Perhaps you should read my whole post before being so knuckleheaded.

Perhaps you'd be better advised if you noted that I responded ONLY to the point I highlighted to eliminate it from your post in the first place!!

But my first point is central to my whole post:

"Initially...blah, blah....training.....coached skill out of players....blah, blah"

My comments about the high number of foreign players in the Prem aren't exactly ground-breaking or new. Many coaching experts have made the same point.

Many 'experts' have also dismissed it too. My point is, we were crap in the 70's and that wasn't in anyway due to the foreign imports. Which begs the question as to how it can now be a factor.

Maybe its the lack of decent coaches or the format (which the FA appear to now be changing) thats been the problem. To me, the England sides of the 80's right the way up to the 'golden generation' should have won something IMO. But, probably due to poor coaches/managers the talent we've had hasn't been realised.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/interesting/ 
you will see the title as 'Past weather events' and below, you can see for 2011, the sub heading of 'exceptionally warm and dry spring' ; lower down the list you can see 'October - December'- these are seasons.
So here you can see a Met. office example of the use of words with the same general meaning as used by Four.
The words in the expression 'extreme weather events' are perfectly reasonable.

The 70's were a time of change for the England side at a time when many other nations were on the rise, the Brazillian, Itallian and the Cruyff lead Dutch were all exceptional sides of the 70's. After the 1970 world cup we had a number of players retire, how could you replace the likes of Charlton and Moore? The 70's were back to the reality, similar to in the 1950's when we were also shat and beaten by the likes of the USA.

England have always been consistently shite, we are the Newcastle United of the international world. We won something once when TV was black and white, we think we are bigger than we really are, we think supporting the team in numbers gives us the right to win something and we have an inferiority complex. 

Good, Dave. I've looked at that link - overwhelmingly the references are to short period weather events.  There's scarcely any reference to seasonal extremes and I think it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that they are there for ease of access, i.e. they are there rather than under 'Climate' because that's where all the other 'events' are listed.

I still do not accept that the article - which was about climatic variability, if I may remind you - can be used in the way that Four chose to comment and in the way that you have spent about a week trying hard to defend.

Because, as I said in my initial post, these sides had changed the way they played the game. This started years before, with a different approach to coaching kids. England stuck with methods which became outdated.

Yet ironically, it looks as if it's coming full circle with 4-3-3 in the ascendancy. England's World Cup winning team in 66 weren't called the 'wingless wonders' for nothing.

And when you say ".....I think it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that they are there for ease of access", - that is why it is one perfectly good reason for Four to use 'weather' - and why nearly everybody in the country would understand , in general terms, what he meant. 

The paper was about seasonal variability and the paper explained further to say - it is features like extremely hot summers, very cold winters, excessively dry or wet seasons which the study aims at. The emphasis is on 'extreme'.

You may not accept the phrase, but, -

            'extreme' was not an incorrect word to use - the article explained the research was about 'extreme'  (as above)

            'weather' was a reasonable word to use, on one basis and as you put it, ".....I think it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that they (seasons) are there for ease of access" 

            'event' was not an incorrect word to use - you accept that 'event' can cover a long period of time

In the context and with the intended meaning used by Four no I do not - and I am surprised, although increasingly less so, that you should feel the need to keep arguing the point.

You can respond as often as you like - nothing will change the fact that Four was indulging in one of his usual sceptical/denialist point-scoring exercises.  All you are achieving by repeatedly failing to acknowledge that is to paint yourself into a similar corner.

Totally agree, Rio should be in the squad, we now have 2 avgerage Liverpool players in the mix. RH should be picking the squad not the bloody FA.

I would have sat JT and RF down and read them the riot act , we have got ourselves in a mad situation. Be funny if JT got injured, leaving RF sat on a beach and JT on a treatment table and England sat with 0 CB's

I think not, and given Four's track record of cheap attempts at point scoring, on the balance of probabilities (there you are, a legal term - so you can forget the 'Inquisition') he was not making a comment but another attempt at cheap point scoring.

But feel free to believe what you like.

It is highly entertaining seeing you expend such a lot of effort defending the indefensible.

Jagielka & Lescott.

Fill ya wiv confidence???

 I might be reading your post wrong BUT i do hope you don't mean Richards didnt want to go on STANDBY list because of JT?

If so that's one of the biggest loads of pony I've read, Richards has hardly got a sniff for England since McClaren era WAY BEFORE THE JT situation, even Capello didn't want him for whatever reason. I agree he should of been in the squad anyway BUT he wasn't, he was asked to be on standby and he sulked and refused.

...Keep stretching too far and you'll do yourself an injury !!

ANY Player that doesnt want to be on standby or dictates when they want to be in contention for a call up SHOULD NEVER player for England again IMO no matter who it is and I'll also include those that retired way too early, Paul Scholes is a great player but retired way too early and IF the story was true that he didn't go to the World Cup because Capello didn't call him in person then he is another major let down on par with the standby jokers.

IF Rio stated to Roy it's me or JT then Rio should come out and say and put it all to bed not do it behind the scenes and look like a kid that's thrown all his toys out the pram going throw his agent, If he comes out and gives the real reason and because of his brother is the centre of it then fair enough. Any other player that has a problem with the JT situation should grow a pair for there country and take note of YOUNG, LESCOTT, A.COLE, JOHNSON, WELLBECK, CHAMBERLAIN, DEFOE yes ALL BLACK/Mixed Race and put opinions/feelings aside for there Country.

IF another rumour is true and Rio said he would be willing to play alongide JT for England then for whatever reason Hodgson simply didn't fancy him and I think Sir Alex's comments about not being able to play 2 in 4 days may not of helped and at the time that may of sent alarm bells ringing with Hodgson.

I can only presume Hodgson has some faith in Kelly from Liverpool and thinks atleast he could at a push play him at CB or RB, we then have Jones who could play CB, RB or CDM.

Our biggest problem will be putting the ball in the Net .You need to score goals to win games in group games thats where our attention should be right now, get past that and win every other game on penalties

Another good win for France last night a 4 - 0 thrashing of Estonia they are 21 matches unbeaten now. England will do very well just to get a draw on Monday. If we are not careful we could get turned over. Sweden and Ukraine though I think are very beatable but if we get thrashed in the first game then any confidence in the team will vanish and we could struggle to get out the group.

Unlike some on here though win lose or draw I will always support England.

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Another good win for France last night a 4 - 0 thrashing of Estonia they are 21 matches unbeaten now. England will do very well just to get a draw on Monday. If we are not careful we could get turned over. Sweden and Ukraine though I think are very beatable but if we get thrashed in the first game then any confidence in the team will vanish and we could struggle to get out the group.

Unlike some on here though win lose or draw I will always support England.

Me too always have always will, mind you i do think we'll struggle to get out of the group stage..as an aside and obviously i cant speak for everyone but here in Cambridge there is a distinct lack of England flags on cars etc. this time round, maybe its because of the jubilee thingy but its usually wall to wall St George down here by now or maybe realism has kicked in ?.........anyway mines going up today so . 

I think the Euro's have been lost somewhat with all the Jubilee stuff and the shambolic build has no doubt put a few people off. But any sort of result against the French and I'm sure the flags will start to come out again.

I dont want to start this one off again, but a humourous conversation between two Liverpool colleagues could cause some issues but does show how seriously the Evra remarks should be taken....

Glen Johnson ‏@glen_johnson
Poland Bound.....

Daniel Pacheco ‏@dani37pacheco
@glen_johnson good luck negrito !!!!



Or give Matty a chance to mount his fictional high horse