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LeedsLad123
19 August 2018 23:14:35

Don't rate the summer climate of France. Only the extreme south (Provence and Cote d'Azur) is good enough for my tastes. 

Last time I was in France in summer 2010 I stayed just south of Carcassonne and the weather was not to my liking at all. Far too cloudy and evenings too cool. It was quite frankly dreadful on several days like drab summer days in the Highlands. One day was overcast with a high of 19C. Another it was pouring rain and 16C so took a trip to Collioure on the coast where there was some type of foehn effect and it was sunshine and 28C. Only problem was there was a howling wind too like nothing I've experienced anywhere except the Isle of Skye.

As for Cornwall, I went there in April 2007 and enjoyed glorious sunshine. The owner of the place I was staying said the weather is always better then and usually dreadful in August when all the tourists come.

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 

Mate, you come from Aberdeen - it's time to lower your expectations. Almost anywhere else in the world is better.


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KevBrads1
20 August 2018 05:31:44

Summers in order with the best at the top 
1976 301
1995 298
2018 281 (up to 19th August)
1983 278
1955 277
1911 274
1984 271
1959 269
1975 268
1949 267
1989 262
1947 255
1933 251


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238

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Phil 2804
20 August 2018 09:19:51

 

Mate, you come from Aberdeen - it's time to lower your expectations. Almost anywhere else in the world is better.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

 

statistically Aberdeen is one of the driest and sunniest cities in the UK, it benefits greatly from the Fohn effect in a SW regime, annual rainfall is about 20% more than London on average and two thirds that of western Scotland, and drier than some places on the South coast of England. You can often watch weatherfronts dry out over the Grampians long before they reach Aberdeen. In terms of sunshine the average is 3h 50 per day rising to six hours in Summer. About 9m less per day than London. None of his posts this summer have born any reality to the actual summer NE Scotland has experienced this year in terms of sunshine and the two prolonged droughts and a July that is second only to 2006 in terms of average max temperatures, even beating out 1995, 2003, 1991, 1990, 1983 and 1984 in the process. 

Jiries
20 August 2018 12:33:43

Summers in order with the best at the top 
1976 301
1995 298
2018 281 (up to 19th August)
1983 278
1955 277
1911 274
1984 271
1959 269
1975 268
1949 267
1989 262
1947 255
1933 251

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

What a real shame August are ruining your potential record.  It was 292 and if wasn't a drop of 11 and instead a rise you would had already hit 303 and beating 1976.

If i were doing it and if August very bad and September be good then i delete August off and put June, July and September.

Bolty
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20 August 2018 12:52:48
Today has again been plagued by cloud, but at least its pleasantly warm and dry. That's made it much more useable than the last week has been.
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andy-manc
20 August 2018 13:07:59

Today has again been plagued by cloud, but at least its pleasantly warm and dry. That's made it much more useable than the last week has been.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Not far away here in Warrington, it has been warm but has been very grey for a couple of hours with light drizzle on and off for the past hour so it has been no better than any other day here 

Crepuscular Ray
21 August 2018 22:04:36
May, June and most of July were quite good up here but my August experience here and in the Lakes has been more typical. Dull and damp.
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Caz
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22 August 2018 04:52:25

 What a real shame August are ruining your potential record.  It was 292 and if wasn't a drop of 11 and instead a rise you would had already hit 303 and beating 1976.

If i were doing it and if August very bad and September be good then i delete August off and put June, July and September.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

  I would too Jiries!    


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LeedsLad123
22 August 2018 07:18:48

May, June and most of July were quite good up here but my August experience here and in the Lakes has been more typical. Dull and damp.

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 

That is definitely the typical Lakes experience even in May and June when their summer weather is supposed to be peak (in reality there's not much difference). Even compared to the rest of the UK it is exceptionally wet and dull on average. I would never go there with the expectation of good weather!


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richardabdn
22 August 2018 21:04:06

24.3 hours sun here between 12th and 21st August of which almost half was recorded on just one day (16th). A dreadful performance which constituted the dullest 10-day spell in August since 2012.

An extreme contrast with 138.8 hours recorded between 25th June and 4th July which is the highest total I have recorded for a 10 day period. 

At this rate the entire month of August will fail to match that total. 1921 is definitely the closest match for this summer. Excellent start, hideous end.

 


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KevBrads1
23 August 2018 15:29:02

Summers in order with the best at the top
1976 301
1995 298
2018 278 (up to 22nd August)
1983 278
1955 277
1911 274
1984 271
1959 269
1975 268
1949 267
1989 262
1947 255
1933 251


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238

Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgrSD1BwFz2feWDTydhpEhQ/playlists

richardabdn
23 August 2018 17:53:50

Summers in Aberdeen where June and July recorded over 400 hours sun and then August recorded below 150 hours:

1889, 1895, 1905, 1917, 1920, 1921, 1943, 1949, 1967, 2006

This summer belongs in that group of 'collapsed' summers.  Certainly not amongst the elite of 1911, 1933, 1947, 1955, 1976, 1995 and 2003.


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TimS
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23 August 2018 18:36:27
Meanwhile just to our South in mid France Macon has hit its monthly average sunshine hours today with another 8 days remaining. 241hrs.

Average max and min month to date 30.4C and 18.8C. July numbers were 30.0 and 17.6 for full month. So the summer hasn’t collapsed on the near continent, yet.


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Jiries
23 August 2018 19:51:40

Meanwhile just to our South in mid France Macon has hit its monthly average sunshine hours today with another 8 days remaining. 241hrs.

Average max and min month to date 30.4C and 18.8C. July numbers were 30.0 and 17.6 for full month. So the summer hasn’t collapsed on the near continent, yet.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

Exactly and is nothing to do with us being an island as other large islands don't have collapsed summers or other large islands like NZ, etc.  I always strongly believe the season to Autumn and Winter would collapse it as time goes and then gaining during spring to summer.

Phil 2804
23 August 2018 21:07:45

Summers in Aberdeen where June and July recorded over 400 hours sun and then August recorded below 150 hours:

1889, 1895, 1905, 1917, 1920, 1921, 1943, 1949, 1967, 2006

This summer belongs in that group of 'collapsed' summers.  Certainly not amongst the elite of 1911, 1933, 1947, 1955, 1976, 1995 and 2003.

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 

 

June 1976 was poor in NE Scotland. There was frequent haar resulting in just 75% of average sunshine and it was often wet with near  average rainfall. July was marginally better August was the best month. In summary you'd have hated summer 76 if you'd lived through it. 

My Mum has always maintained 1975 was a much better summer in Aberdeen and the stats back her up, started in May and remained above average through to August. 

Gusty
23 August 2018 21:18:45

This summer belongs in that group of 'collapsed' summers.  Certainly not amongst the elite of 1911, 1933, 1947, 1955, 1976, 1995 and 2003.

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 

You would have found plenty of fault with those summers if you had cherry picked hard enough.


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johncs2016
23 August 2018 21:57:11

Although August was poor, I didn't think that this has been a bad summer overall and to say that it was simply as a result of August being poor is actually no different in my book to referring to the winter of 2010-11 as a crap winter overall just because February 2011 was really mild.

This is the first time that I've seen a front-loaded summer such as this one being referred to as a 'collapsed' summer, although I can see where that term comes from. Similarly, we can also refer to the winter of 2010-11 as a 'collapsed' winter because back then, the coldest weather of that winter with the most amount of snow came in that December to remember of 2010, and even before then towards the end of November 2010 before we had technically, even got into that actual winter.

Then, the decline in our winter fortunes started in January 2011 when it became much more unsettled, wetter and not as cold before it all went wrong from a cold and wintry perspective in February 2011 with that much milder weather and early taste of spring.

This summer has actually just been the summer equivalent of that because we had that really hot weather during May and June, and even into the first half of July before the decline in our summer fortunes then started in the second half of July. That in turn, has been followed by a poor August with an early taste of autumn about to come our way over the next few days.

Yet, we never seem to look back at the winter of 2010-11 as being a poor winter just because of that mild February, so that still goes down in our memories as a cold and severe winter. Because of that, there is no reason why this summer can't be remembered in this same way as a decent summer overall, despite the poor August which we are currently experiencing.


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Phil 2804
24 August 2018 09:51:15

 

You would have found plenty of fault with those summers if you had cherry picked hard enough.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

 

1995 started wet and cool, wasn’t really until the 20th it dried out, July was dry but nothing special in terms of temperatures August was the best month by far with a record week which saw two all time records set at Aberdeen Airport all ruined by the dreadful floods on the weekend of 12th September which saw 4 months rain in 4 days. Overall June July 2018 we’re warmer and drier than both the corresponding periods of 1976 and 1995. In fact afaik only July 2006 beats 2018 in NE Scotland in terms of average max, and 2018 looks to have had more sunshine with around 40 days with in excess of 10 hours of sun. 

 

David M Porter
24 August 2018 09:56:22

Summers in order with the best at the top
1976 301
1995 298
2018 278 (up to 22nd August)
1983 278
1955 277
1911 274
1984 271
1959 269
1975 268
1949 267
1989 262
1947 255
1933 251

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Interesting that this summer, at 22nd August anyway, was level-pegging with 1983. No-one has ever described the summer of 1983 as a poor one from all I have read about it in the past, so this summer must have been pretty decent in the grand scheme of things even if August has been a bit of a let-down.


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David M Porter
24 August 2018 10:02:17

 

 

1995 started wet and cool, wasn’t really until the 20th it dried out, July was dry but nothing special in terms of temperatures August was the best month by far with a record week which saw two all time records set at Aberdeen Airport all ruined by the dreadful floods on the weekend of 12th September which saw 4 months rain in 4 days. Overall June July 2018 we’re warmer and drier than both the corresponding periods of 1976 and 1995. In fact afaik only July 2006 beats 2018 in NE Scotland in terms of average max, and 2018 looks to have had more sunshine with around 40 days with in excess of 10 hours of sun. 

 

Originally Posted by: Phil 2804 

I remember the opening couple of weeks of June 1995 as often being cool and cloudy here, but oddly enough I don't recall there being a great deal of rain; certainly not any more than my part of the world should expect at that time of year. I do remember some warm and reasonably sunny days in the early part of that June too though; the second weekend of that month was warm and bright here as were the following few days from what I recall. Late June, most of July and almost the entire month of August in 1995 were fantastic. Maybe not the greatest June there have ever been when taken as a whole, but not the worst either and certainly much better than some of the abominations of Junes that came not that many years later; 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002 etc.


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andy-manc
24 August 2018 10:53:47

 

Interesting that this summer, at 22nd August anyway, was level-pegging with 1983. No-one has ever described the summer of 1983 as a poor one from all I have read about it in the past, so this summer must have been pretty decent in the grand scheme of things even if August has been a bit of a let-down.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

The summer has been pretty good but August has just been increasingly poor. It started well and has just slipped and slipped until we are where we are today 14C showers. I suspect after today and yesterday, we will have slipped below 1955 (5th) in Kev's list then probably below 1911 (6th) going into next week. Maybe level off a bit then based on next week's forecast so far. Finishing in the top 10 summers isn't a bad place to be. Hoped and expected more though. I thought we would have one or two more shots at heat.

I think maybe we just need to see our summer as May-July this year.

Bolty
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24 August 2018 11:34:57
To say that summer 2018 has been poor is ridiculous. It's been a fantastic summer, it's just a shame that August has cast a bit of a shadow on the end of it. It's been a bit like a football match where one team has truly dominated the match, but then lost focus at the 80th minute and let the other team sneak a goal or two in, lessening their victory a bit.

Saying that, if we do see a recovery in September (looking very likely going by the models at the moment) then we could still be on course for the best extended summer on record (May-September). I keep saying that neither 1976 or 1995 managed a good May or September (in fact June 1995 was also pretty crap until about the 21st), so doing that this year would get four out of five of the extended summer months up there.


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johncs2016
24 August 2018 13:13:01

Upon reading the above comments, I'm not even so sure that August has been as bad here as what people are making it out to be.

Yes, this month has been poor in comparison with the other summer months (June and July). However, I still wouldn't refer to it as being one of the worst summer months which we have ever had. If this was a genuinely really unsettled spell of weather which we are experiencing just now, the resulting rainfall totals would surely be coming out as being wetter than average overall.

Yes, this month has been a bit wetter overall than the other summer months, but we're still not getting any really massive rainfall amounts out of that and I would be struggling to even call this a wetter than average month overall as far as the whole of the UK is concerned.

Here in Edinburgh, I have an exact casing point for that because those of you who read my updates on other threads within this forum will know that I like to keep a record of the rainfall totals at Edinburgh Gogarbank and the botanic gardens in Edinburgh. Yes, this has been a wetter than average month at the botanic gardens in Edinburgh according to those records.

At Edinburgh Gogarbank though, it has been a completely different story. Here, we are still three official rain days away from this month being a wetter than average month there in terms of the number of official rain days and with just a week to go now until the end of the month, there is no guarantee that we will get that in the end. Furthermore, a further 18.8 mm of rain is now needed to make this month wetter than average there in terms of the actual rainfall amounts, and I have to say that this is now turning out to be quite a big ask. The most likely outcome therefore, is that it is likely to end up being slightly drier than average during this month at Edinburgh Gogarbank and yet in a truly unsettled month, this is something which would surely not be happening.

In addition to that, this month is still turning out to be a bit warmer than average overall, even though it might not feel like that out there just now. In a really poor summer month though, we would be expecting it to be cooler than average overall and yet, that has not been the case on this occasion. The only thing which is actually wrong with this month is the fact that it has been quite a lot duller than average overall and when you add all of that together, you can't really refer to this month as being so bad overall, after all.


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andy-manc
24 August 2018 13:50:24

I can't say I think it has been one of the poorest summer months I have experienced but it is certainly one of the most disappointing on the back of the rest of summer. I feel like temperatures have probably been slightly above average overall. Rainfall has probably been about average. Hard to judge cos it hasn't rained constantly but there have been days of on and off heavy showers and days where we have had lots of drizzle. I'm expecting sun levels to be below average though and after a particularly sunny summer, that has hit the hardest.

Calling summer 2018 poor is ridiculous for anyone in the UK. Fair enough there could be a debate over whether it has been great or very good but poor? We have had some poor summers and this isn't one of them whether you come from Edinburgh, Manchester or London. The stats speak for themselves anyway. Above average does not equate to poor.

Because of May and June and how dry and dusty the ground was at that time, this will go down as the 2nd best and most memorable summer of my lifetime of 32 years, obviously behind 1995. What was nice about those months as well was in the NW under that easterly we actually seemed to get the best of the weather which is quite an upside down achievement!

I judge a summer by how many times my shorts come out of the drawer and this year, I wore them almost every day for 2 months then numerous times the month later. In some summers they only come out for a couple of days. I even had to buy a new pair of shorts this year to broaden my range!! :O

Bolty
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24 August 2018 14:51:49

I can't say I think it has been one of the poorest summer months I have experienced but it is certainly one of the most disappointing on the back of the rest of summer. I feel like temperatures have probably been slightly above average overall. Rainfall has probably been about average. Hard to judge cos it hasn't rained constantly but there have been days of on and off heavy showers and days where we have had lots of drizzle. I'm expecting sun levels to be below average though and after a particularly sunny summer, that has hit the hardest.

Calling summer 2018 poor is ridiculous for anyone in the UK. Fair enough there could be a debate over whether it has been great or very good but poor? We have had some poor summers and this isn't one of them whether you come from Edinburgh, Manchester or London. The stats speak for themselves anyway. Above average does not equate to poor.

Because of May and June and how dry and dusty the ground was at that time, this will go down as the 2nd best and most memorable summer of my lifetime of 32 years, obviously behind 1995. What was nice about those months as well was in the NW under that easterly we actually seemed to get the best of the weather which is quite an upside down achievement!

I judge a summer by how many times my shorts come out of the drawer and this year, I wore them almost every day for 2 months then numerous times the month later. In some summers they only come out for a couple of days. I even had to buy a new pair of shorts this year to broaden my range!! :O

Originally Posted by: andy-manc 

Believe it or not, the only thing that has really let this August down is the dullness. It's been fairly dry and fairly warm. Had the sun just come out more often then I think most of us would have had a much higher opinion than we do now.


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