Corona Virus - part 3· Page 71

Heavy Weather 2013
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11 March 2020 12:57:07

Spain cases pass 2,000

New health ministry figures say roughly half are in the Madrid region, where two-thirds of the virus deaths have occurred.

There are 2,002 cases nationally, up by 363 from the previous day. Deaths reached 47, up 11 from Tuesday.

Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

John p
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11 March 2020 12:57:46

#1752

This is a superb budget in terms of mitigating economic impacts of the virus.

Can’t stand the Tories, or this Chancellor, but I have to say i’m impressed so far.

Camberley, Surrey

Saint Snow
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11 March 2020 12:58:49

#1753

From Sky

For businesses with fewer than 250 employees Government will fund SSP for two weeks - £2billion - big move to encourage self isolation, good news for SMEs

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I wonder if HMG wanted to get clarity on these messages out today ahead of changing advise later.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013

They still aren't officially requesting that companies allow people to work from home wherever possible.

Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

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westv
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11 March 2020 13:09:50

#1754

Does anybody else half think for a moment "is this it?" every time they cough or feel a slight twinge?

At least it will be mild!

Quantum
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11 March 2020 13:11:02

#1755

They still aren't officially requesting that companies allow people to work from home wherever possible.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow

I suspect they have been doing this behind the scenes already. Probably so as not to 'cause panic'. I obviously disagree with this approach and think this needs to be official now.

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speckledjim
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11 March 2020 13:12:00

#1756

Can't see how european football competitions will be completed this season. Getafe are refusing to fly to Milan to play Inter and Roma have been told that Spain won't allow their plane to land for their match against Seville.

I reckon they'll cancel all competitions.

Thorner, West Yorkshire

Journalism is organised gossip

xioni2
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11 March 2020 13:12:10

#1757

I suspect they have been doing this behind the scenes already. Probably so as not to 'cause panic'. I obviously disagree with this approach and think this needs to be official now.

Originally Posted by: Quantum

I have asked my company twice, there has been nothing from the govt or PHE.

Quantum
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11 March 2020 13:13:50

#1758

I have asked my company twice, there has been nothing from the govt or PHE.

Originally Posted by: xioni2

And the time to do this is not even now. It was a month ago+

And this is the problem, the point at which people are finally no longer being complacent it's already too late. If most companies had started to prepare in January then they would be all able to implement it by now.

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Gavin D
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11 March 2020 13:16:39

#1759

Breaking: The Netherlands have reported 121 new cases and 1 new death

Total to 503 cases and 5 deaths

xioni2
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11 March 2020 13:17:57

#1760

And the time to do this is not even now. It was a month ago+

And this is the problem, the point at which people are finally no longer being complacent it's already too late. If most companies had started to prepare in January then they would be all able to implement it by now.

Originally Posted by: Quantum

It can help even now though. No point looking back and contemplating what if scenarios.

People are still getting in packed trains (much worse than airplanes!).

doctormog
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11 March 2020 13:20:19

#1761

And the time to do this is not even now. It was a month ago+

And this is the problem, the point at which people are finally no longer being complacent it's already too late. If most companies had started to prepare in January then they would be all able to implement it by now.

Originally Posted by: Quantum

These accusations of complacency are tiresome and inaccurate. As is your suggestion that taking draconian measures would have stopped the spread. Any virologist would tell you such measures, which would almost certainly be economically very harmful, would at very best slow the spread. Time will tell which approaches have been most effective. Until then perhaps leave the epidemiology to the epidemiologists? A measured approach has been taken up to this point, hopefully that will continue. This country has some of the world's finest medical researchers.

Aberdeen

Current conditions (personal WS)

Quantum
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11 March 2020 13:20:34

#1762

We finally have a paper on the half life of the virus on surfaces.

The good news is that it doesn't survive significantly longer than SARS (except on cardboard). My recommendation is to leave a product for 24 hours (preferably in a heated area) before you use it to ensure you don't pick up the virus.

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xioni2
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11 March 2020 13:21:41

#1763

This country has some of the world's finest medical researchers.

Originally Posted by: doctormog

Indeed and some of the finest armchair experts too.

Brian Gaze
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11 March 2020 13:21:41

#1764

What happened to the Cobra meeting today? Has it been cancelled?

Brian Gaze

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speckledjim
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11 March 2020 13:21:49

#1765

These accusations of complacency are tiresome and inaccurate. As is your suggestion that taking draconian measures would have stopped the spread. Any virologist would tell you such measures, which would almost certainly be economically very harmful, would at very best slow the spread. Time will tell which approaches have been most effective. Until then perhaps leave the epidemiology to the epidemiologists? A measured approach has been taken up to this point, hopefully that will continue. This country has some of the world's finest medical researchers.

Originally Posted by: doctormog

Thorner, West Yorkshire

Journalism is organised gossip

Quantum
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11 March 2020 13:22:32

#1766

These accusations of complacency are tiresome and inaccurate. As is your suggestion that taking draconian measures would have stopped the spread. Any virologist would tell you such measures, which would almost certainly be economically very harmful, would at very best slow the spread. Time will tell which approaches have been most effective. Until then perhaps leave the epidemiology to the epidemiologists? A measured approach has been taken up to this point, hopefully that will continue. This country has some of the world's finest medical researchers.

Originally Posted by: doctormog

Draconian measures did stop the spread in China, but I never suggested that they should be used here.

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xioni2
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11 March 2020 13:24:11

#1767

We finally have a paper on the half life of the virus on surfaces.

My recommendation is to leave a product for 24 hours (preferably in a heated area)

Originally Posted by: Quantum

Your stomach?

xioni2
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11 March 2020 13:26:49

#1768

A doctor's account on how China mishandled the epidemic early on

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities

Ally Pally Snowman
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11 March 2020 13:31:22

#1769

In the last 24 hours, 9 planes from mainland Spain have landed in Liverpool; another 4 due before this evening.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow

That really is utter madness Spain is Italy 1 week ago.

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Quantum
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11 March 2020 13:34:07

#1770

That really is utter madness Spain is Italy 1 week ago.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman

And this is why I will continue to yell 'complacency' until we stop being complacent!

The govt has clearly handeled this, in some ways, rather well. But why Spain is not in the same catogary as Italy yet bemuses me.

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Gandalf The White
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11 March 2020 13:35:56

#1771

I think we are entering the sustained local transmission phase now.

This could have been prevented.

Originally Posted by: Quantum

Er, no it couldn't.

Nowhere on the planet is it being 'prevented'. The best you can do is manage the rate at which the epidemic evolves and how it evolves,

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Quantum
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11 March 2020 13:38:51

#1772

Er, no it couldn't.

Nowhere on the planet is it being 'prevented'. The best you can do is manage the rate at which the epidemic evolves and how it evolves,

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

Er it was prevented in Singapore, it was prevented all over Europe the 'first time' this arrived in January.

Of course it could have been prevented.

Most middle eastern countries prevented the Iran cluster from spreading to their countries too.

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Gavin D
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11 March 2020 13:39:55

#1773

Can anyone translate this a bit more? It's not a vaccine as such but whatever it is seems to have worked on the pneumonia side

https://napoli.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/11/news/coronavirus_funziona_farmaco_artrite_sperimentato_a_napoli_migliorato_il_paziente-250936784/

xioni2
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11 March 2020 13:42:16

#1774

Can anyone translate this a bit more? It's not a vaccine as such but whatever it is seems to have worked on the pneumonia side

Originally Posted by: Gavin D

">https://napoli.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/11/news/coronavirus_funziona_farmaco_artrite_sperimentato_a_napoli_migliorato_il_paziente-250936784/

Immediately a national protocol to extend the use of tocilizumab, an anti-arthritis drug, in patients infected with coronavirus and in critical conditions. This was asked by the oncologist Paolo Ascierto, from Pascale di Napoli: "The drug has proven to be effective against Covid-19 pneumonia".

In Naples, he explains, "the first 2 patients were treated in Italy, in 24 hours the therapy showed excellent results and tomorrow one of the 2 patients will be extubated because his condition has improved. Yesterday, the treatment started for 2 other people and today we will deal with two more ".

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