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speckledjim
29 April 2020 13:14:46

 

Agreed , and if it works why change it .

I know it will save our company thousands a year in travel costs 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

My wife is usually in London 3 days a week. She will need to go down every now and again once she can but they’ve realised that they are all just as productive at home and there are cost savings to be had too.

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speckledjim
29 April 2020 13:16:40

NHS England has reported 445 new deaths down from 546 yesterday

 

 

Last Wednesday. NHS England reported 665 new deaths

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Thought it might have been higher considering the numbers from Scotland and Wales. Still, we need to get the UK number down below 300 per day and then I’ll start to feel a lot more confident. 

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fairweather
29 April 2020 13:17:08

Is anybody here still doing the ZOE Covid-19 symptom app? I am and it is showing about a 7 fold drop in predicted cases from 2.1 million since April 1st to 350,000 now. It doesn't report areas where there is not enough data but I am not clear how many respondents they still have compared to the start?

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SJV
29 April 2020 13:17:41

"Reinfected" patients were actually false positives due to 'dead' virus fragments, refuting reinfection - S Korea experts say:

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/skorea-experts-downplay-possible-reinfections/1818085

Gavin D
29 April 2020 13:25:04

Breakdown of the 445 new deaths in England by date

  • 96 on April 28th

  • 148 on April 27th

  • 42 on April 26th

  • 116 between April 1st and April 25th

  • 43 in March with one on March 9th

speckledjim
29 April 2020 13:28:41
Education secretary confirms schools will reopen in phases

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52469939 

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Retron
29 April 2020 13:29:09

"Reinfected" patients were actually false positives due to 'dead' virus fragments, refuting reinfection - S Korea experts say:

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/skorea-experts-downplay-possible-reinfections/1818085

Originally Posted by: SJV 

Excellent news - I know some had believed the reports from certain quarters that it was possible to be reinfected, but a) that would mean this coronavirus behaved in a completely different way to all the others we know of and b) generally scientists were saying it was dodgy testing rather than point a).

Hopefully this'll reassure people that once you've recovrered, you've recovered. Next step: confirming how long immunity lasts, but that will take months if not years!

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29 April 2020 13:31:52

 

Thought it might have been higher considering the numbers from Scotland and Wales. Still, we need to get the UK number down below 300 per day and then I’ll start to feel a lot more confident. 

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Wales at least was adding care home on for the first time including backlogs I think, it will likely be a one day jump then settle back

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Brian Gaze
29 April 2020 13:33:24

More on the good news from South Korea:

He said South Korea’s standard real-time Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests, designed to amplify the genetic materials of the virus so that even tiny quantities are detected, doesn’t reliably distinguish between remains of dead virus and infectious particles. He said lab tests on animals suggest that COVID-19 patients would maintain immunity for at least a year after their infections.

https://www.dailysabah.com/world/asia-pacific/covid-19-reinfection-unlikely-south-koreas-coronavirus-authority-says

 

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Gandalf The White
29 April 2020 13:35:41

 

It is Cadwalladr who reeks! She has been in trouble so many times over her promulgation of batty conspiracy theories and she was actually taken to court by Aaron Banks for slander and libel.

 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

That should be worthy of a badge of honour. Banks is an unpleasant loud-mouthed yob.

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SJV
29 April 2020 13:36:10

Education secretary confirms schools will reopen in phases

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52469939

It's the only logical way to do it if the virus hasn't been completely eradicated.

doctormog
29 April 2020 13:38:01
There is a reason that verifiable scientific findings usually take months or years to obtain and pass peer review. The process takes time and any anecdotal or even observed evidence based on a very short timescale should not be treated as anything more than a possible scenario.

Quite often scientists when asked will say “we just don’t know (yet)” but when people are desperate for answers that message tends to get lost.

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Maunder Minimum
29 April 2020 13:42:17

 

That should be worthy of a badge of honour. Banks is an unpleasant loud-mouthed yob.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

He won his case however. It does not matter how boorish or unpleasant a man might be, he still has legal rights when untruths are published about him.

New world order coming.
JHutch
29 April 2020 13:52:46

 

He won his case however. It does not matter how boorish or unpleasant a man might be, he still has legal rights when untruths are published about him.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Has he won the case? The last information on it i can find on it is from January where he dropped half the case? 

Lionel Hutz
29 April 2020 13:59:49

 

Another pantomine villain to hate! It's all very tribal. I thought West Ham v Millwall was bad enough, but politics, takes no prisoners!

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

You will get to see that next season if the EPL doesn't finish and the final standing are based on average points 

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xioni2
29 April 2020 14:01:25

And before anyone is like 'herp derp, dominic cummings tried to influence SAGE'. No he didn't, the comment is tounge in cheek. Cummings asked scientists in SAGE why the lockdown shouldn't happen sooner. In response behavioural science was used to suggest fatigue if it happened too early.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

I think you keep been blinkered on this. I have praised Cummings for his (apparent) change of mind and coming in favour of a lockdown and also on the excellent slogan used after the lockdown started.

No matter what he thought though, he should not have been present in those meetings in order not to bias them. There had never been such a precedent in the last 15 years and some SAGE members say tha Cummings was not a passive observer, but he actively intervened.   

Maunder Minimum
29 April 2020 14:02:19

 

Has he won the case? The last information on it i can find on it is from January where he dropped half the case? 

Originally Posted by: JHutch 

He won the preliminary hearing on December 12th that there was a case to answer - I don't know when the next hearing is scheduled.

But the point is about Cadwalladr - she is completely bats and suffers from a very bad case of BrexitDerangementSyndrome.

New world order coming.
Northern Sky
29 April 2020 14:03:13

 

You will get to see that next season if the EPL doesn't finish and the final standing are based on average points 

Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 

Quantum
29 April 2020 14:04:31

 

I think you keep been blinkered on this. I have praised Cummings for his (apparent) change of mind and coming in favour of a lockdown and also on the excellent slogan used after the lockdown started.

No matter what he thought though, he should not have been present in those meetings in order not to bias them. There had never been such a precedent in the last 15 years and some SAGE members say tha Cummings was not a passive observer, but he actively intervened.   

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

That's not true.

I've pulled up a few group manifests avalible for past SAGE meetings on the govt website. Currently looking at one dealing with the Zika virus. Full of govt observers.

 

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xioni2
29 April 2020 14:10:48

 That's not true.

I've pulled up a few group manifests avalible for past SAGE meetings on the govt website. Currently looking at one dealing with the Zika virus. Full of govt observers.

 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

It is 100% true. There had never been a No 10 political advisor present in a SAGE meeting before.

Why is this so difficult to understand? SAGE is supposed to provide independent scientific advice, Cummings is supposed to provide his own political advice and the PM is then supposed to make his own mind. Mixing up the two can bias/corrupt the whole process.

Quantum
29 April 2020 14:11:31

 

He won the preliminary hearing on December 12th that there was a case to answer - I don't know when the next hearing is scheduled.

But the point is about Cadwalladr - she is completely bats and suffers from a very bad case of BrexitDerangementSyndrome.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Indeed. She is Alex Jones level nuts. After that whole Cambridge Analytica thing she thinks every thought that comes out of her head is visonary. Most of the time her conspiracies amount to simple misunderstandings of procedure. The kind that can be fixed by a quick Google search.

 

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SJV
29 April 2020 14:13:30

 

It is 100% true. There had never been a No 10 political advisor present in a SAGE meeting before.

Why is this so difficult to understand? SAGE is supposed to provide independent scientific advice, Cummings is supposed to provide his own political advice and the PM is then supposed to make his own mind. Mixing up the two can bias/corrupt the whole process.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

This is what it boils down to for me. Cummings can have all the helpful ideas and suggestions he wants. The fact he was there, given his power in politics at the moment, sets a dangerous precedent 

Gandalf The White
29 April 2020 14:14:27

 

He won his case however. It does not matter how boorish or unpleasant a man might be, he still has legal rights when untruths are published about him.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Truth didn't seem to be uppermost in his mind when he was promoting Brexit.

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Gandalf The White
29 April 2020 14:16:01

 

Indeed. She is Alex Jones level nuts. After that whole Cambridge Analytica thing she thinks every thought that comes out of her head is visonary. Most of the time her conspiracies amount to simple misunderstandings of procedure. The kind that can be fixed by a quick Google search.

 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

As exemplified by your weird fixation with defending Cummings's presence at SAGE meetings.

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Gandalf The White
29 April 2020 14:17:34

 

He won the preliminary hearing on December 12th that there was a case to answer - I don't know when the next hearing is scheduled.

But the point is about Cadwalladr - she is completely bats and suffers from a very bad case of BrexitDerangementSyndrome.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

This really shouldn't be a subject for this thread but it seems to be your label applies well to many who voted to leave the EU.

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