15050100_DWD_Analyse.gif

The weather is 6 months out of kilter with the seasons.


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Solar Cycles
17 December 2015 20:44:47

 

More like ending on a blustery cooler westerly flow with wintry showers over northern hills. We are scraping the barrel with that one Marcus. Tough times. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Dont knock it as it could be our only bit of wintry weather this winter.😜

 

Gooner
17 December 2015 20:45:28

 

More like ending on a blustery cooler westerly flow with wintry showers over northern hills. We are scraping the barrel with that one Marcus. Tough times. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3843.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn38417.gif

I would go for snow for the North rather than wintry showers ........be gone on the 18z though


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Gooner
17 December 2015 20:47:24

Run the model sequence from m idle of February until middle of March: - ALl a long way off and JFF but still - at least there are some decent looking wintry charts on/in the horizon:

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

">http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfse_cartes.php?ech=1614&mode=0&carte=0&run=0

LOL

If only eh Tally


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Marcus

Banbury

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Arcus
17 December 2015 21:06:09
Well ECM 12z gives a white Xmas for elevated areas in the Shetlands at least. Taxi!
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Gusty
17 December 2015 21:08:01

">http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfse_cartes.php?ech=1614&mode=0&carte=0&run=0

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

LOL

If only eh Tally

I've just ran that chart through..it takes until the 8th March to get a proper chance of snow into the SE. 

JFF of course..but this ain't funny. 


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Gooner
17 December 2015 21:52:38

 

LOL

If only eh Tally

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

I've just ran that chart through..it takes until the 8th March to get a proper chance of snow into the SE. 

JFF of course..but this ain't funny. 

Naaaahhhhhhh

Alot earlier than that Steve , its as early as March 6th

 

 

 


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Banbury

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colin46
17 December 2015 22:14:26

 

I've just ran that chart through..it takes until the 8th March to get a proper chance of snow into the SE. 

JFF of course..but this ain't funny. 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Naaaahhhhhhh

Alot earlier than that Steve , its as early as March 6th

 

 

 

Are things so desperate that your posting meaningless charts for march next year!!! goodness me.


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nsrobins
17 December 2015 22:58:42
You know it's as desperate as it gets when charts for +1648hrs are posted for potential wintry showers.

Within a few days we could probably call December as being exceptionally mild, wet and dull. Come on January - save us from this utter tedium 🤓😀


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Fothergill
17 December 2015 22:59:34

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...

picturesareme
17 December 2015 23:08:05

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...

Originally Posted by: Fothergill 

 

but things can only get better.... 

 

 

David M Porter
17 December 2015 23:19:14

 

 

but things can only get better.... 

 

 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

Arctic High makes an appearance, and the Polar Vortex looks as though it has split.


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