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Gavin D
05 May 2020 19:27:46

 

That may be true, but isn't he self-isolating waiting for test results on the same, which is likely has been caused by himself or family doing something of a similar ilk?

Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 

 

His test result came back negative for Covid-19

Ulric
05 May 2020 19:29:40

 

The irony is that there seemed to be much horror when the death toll in Italy unfolded both by the general population and the media.

I totally agree with your thoughts. This is a national tragedy. 

The rush to ease lockdown and get the economy running means a lot (not all) have lost sight of the fact so many loved ones have been lost and family’s are no doubt devastated. 

We are a bizzare country. We went into full on mourning mode for Diana and yet there doesn’t seem to be a National mourning for all the dead over the last few weeks 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Wait until they actually close the borders. That's when things will get really bad.

Solar is only worth it if your roof has toenail fungus.
The Beast from the East
05 May 2020 19:44:07

Revision to excess deaths figures from the ONS now suggests that COVID-19 has killed more than 52,000 people in the UK.

 

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

HMG is doing a great job and you are a Red under the bed for questioning King Boros

 

Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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The Beast from the East
05 May 2020 19:46:45

 

It's because we are a supine bunch who would rather believe that HMG is 'doing a good job in difficult circumstances' rather than presiding over the greatest health catastrophe since 1918.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

The way Dr Rosena was slapped down in the Commons by Tory MPs was shocking. McCarthyism at its worst

But the Tories are 20 points ahead of Labour, so clearly the country is full of forelock tugging lemmings brainwashed by the Sun

Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President

Joe Bloggs
05 May 2020 19:52:09

I’ve been out of the loop today,  but has this been posted?

I think it was Brian who expected a debacle with the app?

 

Originally Posted by: John p 

Other articles dispute these claims. 

As ever, it’s a case of who to believe? 

The Beast from the East
05 May 2020 19:55:39

 

The irony is that there seemed to be much horror when the death toll in Italy unfolded both by the general population and the media.

I totally agree with your thoughts. This is a national tragedy. 

The rush to ease lockdown and get the economy running means a lot (not all) have lost sight of the fact so many loved ones have been lost and family’s are no doubt devastated. 

We are a bizzare country. We went into full on mourning mode for Diana and yet there doesn’t seem to be a National mourning for all the dead over the last few weeks 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Sky news still keep repeating their documentary from the Lombardy hospital as if they were some third world basket case, yet we have now overtaken them and not a peep, apart from what a great job Handjob has done on the testing (I have said before that self testing is unreliable and will show a lot of false negatives)

A lot of it is English exceptionalism, arrogance, pride and embarrassment. Reflected in the continued support for Brexit. Ploughing ahead with this madness against all available evidence, because its easier than admitting  you were conned

 

 

 

 

Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President

Devonian
05 May 2020 20:03:12

 

Professor Streeck's study shows the mortality rate to be 0.36, although he thinks it could be lower - between 0.24 - 0.26%. He is of course not talking about New York but about Germany. Nobody knows why the virus seems to be more dangerous in some places than others and there are probably many factors involved in this.

Can you imagine if this was a climate scientist and xioni and Gandalf simply dismissed their ideas? Or are experts only right when they agree with us?

 

Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

Well, you agree with him???

It depends if he's got his figure for the number of people infected correct. As the article show, a small difference in the 'IFR' means a big difference in how many have been infected. How many people do you think have been infected in the UK? 20 million sounds high to me, but do either of us (or he) know until a lot of testing is done? Nope.

A lot of people have died, it doesn't feel like a flu epidemic (well less than 1% mortality) to me. Given we've seen effective lockdowns death would surely be vastly higher without it. But, the truth is neither the proff, or you or me know yet.

 

fairweather
05 May 2020 20:03:18

 

Agree 100%. I really can't explain it. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I can. In  the space of just a few decades we have gone from one of the most tolerant Countries in Europe to one of the most selfish. If I don't die I don't care seems to be the attitude of many.

S.Essex, 42m ASL
Brian Gaze
05 May 2020 20:21:00

I’ve been out of the loop today,  but has this been posted?

I think it was Brian who expected a debacle with the app?

 

Originally Posted by: John p 

 Just read the article. I think some playground errors have been made in the development of the app as expected.

A big concern I have is that when a user declares symptoms the app will upload data about himself AND other users it has pinged to the government database. This is the part where I think there could be legal issues.

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Northern Sky
05 May 2020 20:23:30

 

Well, you agree with him???

It depends if he's got his figure for the number of people infected correct. As the article show, a small difference in the 'IFR' means a big difference in how many have been infected. How many people do you think have been infected in the UK? 20 million sounds high to me, but do either of us (or he) know until a lot of testing is done? Nope.

A lot of people have died, it doesn't feel like a flu epidemic (well less than 1% mortality) to me. Given we've seen effective lockdowns death would surely be vastly higher without it. But, the truth is neither the proff, or you or me know yet.

 

Originally Posted by: Devonian 

No, I've not said I agree with him, I said he offers a different opinion which given his position deserves to be considered rather than dismissed.

My own opinion is that I simply don't know and until things become clearer I'll keep an open mind and consider other opinions from across the spectrum.

fairweather
05 May 2020 20:40:54

 

Oh dear. If confirmed, this is going to cause some anger. I feel some myself - I have elderly members of my own family circle who have been living in complete isolation for weeks, unable to see their own grandchildren, and deprived of all human contact, because of rules put in place based on his recommendations. And then he behaves like this. I note he "acted in the belief he was immune" and was self isolated for "almost two weeks". Wriggle wriggle.

All that said, his personal failings don't affect whether he was right, although whether the papers will be able to make this distinction is doubtful to put it mildly. I suspect the right wing media will crucify him.

Originally Posted by: pfw 

As he helped make the rules he should have realised they are worded to keep the message simple for the public, many who they knew would have no understanding of this. There is no scope for intelligent interpretation. Just because he knew he was immune and posed no transmission risk he should have followed the rules blindly like the rest of us - he should have known the possible consequences. But then again, however smart you are - love is blind

S.Essex, 42m ASL
Ulric
05 May 2020 20:48:17

 

 Just read the article. I think some playground errors have been made in the development of the app as expected.

A big concern I have is that when a user declares symptoms the app will upload data about himself AND other users it has pinged to the government database. This is the part where I think there could be legal issues.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I think I heard over the radio earlier that it detects proximity by bluetooth? Surely, if it requires bluetooth to be on, it's going to detect only the minority of other phones and shorten battery life too?

Solar is only worth it if your roof has toenail fungus.
Maunder Minimum
05 May 2020 20:53:08

Interesting side story from The Times:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/state-sponsored-hackers-trying-to-steal-coronavirus-vaccine-secrets-mrmrlzcst

"Britain and the United States issued a joint warning today that rival states are mounting cyberattacks on research institutions linked to the coronavirus response in an attempt to steal secrets, including vaccine work.

The joint advisory statement comes days after similar warnings from US intelligence officials about state-backed hackers targeting vaccine laboratories on the behalf of governments including China, Russia and Iran.

Britain’s National Cyber Security Centre joined the US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency in warning that state actors “are actively targeting organisations involved in both national and international Covid-19 responses”.

“These organisations include healthcare bodies, pharmaceutical companies, academia, medical research organisations and local government,” the statement read.

..."

New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
05 May 2020 21:09:30

 

I think I heard over the radio earlier that it detects proximity by bluetooth? Surely, if it requires bluetooth to be on, it's going to detect only the minority of other phones and shorten battery life too?

Originally Posted by: Ulric 

I assume it asks for permission to switch Bluetooth on during the installation. The decentralised apps in other countries will need to do this too.

More worrying is the inability of it to work unless running in the foreground on IOS and the potential to drain the battery on Android devices when running as a foreground service. The Google / Apple api which is being used in many other European countries gets round these issues.

Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

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Brian Gaze
05 May 2020 21:16:42

Fail alert but there is some worrying stuff in this article:

Coronavirus outbreak in UK and Europe is caused by a newer 'dominant' type of the virus which mutated to spread faster and could change shape to avoid the immune system or a vaccine, scientists claim

Dr Jonathan Stoye, from The Francis Crick Institute, said: 'Although the functional significance of the changes observed have yet to be fully characterised, the study shows that SARS-CoV-2 can alter its genetic structure in multiple ways as it spreads around the world, a finding likely to have important implications for vaccine development.' 

Scientists are still not sure whether people develop long-term immunity after their first bout of COVID-19. 

Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific adviser, said it is very unlikely that people would develop total protection after recovering from the illness. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8289673/Dominant-version-coronavirus-causing-Europes-outbreak.html

 

Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

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Phil G
05 May 2020 21:26:50

Fail alert but there is some worrying stuff in this article:

Coronavirus outbreak in UK and Europe is caused by a newer 'dominant' type of the virus which mutated to spread faster and could change shape to avoid the immune system or a vaccine, scientists claim

Dr Jonathan Stoye, from The Francis Crick Institute, said: 'Although the functional significance of the changes observed have yet to be fully characterised, the study shows that SARS-CoV-2 can alter its genetic structure in multiple ways as it spreads around the world, a finding likely to have important implications for vaccine development.' 

Scientists are still not sure whether people develop long-term immunity after their first bout of COVID-19. 

Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific adviser, said it is very unlikely that people would develop total protection after recovering from the illness. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8289673/Dominant-version-coronavirus-causing-Europes-outbreak.html

 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Think it's time to turn off all the noise from these articles and come back in one, two, three months time when they may have sorted themselves out as otherwise it will turn us all mental.

Joe Bloggs
05 May 2020 21:28:00

 

Think it's time to turn off all the noise from these articles and come back in one, two, three months time when they may have sorted themselves out as otherwise it will turn us all mental.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

I tend to agree. 

I have no idea what to believe anymore. 

Quantum
05 May 2020 21:53:08

I’ve been out of the loop today,  but has this been posted?

I think it was Brian who expected a debacle with the app?

 

Originally Posted by: John p 

What's the only thing worse than the NHS writing up a private contract for a tech solution?

The NHS trying to do the tech solution itself.

 

NHS is worse than useless.

 

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Bugglesgate
05 May 2020 21:53:25

 

I tend to agree. 

I have no idea what to believe anymore. 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

 

Thirded

 

 

 

 

Chris (It,its)

Between Newbury and Basingstoke

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The Beast from the East
05 May 2020 23:40:52

 

 

Thirded

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

We're doomed

 

Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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The Beast from the East
05 May 2020 23:56:08

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Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

"We have some alternative facts for you"

Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President

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