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doctormog
08 February 2019 16:46:19
jhall
08 February 2019 17:02:33

Who ordered the sub 510dam air? http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_276_1.png 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

You can order it? Why did no one tell me? I'd have ordered some weeks ago. 


Cranleigh, Surrey
Hippydave
08 February 2019 17:15:49

See, still time for one last chase

I reckon either our HP blip will dwindle allowing a mild end to winter and start to spring, best in the South or retrogress to somewhere much more interesting and give us a late winter blast.

I'm planning on using the turbo trainer for next few weeks so bring on the cold option


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doctormog
08 February 2019 17:24:00

 

You can order it? Why did no one tell me? I'd have ordered some weeks ago. 

Originally Posted by: jhall 

It’s actually a takeaway order as the next GFS op run will no doubt take away the scenario. 


Quantum
08 February 2019 17:34:49

If only. That's what I call a northerly. Beautiful chart!

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

tallyho_83
08 February 2019 17:48:37

A very mild if not a warm Europe if this came off @ 219: - Have to go to northern Scandinavia to find temps at or below 0c.


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Chunky Pea
08 February 2019 17:52:38

Yes, the HP positions itself further west which means the influence is more of a bartlett esque, than a continental beast.

 

Either way, not many weather fronts, if any.  Which should dry the land out a bit, combined with the stronger sun, Grass should start to grow faster, turning fields away from the mudfest they currently are by mine.

 

every cloud....

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

I'm pretty much done with this winter. Late winter/early spring cold snaps do not interest me as they once may have. The sunshine today was quite strong and springlike and triggered in me an instinctive itch to get out into the garden and clip things. If it wasn't such a sludge pit, as there has been zero drying this winter, despite the low rainfal all seasonl, then I would have. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

marco 79
08 February 2019 18:26:47
Still a split on anything trending negative.....

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/new.nao_index_ensm.html 


Home : Mid Leicestershire ...135m ASL
fairweather
08 February 2019 18:46:23

 

It’s actually a takeaway order as the next GFS op run will no doubt take away the scenario. 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

I don't know. You just get a feeling about the end of February. It's been a sod's law sort of winter so it will probably leave with a tongue poking out!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
doctormog
08 February 2019 18:48:26

 

I don't know. You just get a feeling about the end of February. It's been a sod's law sort of winter so it will probably leave with a tongue poking out!

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

You could very well be right and I will be keeping one eye on it just in case.


fairweather
08 February 2019 18:51:13

Don't you just love it when you get a run where you can find two perts on  the 850's at almost the same time point that are 26C apart. Sums up this winter's models admirably. 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
ballamar
08 February 2019 19:47:34

Don't you just love it when you get a run where you can find two perts on  the 850's at almost the same time point that are 26C apart. Sums up this winter's models admirably. 

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

 

better than every run showing a sine wave above average. At least there is uncertainty and potential 

Solar Cycles
08 February 2019 21:09:29

 

I'm pretty much done with this winter. Late winter/early spring cold snaps do not interest me as they once may have. The sunshine today was quite strong and springlike and triggered in me an instinctive itch to get out into the garden and clip things. If it wasn't such a sludge pit, as there has been zero drying this winter, despite the low rainfal all seasonl, then I would have. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Yep, same here. Late winter/early spring cold is pants around these parts. I’m in spring warmth mode from here on. 😎

Maunder Minimum
08 February 2019 22:13:49

What is it with the model output this winter? There is no dressing it up, this has been the worst winter for the accuracy of the output of any NWP model since I have been following them via TWO for well over a decade. For this side of the Atlantic, the models have been utter rubbish - as rubbish as the actual weather experienced on the ground in the West Midlands - no snow and very few frosts.
We have had an excellent virtual winter at day ten, but nothing of note in the real weather! Bah humbug! But there needs to be a post mortem into why the NWP models have gone backwards 20 years in reliability this season.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
08 February 2019 22:16:34

We are now depending and hope casting currently low chances of coming to deliver.

A several day spell mild and springlike warmth is being predicted by the UKMO GFS and ECMWF Models, but we need Spring sunshine to make us enjoy it Lol.

Talking about GFS at 268-292 hours circa 12z run. and looking at the 12z ECMWF model output, looks all perfectly positioned for Azores High retrogressing to a Greenland High.

Then cold Northerly winds pushing south just like the doctor ordered!.

More days of careful analysis is recommended.

 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

Chunky Pea
08 February 2019 22:56:46

What is it with the model output this winter? There is no dressing it up, this has been the worst winter for the accuracy of the output of any NWP model since I have been following them via TWO for well over a decade. For this side of the Atlantic, the models have been utter rubbish - as rubbish as the actual weather experienced on the ground in the West Midlands - no snow and very few frosts.
We have had an excellent virtual winter at day ten, but nothing of note in the real weather! Bah humbug! But there needs to be a post mortem into why the NWP models have gone backwards 20 years in reliability this season.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

I don't think they have performed any worse, or any better, than in previous years. I think it is more down to expectations perhaps being a bit higher this time around due to the 'SSW' event. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

tallyho_83
09 February 2019 00:35:51

That's a very warm Europe for mid February @186:

 


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Caz
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09 February 2019 05:33:54

 

I don't think they have performed any worse, or any better, than in previous years. I think it is more down to expectations perhaps being a bit higher this time around due to the 'SSW' event. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

 I agree!  It’s been a winter of hope casting and disappointment.  Until last winter there was talk about modern winters not delivering Easterlies and now we’ve had a taste, we expect more.  


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Ally Pally Snowman
09 February 2019 07:25:47

Shockingly bad output for cold fans its virtually impossible to be optimistic this morning.  A truly crap winter made worse by the failure of some decent background signals that gave us all more hope than usual.  Next week will feel Spring like in any Sun 15c/16c on the cards next weekend.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Brian Gaze
09 February 2019 08:14:40

ECM ENS uppers looking impressively warm. I use the word advisedly because the values shown wouldn't be too shabby in the summer!  

PS: I know it doesn't necessarily translate to glorious spring at the surface, but equally I think we can possibly rule out Valentine's Day snow this year. 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/ecmwfens.aspx?run=00&lg=850&lglocation=london

 


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Hippydave
09 February 2019 08:22:00

Shockingly bad output for cold fans its virtually impossible to be optimistic this morning.  A truly crap winter made worse by the failure of some decent background signals that gave us all more hope than usual.  Next week will feel Spring like in any Sun 15c/16c on the cards next weekend.

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

GFS ens say 10c, maybe 11c in London, with coolish nights that'll probably mean rural ground frost in favoured spots. ECM ens have a maximum on all members of 12.4c for next Saturday based on last nights run (6.7c ens mean), which synoptically appears very similar to this morning so wouldn't have thought temps would widely differ

There's still a FI signal for retrogression of the HP to Greenland, along with a signal for it to hang around to the South or South West. To me this suggests, as has been the case for a while now, that the longer term options are quite finely balanced between a colder or milder regime.

So far this winter we've not got lucky and tipped in to a properly cold regime, although we did get 2 weeks of chilly and cold weather which brought significant if transient snow to some (kind of what an objective view of the charts suggested would happen). It's not been great this year but in terms of falling and lying snow IMBY it's been alright.

 


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Ally Pally Snowman
09 February 2019 08:42:49

 

GFS ens say 10c, maybe 11c in London, with coolish nights that'll probably mean rural ground frost in favoured spots. ECM ens have a maximum on all members of 12.4c for next Saturday based on last nights run (6.7c ens mean), which synoptically appears very similar to this morning so wouldn't have thought temps would widely differ

There's still a FI signal for retrogression of the HP to Greenland, along with a signal for it to hang around to the South or South West. To me this suggests, as has been the case for a while now, that the longer term options are quite finely balanced between a colder or milder regime.

So far this winter we've not got lucky and tipped in to a properly cold regime, although we did get 2 weeks of chilly and cold weather which brought significant if transient snow to some (kind of what an objective view of the charts suggested would happen). It's not been great this year but in terms of falling and lying snow IMBY it's been alright.

 

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

 

GFS has 14c in NW England next Sunday you can normally add a couple of degrees to that for the out right UK max temp. ECM is also poor at max temps. Both going for a max of 10c today probably means somewhere will get to 13c today. 

 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gfs&var=5&run=0&time=207&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
nsrobins
09 February 2019 08:45:08

Another Easterly carrot snatched away by the looks of things. More energy pulsing out of the US scuppers the recent retrogression signal.
Still a useful week if you work outdoors and dare I say ‘Springlike’ by next weekend. Of course we’ve seen cold spells develop after later winter mild so whilst time remains I’ll keep looking for colder options.

edit: ECM is promising late on but if I’d had a pound and all that.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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moomin75
09 February 2019 08:50:06
Spring is springing. The fake winter is dead. Bring on 14-15c.
Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

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