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#1521 Posted : 06 November 2011 12:51:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gavin D Go to Quoted Post

Positive weather solutions and Netweather both have a white christmas percentage tool on their websites and both with 50 days to go don't offer anything higher than 30% for Scotland and North East England, still ample time for change will be interesting to see how this changes as the days count down to the big day.

White Christmas 2011

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Christmas Forecast 2011
Uk Temperature average anomaly (Netweather)
http://hw.nwstatic.co.uk/images/winter/xmas2011/cfsxmas1.png

 

TWO Have one also...

And North and South currently 27%

 http://theweatheroutlook.com/forecast/Christmas-weather-forecast

Me & Gusty go with 10% Chance for SE at present

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#1522 Posted : 06 November 2011 12:57:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gavin D Go to Quoted Post

Those hoping for a cold winter should look away now

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/images3/euT2mMon.gif

I know it's the infamous CFS charts but what a difference a year makes, this time last year Northern Europe was under deep blues for December and lighter blues for January.




Thanks for the breaking news on all mild related matters.

Pint of mild anyone?

*rolls eyes smiley*
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#1523 Posted : 06 November 2011 15:49:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gavin D Go to Quoted Post

Those hoping for a cold winter should look away now

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/images3/euT2mMon.gif

I know it's the infamous CFS charts but what a difference a year makes, this time last year Northern Europe was under deep blues for December and lighter blues for January.

Oh come on! When is this..........I hope it will be mild for 12 months of the year going to end? this is really starting to get on my wick now! Those charts show average winter weather, which to be honest will suit me! I just wish some people would have a balanced view without trying to wind other members up which tbh you continually try to do! personally i think you are a cold ramper trying to get to a point where you don't get disappointed if it is a mild winter but there we go that is just imo!

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#1524 Posted : 06 November 2011 16:14:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Frostbite80 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gavin D Go to Quoted Post

Those hoping for a cold winter should look away now

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/images3/euT2mMon.gif

I know it's the infamous CFS charts but what a difference a year makes, this time last year Northern Europe was under deep blues for December and lighter blues for January.

Oh come on! When is this..........I hope it will be mild for 12 months of the year going to end? this is really starting to get on my wick now! Those charts show average winter weather, which to be honest will suit me! I just wish some people would have a balanced view without trying to wind other members up which tbh you continually try to do! personally i think you are a cold ramper trying to get to a point where you don't get disappointed if it is a mild winter but there we go that is just imo!

 Calm down!  It's only a model output

Gavin was simply pointing out that they do not show the cold they were showing this time last year.   Fact.   He has no expressed any opinion on whether he would like it to prove correct or not. 

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#1525 Posted : 06 November 2011 16:25:50(UTC)
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Those hoping for a mild winter should look away now


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/images3/euT2mMon.gif


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#1526 Posted : 06 November 2011 16:50:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
Those hoping for a mild winter should look away now

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/images3/euT2mMon.gif

 

Oh come on! When is this..........I hope it will be cold for 12 months of the year going to end? this is really starting to get on my wick now! Those charts show average winter weather, which to be honest will suit me! I just wish some people would have a balanced view without trying to wind other members up which tbh you continually try to do! personally i think you are a mild ramper trying to get to a point where you don't get disappointed if it is a cold winter but there we go that is just imo!

 

 



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#1527 Posted : 06 November 2011 16:54:22(UTC)
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LOL!

In all seriousness though I have rarely seen long range charts change as much as this CPC t2m anomaly charts.
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#1528 Posted : 06 November 2011 17:00:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
LOL!

In all seriousness though I have rarely seen long range charts change as much as this CPC t2m anomaly charts.

Shows I think, just how difficult this one looks to call atm



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#1529 Posted : 06 November 2011 17:01:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
LOL!

In all seriousness though I have rarely seen long range charts change as much as this CPC t2m anomaly charts.

Shows I think, just how difficult this one looks to call atm



I agree Jon. It might be my memory playing tricks but I am sure last year's chart were more consistent.
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#1530 Posted : 06 November 2011 17:09:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
Those hoping for a mild winter should look away now

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/images3/euT2mMon.gif

 

Oh come on! When is this..........I hope it will be cold for 12 months of the year going to end? this is really starting to get on my wick now! Those charts show average winter weather, which to be honest will suit me! I just wish some people would have a balanced view without trying to wind other members up which tbh you continually try to do! personally i think you are a mild ramper trying to get to a point where you don't get disappointed if it is a cold winter but there we go that is just imo!

 

 

As to the "Fact" if someone consistently and repeatedly responds to anything remotely mild or dry by going 

And then repeatedly (ad nauseum) questioning anything which looks remotely cold (and I admit the Madden/Express point was fair, but I got it after the first post), then I may just may draw a conclusion about which direction he's going in. 

I feel it's trolling and the frequency with which it is being rolled out is getting tiresome (much as if several times a day someone was saying I hope its cold and rains all through summer).

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#1531 Posted : 06 November 2011 18:19:40(UTC)
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http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa...images3/nino34SSTMon.gif

Up and Up we go. The rest of November and most of winter, a weaker la nina than last year. I know the link above is not everything, but it is encouraging to see. The blue runs are new forecast members.

Gavin P, was SPOT ON with the ever weakening la nina. If we can trust this, then maybe this is why the models are starting to slip back into the blocking territory. There is definitely signs. With the predicted weakening La nina, it bodes well for colder than average weather. It adds up, because the chart above shows November/december onwards to be around -1 to -1.5 which is weak.

I don't know how true it is, but someone mentioned that there is a major stratospheric warming coming up as well.
Snow days, winter of 2011/12

December 4th, snow showers in evening, a little sugar coating on some surface
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December 6th, sleet/mix of snow and rain in the evening


Temperatures for December:

1st December 5.5c 2nd December 5.5c 3rd December 9c 4th December 4c
5th December 5c 6th December 4.7c 7th December 6c 8th December 11c
9th December 5c
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#1532 Posted : 06 November 2011 19:37:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sunnyhighpressure Go to Quoted Post
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/images3/nino34SSTMon.gif

Up and Up we go. The rest of November and most of winter, a weaker la nina than last year. I know the link above is not everything, but it is encouraging to see. The blue runs are new forecast members.

Gavin P, was SPOT ON with the ever weakening la nina. If we can trust this, then maybe this is why the models are starting to slip back into the blocking territory. There is definitely signs. With the predicted weakening La nina, it bodes well for colder than average weather. It adds up, because the chart above shows November/december onwards to be around -1 to -1.5 which is weak.

I don't know how true it is, but someone mentioned that there is a major stratospheric warming coming up as well.

Yes I think a strong La Nina is now simply not going to happen,i'm doubting we'll see even a moderate event so it looks like ENSO will be weak.

As far as the Strat is concerned im a bit puzzled where this talk of a warming event is coming from,the only indicator i can think of is Ozone levels over the Pole which are,the last time i checked,below average not above?

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#1533 Posted : 06 November 2011 19:44:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Albert Steptoe Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: sunnyhighpressure Go to Quoted Post
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/images3/nino34SSTMon.gif

Up and Up we go. The rest of November and most of winter, a weaker la nina than last year. I know the link above is not everything, but it is encouraging to see. The blue runs are new forecast members.

Gavin P, was SPOT ON with the ever weakening la nina. If we can trust this, then maybe this is why the models are starting to slip back into the blocking territory. There is definitely signs. With the predicted weakening La nina, it bodes well for colder than average weather. It adds up, because the chart above shows November/december onwards to be around -1 to -1.5 which is weak.

I don't know how true it is, but someone mentioned that there is a major stratospheric warming coming up as well.

Yes I think a strong La Nina is now simply not going to happen,i'm doubting we'll see even a moderate event so it looks like ENSO will be weak.

As far as the Strat is concerned im a bit puzzled where this talk of a warming event is coming from,the only indicator i can think of is Ozone levels over the Pole which are,the last time i checked,below average not above?

I think ozone levels have been increasing recently - especially over N Canada - possibly as a result of the early snowfalls in the US (which are far South enough to reflect decent levels of sunlight back & ozone is created through a photochemical reaction). We also have a decent snowcover across parts of central Asia (relative to the average) - which can feed into the equation.  There's no sign yet of a temperature increase in the stratosphere though - very average there at the moment.

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#1534 Posted : 07 November 2011 08:02:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steam Fog Go to Quoted Post

I feel it's trolling and the frequency with which it is being rolled out is getting tiresome (much as if several times a day someone was saying I hope its cold and rains all through summer).



No more so than someone constantly looking for the slightest hint that it'll be the coldest winter on record

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#1535 Posted : 07 November 2011 10:03:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Essan Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog Go to Quoted Post

I feel it's trolling and the frequency with which it is being rolled out is getting tiresome (much as if several times a day someone was saying I hope its cold and rains all through summer).



No more so than someone constantly looking for the slightest hint that it'll be the coldest winter on record

Essan - why drag me into this private dispute?

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#1536 Posted : 07 November 2011 10:14:28(UTC)

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Weather Onlines take for the end of Autumn and into December

Valid from 23/11 to 20/12 2011

Settled mid-November

'Winter is on my head, but eternal spring is in my heart'. Victor Hugo (1802 - 1885)

There remains some confidence that the current unsettled conditions will abate through the middle of the month when a recovery in pressure takes place, the exact location of this is somewhat uncertain at the moment, although on current evidence an anticyclone is expected to build to the north before slipping into the UK and taking control of the pattern.

The latter stages of November see low pressure becoming more influential across the UK and a more Atlantic orientated flow establishing to carry us through to the end of the month. Colder air is anticipated to be drawn into the pattern from the north or northeast, so more of a wintry flavour to close the month into the beginning of December.

The first week of December should see these rather chilly conditions continuing for a while with low pressure in control, less cold air should move through the UK as a westerly Atlantic flow establishes behind a transient ridge of high pressure, rain and strong winds affecting all areas.

Full outlook for the first 3 weeks of December can be found here

 

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#1537 Posted : 07 November 2011 10:54:48(UTC)
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Third gritter in 2 nights.
Keep safe during the winter months!

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There is frost that is still lying from the morning and its freezing! Snow soon? :D
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#1538 Posted : 07 November 2011 11:52:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gavin D Go to Quoted Post

Valid from 23/11 to 20/12 2011

Settled mid-November

'Winter is on my head, but eternal spring is in my heart'. Victor Hugo (1802 - 1885)

There remains some confidence that the current unsettled conditions will abate through the middle of the month when a recovery in pressure takes place, the exact location of this is somewhat uncertain at the moment, although on current evidence an anticyclone is expected to build to the north before slipping into the UK and taking control of the pattern.

The latter stages of November see low pressure becoming more influential across the UK and a more Atlantic orientated flow establishing to carry us through to the end of the month. Colder air is anticipated to be drawn into the pattern from the north or northeast, so more of a wintry flavour to close the month into the beginning of December.

The first week of December should see these rather chilly conditions continuing for a while with low pressure in control, less cold air should move through the UK as a westerly Atlantic flow establishes behind a transient ridge of high pressure, rain and strong winds affecting all areas.

Full outlook for the first 3 weeks of December can be found here

 

Looks as though WEATHERONLINE are forecasting another wintry run up to Christmas - For third year running.

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#1539 Posted : 07 November 2011 13:25:50(UTC)
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Yes, it is important to name the person/organisation's work your copying not just link it, out of respect and also, for the ease of the reader.
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#1540 Posted : 07 November 2011 14:00:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Younger Dryas Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Essan Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog Go to Quoted Post

I feel it's trolling and the frequency with which it is being rolled out is getting tiresome (much as if several times a day someone was saying I hope its cold and rains all through summer).



No more so than someone constantly looking for the slightest hint that it'll be the coldest winter on record

Essan - why drag me into this private dispute?

Ok your name is not mentioned.
Why do you thing Essan is referring to you.
Unless your name is mentioned please do not post stupid comments like this.
I should delete your post.
However I shall issue a warning, one more post like this and you will receive a ban.
Post on topic.


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