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ballamar
01 January 2019 14:12:07

Looks llike the cold(er) snap is over before it even gets started!

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

 

how do you work that one out??

doctormog
01 January 2019 14:13:30

Looks llike the cold(er) snap is over before it even gets started!

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

The next week loooks settled and generally a bit colder than average - not really a winter’s blast (and never was modelled as such) just chilly and anticyclonic.

The much anticipated colder weather is forecast from midmonth and is supported by a range of model output. 


Gooner
01 January 2019 16:01:18

Looks llike the cold(er) snap is over before it even gets started!

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

How can something possibly finish before it even starts lol

5c tomorrow 5c Thursday 3c Friday...……..chillier enough me thinks 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Retron
01 January 2019 17:24:43

Ye gods.

(I guess this is the SSW-induced equivalent of those 920hPa lows that the GEFS loves to cook up during zonal periods!)


Leysdown, north Kent
Rob K
01 January 2019 17:46:06
Looks like the coldest GEFS set for a while - I'm only up to pert 10 but the eye candy outweighs the mundane so far.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Retron
01 January 2019 17:46:50
Looking more thoroughly at the GEFS, the vast majority of them have a massive (>1045hPa) high over or close to the Pole in the 8-10 day time frame. That's encouraging if it's cold weather you're after, but it's a bit of a crap-shoot as to where that cold will end up. It's a refreshing change from seeing the deep purple blob of doom sitting atop the Pole!
Leysdown, north Kent
Rob K
01 January 2019 17:50:33

Indeed the mean is now down to -5C for London by the end of the run. The GFSP mentioned above was actually one of the milder options.

 

Yes Darren, at 264hrs the MEAN chart has a 1040mb high over the pole! Rare sight there.

 

 

 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Ally Pally Snowman
01 January 2019 18:01:35

Indeed the mean is now down to -5C for London by the end of the run. The GFSP mentioned above was actually one of the milder options.

 

Yes Darren, at 264hrs the MEAN chart has a 1040mb high over the pole! Rare sight there.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

The Para must be the 6z as the 12z gets  cold late on -8 850s for London 

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
01 January 2019 18:30:03

 

 

The Para must be the 6z as the 12z gets  cold late on -8 850s for London 

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Yes, when I posted that chart the parallel run hadn't even finished coming out so I did wonder!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Ally Pally Snowman
01 January 2019 18:32:46

 

Yes, when I posted that chart the parallel run hadn't even finished coming out so I did wonder!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

I think it must be yesterday's 12z Para as the 0z, 6z and 12z are all cold . 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gooner
01 January 2019 18:57:32

ECM is a decent run ending in


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



doctormog
01 January 2019 18:58:31
Things are still shaping up nicely for midmonth onwards.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_240_1.png 


Ally Pally Snowman
01 January 2019 18:59:10

ECM is a decent run ending in

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

 

That really is a stunning chart frigid 850s incoming from the NE.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
01 January 2019 18:59:49

ECM is a decent run ending in

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Looks promising! UKMO looks less so.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Phil G
01 January 2019 19:08:37
Does make you wonder where ECM goes from here.

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif 

doctormog
01 January 2019 19:08:51

 

Looks promising! UKMO looks less so.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

A lot can change from day 6 (144hr) to day 10 (240hr) and it is hard to say how it would on the UKMO 12z run. However if the ECM stopped at day 6 people may not be that interested either. 


ballamar
01 January 2019 19:46:39
Some very tasty charts this evening UKM 144 aside - ECM looks to be leading into a cold spell, GFS with potentially mind boggling heights over the pole. Good trends and interesting to watch how it develops could be like watching 2010 evolve
Rob K
01 January 2019 19:47:54

 

A lot can change from day 6 (144hr) to day 10 (240hr) and it is hard to say how it would on the UKMO 12z run. However if the ECM stopped at day 6 people may not be that interested either. 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

True, although ECM is keeping the high ridging to the north even by T144 while UKMO has already started to sink it south. A lot will chop and change over the coming days I think!

I said just before Christmas that anyone frustrated with the charts ought to wait until New Year when the eye candy should start appearing, and so it has... 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

White Meadows
01 January 2019 20:58:22
1947 began mid to late January.

Slow trends gathering pace, it’s taking its time. As always it’s not about looking at runs in isolation or pretending the next run will be ‘the decider’.

DEW
  • DEW
  • Advanced Member
01 January 2019 21:02:52

By the pricking of my thumbs
Something wicked this way comes ...

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4 week 2


War is God's way of teaching Americans geography - Ambrose Bierce

Chichester 12m asl

White Meadows
01 January 2019 21:07:56

By the pricking of my thumbs
Something wicked this way comes ...

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4 week 2

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Interesting to see the whole of scandy & north Europe well above normal still. Indicative of a stagnant HP sat there with true surface cold absent. 

If we’re to hit the jackpot like last year we need to mainline a proper frigid continental airmass.

Russwirral
01 January 2019 22:52:20
And then the cold FI signal is gone again

Ive doubt it will reappear on the 6z run.


ballamar
01 January 2019 23:15:38

And then the cold FI signal is gone again

Ive doubt it will reappear on the 6z run.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

 

on the op run but look at the ENS trend

Russwirral
01 January 2019 23:31:33

 

 

on the op run but look at the ENS trend

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

 

The ens from 12z arent much more inspiring tbh. A little bit of scatter below the seasonal norm.. but majority runs above norm until at least 11th Jan.

 

Ive gotta.say we are in the midst of probably some of the worst model runs ive seen in years... maybe even top 5 worst ever period.

 

Ecm seemed to look ok towards the end.. but nothing seems to land on the UK... cold at best gets just near the UK.

 

Not a moan, ive enjoyed the milder weather... but its bonkers how bad its been so far.

 

Edit.... even less scatter on the 18z ens.... above average upper temps for the forseable.


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