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Bertwhistle
19 December 2021 12:09:54

Just flicked through the 06Z GFS it's not all doom n gloom but of course we can write off this prolonged cold spell which looked like it was about to materialise in last nights 18z run. Now it looks like it could be a short lived cold snap between boxing day and 28th but that's if this 06z GFS comes about. However, we now see a split between the Operational and Control with the control going colder after 28th and and Operational going milder.

The 00z GEM and UKMO looked good for cold for the south, whilst the ECM looked all over the place but as it's the 00z it's perhaps out of date!?! As for the ICON - I can't see it beyond 120 for the 06z? does it stop there?


What a rollercoaster this is turning out to be! Isn't it!?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

But surely we can't be sure still, what will happen in the 6-10 day range- everyone's been talking about the wild swings in the models, especially the GFS op. ECM was still pretty this morning.

And even if the 6z was remarkably on the button, plenty of the outputs in the 6z suite give a good blast of sub -5 uppers and N or NEly fetch for a few days and the mean pressure set up from about 162 to 222 is for LP to the E and HP N or NW. All we have to do is compare to other years - at least we haven't been zonally groundhog-day'd for the whole of November & December and there's still the chance of wintry precipitation during Christmas week. If you take away the excitement/hype from the last few days, what we're left with is not a bad outlook at all- and personally I'm less bothered about wintry weather once we're past 26th.

So, 


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tallyho_83
19 December 2021 12:46:44

GEFS35 which is initiated  24 hours earlier is favouring mild conditions between Jan1 to 21 which is basically as far it goes. 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/gefs-35-day.aspx?loc=London

 

 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

That's the thing 24hrs earlier so could all be different now!?


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DPower
19 December 2021 13:03:55

Not unexpected to see the models jumping around with regards to the weather Christmas day and beyond with it being 6 days away still. The gfs looks out on its own this morning when looking at the differences between it and the Euro's at just t120. Apart from the gem the ukmo looks the best going forward but am wary whether the energy to the east will phase with the energy to the west ( we don't want this ). 

Does anyone have the ukmo t168 charts they could post.

glenogle
19 December 2021 13:05:47

 

I know where you are coming from.  For up here I've been keeping an eye on the 22nd as thats been the day for some time that the uncertainty starts.  It until the last day or so was the day that the 850s went below zero and signaled the incoming cold.(Glasgow ensembles gfs)  This uncertainty and crossover has now been pushed to the 23rd.  

The potential, especially up here, is still there, but it is definitely being pushed back/warmed up as the small details are factored in.

A long way to go yet and I'm still looking forward to a more seasonal cool spell in general.

Originally Posted by: glenogle 

In fact 6z has pushed it back another 12+ hours and reduced the severity of the cold drop off.  The warm up beyond Christmas is starting to look like an unwelcome trend.  Hopefully the pack swings back towards the control on later runs.


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doctormog
19 December 2021 13:16:59
I will wait for the 12z runs. If they show something similar to the 06z GFS I will take note. Until then it’s of little more than passing interest to me. This potential cold snap/spell has never come into the “realistic” time period so changes are to be expected. When Christmas comes it could still be mild or it could be white. We may know in a few days.
Gooner
19 December 2021 13:25:17

I will wait for the 12z runs. If they show something similar to the 06z GFS I will take note. Until then it’s of little more than passing interest to me. This potential cold snap/spell has never come into the “realistic” time period so changes are to be expected. When Christmas comes it could still be mild or it could be white. We may know in a few days.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

And let's be honest white Xmas's are as rare as hens teeth 


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nsrobins
19 December 2021 13:28:40

I will wait for the 12z runs. If they show something similar to the 06z GFS I will take note. Until then it’s of little more than passing interest to me. This potential cold snap/spell has never come into the “realistic” time period so changes are to be expected. When Christmas comes it could still be mild or it could be white. We may know in a few days.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

We may know or we may not, but come what may we’ll know if we do or we don’t.

Model watching - thus it is and always has been (as far as I know).

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Tim A
19 December 2021 13:32:01

I doubt the 12z will resolve unless the ensembles spread is significantly reduced  and all main 12z agree .  Any 12z Op could be anywhere on this spread for the 23rd (Manchester) . 

 


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Brian Gaze
19 December 2021 13:49:29

Not unexpected to see the models jumping around with regards to the weather Christmas day and beyond with it being 6 days away still. The gfs looks out on its own this morning when looking at the differences between it and the Euro's at just t120. Apart from the gem the ukmo looks the best going forward but am wary whether the energy to the east will phase with the energy to the west ( we don't want this ). 

Does anyone have the ukmo t168 charts they could post.

Originally Posted by: DPower 

Here

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/ukmet.aspx

 


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Brian Gaze
19 December 2021 13:50:35

Notable shift away from cold on the London GEFS 06z data table

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/premium/gefs-tables.aspx

 


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ballamar
19 December 2021 14:29:05

Notable shift away from cold on the London GEFS 06z data table

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/premium/gefs-tables.aspx

 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

has to be taken as most accurate as it’s the latest data but historically the 6z is perceived as a fallible run!

Brian Gaze
19 December 2021 15:01:14

 

has to be taken as most accurate as it’s the latest data but historically the 6z is perceived as a fallible run!

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Agree. I think today's 12z cycle is the most eagerly awaited of the century so far. 


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Gooner
19 December 2021 15:17:28

Good Met update , anyone who is writing off the possibility of wintry weather is foolish IMO


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Brian Gaze
19 December 2021 15:41:12

Poor 12z ICON G this afternoon for cold weather fans.


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Narnia
19 December 2021 15:49:35

I will go down the fool route! Few days of cold then back to usual mild. There is now a much higher chance of this scenario. 

Whether Idle
19 December 2021 15:54:01

The writing is on the wall for another failed cold snap, but I will reserve my own judgement until tomorrow morning. In my location there was no real chance of snow from the set up, but I find the chase is the fun, even if its chasing the cold with those north and west of my locale.

 

 


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ballamar
19 December 2021 15:58:41
Getting to the pivotal point on the GFS OP run, will it won’t it!
squish
19 December 2021 16:03:26
I'll take the 12z UKMO over the others....
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squish
19 December 2021 16:04:27
Gooner
19 December 2021 16:08:16

https://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2021121912/UN144-21.GIF

Originally Posted by: squish 

Good chart I say 


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Whether Idle
19 December 2021 16:09:11

I'll take the 12z UKMO over the others....

Originally Posted by: squish 

Yes its usually the decider for me. But its not perfect either.  FI is still at t72 here, so this will have some way to run but thats a cold 144 Christmas Day chart.


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ballamar
19 December 2021 16:15:41
GFS consistent to a point not it looks like it could be better further on in the run
doctormog
19 December 2021 16:21:40

GFS consistent to a point not it looks like it could be better further on in the run

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Yes, messy but could be worse overall. Still lots of twists and turns to come, especially given the UKMO 12z.


CField
19 December 2021 16:25:44

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Gandalf The White
19 December 2021 16:28:54

 

Yes its usually the decider for me. But its not perfect either.  FI is still at t72 here, so this will have some way to run but thats a cold 144 Christmas Day chart.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

Yes, exactly.  I was just looking at T+72 across UKMO, ICON and GFS and GFS has the LP just a few hundred miles further east and a touch further north even at that stage, and without the slight flattening of the LP circulation that the UKMO shows (which leads to a trough and a slider).  In the normal course of events a couple of hundred miles would be irrelevant but it leads to a different pattern over the British Isles 3 days later.

 


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