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#2101 Posted : 30 April 2012 21:27:19(UTC)
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Well I can give you the heads up on what it's like for your club to go bankrupt! 

It's not nice.

Indeed it isn't mate, and I can imagine that you will still feel rather angry about the way Leeds were run by Peter Ridsdale and his board during the time they were in charge at Elland Road and the way they allowed huge debts to be racked up. I know that's exactly how I feel about Sir David Murray and, to a slightly lesser extent and for different reasons, Craig Whyte.

As one manager whom I saw interviewed on the BBC by Alan Hansen several years ago said, "Football has got to realise that it's in a real world. At the moment it's in fantasy land". Nothing much has changed unfortunately.

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

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#2102 Posted : 30 April 2012 21:50:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

 It's all about managers and player selection.  

With Man City's spending power though they really will move apart from the rest. I think Chelseas main mistake was they just signed players with big reputations rather then Man City who are more carefully picking out the players to fit into a formation (e.g Kompany, Yaya Toure and Aguero). It will probably sound OTT, but I really do see Man City really dominating over the next few years, by quite a distance

If Shiteh had a better manager they'd have wrapped up this season's title by now. On paper United can't compete with them in terms of squad depth.

And if they manage to get Hazard for next season it'll probably be game over for United.

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#2103 Posted : 30 April 2012 22:19:21(UTC)
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Yes, yes, yes, yes. yes!!!

 


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#2104 Posted : 01 May 2012 06:41:48(UTC)
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City deserve their win last night.. Man U struggled in midfield with the ageing duo of Giggs and Scholes plus  Ji Sung Park who hasnt featured for a long time. Do not understand why Valencia didnt start as the lad has been on fire and will put in a hard shift.  Rooney could do nothing.. no supply. However despite all Citys attacking options they too struggled to open up a changed Utd back four who i thought in general coped quite well. Citys defenders cruised through the game... Citys title to throw away now, Utd done that a cple of weeks ago.

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#2105 Posted : 01 May 2012 07:13:59(UTC)
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City deserved it as they will do the title should they go on and win it. Not to have had a single shot on target is very unlike United...I think it spells trouble next year if City get the monkey off their back, united need 3 or 4 midfielders for me as they don't have one a really rate at the club.

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#2106 Posted : 01 May 2012 09:38:49(UTC)
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Looks like Arsenal are doing some good early business - Podolski deal done, talks with Vertonghen, which leaves just M'Vila left of their targets.

If they can get those three they're going to be even more dificult to dislodge from third next season.

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#2107 Posted : 01 May 2012 11:14:47(UTC)
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I have no affection for City or United but when I found out the result this morning a part of me did feel sad about it. City are on the rise and possibly the end of the road for Fergie won't be many more years away now. People look back to the days of Busby, Stein, Clough, Shankly and Paisley with amazement and Fergie belongs to be part of those names however much of a red nosed mouthy ***** he can be.

It is a triumph of one club buying it was to the prem title (and why shouldn't they if they have the cash) versus players of my generation in Giggs and Scholes who I have grown up watching and a team spirit that Fergie has tried to instill in all of his sides. 

I don't like either particularly, but I would back United over City every time if forced to pick.

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#2108 Posted : 01 May 2012 11:21:42(UTC)
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I have no affection for City or United but when I found out the result this morning a part of me did feel sad about it. City are on the rise and possibly the end of the road for Fergie won't be many more years away now. People look back to the days of Busby, Stein, Clough, Shankly and Paisley with amazement and Fergie belongs to be part of those names however much of a red nosed mouthy ***** he can be.

It is a triumph of one club buying it was to the prem title (and why shouldn't they if they have the cash) versus players of my generation in Giggs and Scholes who I have grown up watching and a team spirit that Fergie has tried to instill in all of his sides. 

I don't like either particularly, but I would back United over City every time if forced to pick.

Agree

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#2109 Posted : 01 May 2012 11:26:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees Go to Quoted Post

I have no affection for City or United but when I found out the result this morning a part of me did feel sad about it. City are on the rise and possibly the end of the road for Fergie won't be many more years away now. People look back to the days of Busby, Stein, Clough, Shankly and Paisley with amazement and Fergie belongs to be part of those names however much of a red nosed mouthy ***** he can be.

It is a triumph of one club buying it was to the prem title (and why shouldn't they if they have the cash) versus players of my generation in Giggs and Scholes who I have grown up watching and a team spirit that Fergie has tried to instill in all of his sides. 

I don't like either particularly, but I would back United over City every time if forced to pick.

Disagree. I'd like Citeh to win the title just to see a change in scenery for a while. I know they've bought it, but that doesn't necessarily equal years and years of dominance to come. Just look at Chelsea 



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#2110 Posted : 01 May 2012 12:27:14(UTC)
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I agree that the Giggs, Scholes, Beckham type development was to Manchester United's credit. I remember watching Leeds v Man U in the Youth Cup final in the 1990s, and we beat them over two legs. 35,000 turned up at Elland Road, just surpassing the crowd at Old Trafford.

The relative fortunes of the clubs speaks volumes since those days, I guess.

But Man U spend a lot of money, don't forget, lest we get all dewy eyed about it. Their youth development is nowhere near as productive now. City's money has been better spent than, say, Liverpool's.

And City do try and play the game in an attacking fashion. One of the things about the 'purchased' Chelsea team was that they were horrible to watch (still are to an extent), but Mancini's side do have some creative players who score some sensational goals.

 

 

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#2111 Posted : 01 May 2012 12:32:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: future_is_orange Go to Quoted Post

City deserve their win last night.. Man U struggled in midfield with the ageing duo of Giggs and Scholes plus  Ji Sung Park who hasnt featured for a long time. Do not understand why Valencia didnt start as the lad has been on fire and will put in a hard shift.  Rooney could do nothing.. no supply. However despite all Citys attacking options they too struggled to open up a changed Utd back four who i thought in general coped quite well. Citys defenders cruised through the game... Citys title to throw away now, Utd done that a cple of weeks ago.



As soon as I saw United's line-up I felt that City had an advantage before a ball had been kicked. You never quite know what you're going to get with Nani, whereas Valencia has been a consistent performer this season, and in my view, one of their key players. Gary Neville I'm sure will have had an insight into Ferguson's choice, and he felt ahead of the game that Nani was fancied to perform against Clichy. Similarly, Park and Giggs should have been left on the bench (Scholes is always worth a start) - they'd have been much stronger with Young and Wellbeck from the off. So for me, Ferguson was to blame for this defeat as much as anybody - at least Smalling could claim inexperience! Having said all that, City's performance last night was quite clinical. Their intricate passing and interplay around and within the 18 yard box was very reminiscent of Arsenal at their peak. But still six points up for grabs, and there may well be a banana skin waiting.

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#2112 Posted : 01 May 2012 12:34:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees Go to Quoted Post

It is a triumph of one club buying it was to the prem title (and why shouldn't they if they have the cash) versus players of my generation in Giggs and Scholes who I have grown up watching and a team spirit that Fergie has tried to instill in all of his sides. 

You've still got to know how to win as a team regardless of how good your players are. It's the same with most sports. Once the duck is broken the sportsman/team often goes on to win again and again. FWIW I think City have done reasonably ok with Mancini when all things are factored in, including their budget.

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#2113 Posted : 01 May 2012 13:20:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees Go to Quoted Post

I have no affection for City or United but when I found out the result this morning a part of me did feel sad about it. City are on the rise and possibly the end of the road for Fergie won't be many more years away now. People look back to the days of Busby, Stein, Clough, Shankly and Paisley with amazement and Fergie belongs to be part of those names however much of a red nosed mouthy ***** he can be.

It is a triumph of one club buying it was to the prem title (and why shouldn't they if they have the cash) versus players of my generation in Giggs and Scholes who I have grown up watching and a team spirit that Fergie has tried to instill in all of his sides. 

I don't like either particularly, but I would back United over City every time if forced to pick.

You make it sound like Man U never splurged massive money on transfers, trumping what other teams (at the time) could afford. Yes, they were blessed with a true 'golden generation' who cost nothing and came through the ranks in the 90's. That saved them £millions. However, a quick look at the prices they've paid for players over the years shows that they've consistently broken transfer records, and paid mega-bucks for what were merely squad players:

1998: Jaap Stam £11m (then record for a defender) Dwight Yorke £13m

1999: Fabien Bartez £8m

2001: Van Nistleroy £18m / Juan Veron £28m

2002: Rio Ferdinand £27m

2003: Louis Saha £13m

2004: Wayne Rooney £27m

2006 - Michael Carrick £18m

2007 - Nani £14m / Anderson £15m / Hargreaves £17m

2008 - Berbatov £30m

2009 - Valencia £19m

2010 - Smalling £10m

2011 - Jones £18m / De Gea £19m / Young £17m

 

Don't try to make out that Man U are gallant paupers, valiantly battling the evil moneybags of football. It was only a couple of years ago that their home was known as Gold Trafford because of the money they threw around.


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Liverpool off to another storming start

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#2115 Posted : 01 May 2012 21:39:20(UTC)
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Excellent result by Fulham

True winning goal was an own goal, however Liverpool were otherwise shut out

I understand that most of the Liverpool team were rested before the cup final, however allowing Fulham their first ever win at Anfield does strike me as misguided.

Also apparently Andy Carrol was poop poor.

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#2116 Posted : 01 May 2012 21:42:20(UTC)
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Stoke draw with Everton 1-1 also featured an own goal from Peter Crouch, however it helps keep Everton above Liverpool

Worth it for that!

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#2117 Posted : 02 May 2012 07:43:09(UTC)
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Liverpool off to another storming start

So funny isn't it, I hope they keep Kenny for next year......it's be great to see Liverpool go down

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Originally Posted by: wallaw Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post

Liverpool off to another storming start

So funny isn't it, I hope they keep Kenny for next year......it's be great to see Liverpool go down



Disappointing result against Fulham, yes, but it's just one of those end-of-season games that means little, apart from the fact that we will finish below Everton, but given the results against our neighbours this year, I think we can live with that. More important that we get a fully fit squad available for Wembley. Looking forward to seeing the REAL Liverpool at Wembley... and hopefully a second trophy at the end of such a crap season! 

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#2119 Posted : 02 May 2012 08:11:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees Go to Quoted Post

I have no affection for City or United but when I found out the result this morning a part of me did feel sad about it. City are on the rise and possibly the end of the road for Fergie won't be many more years away now. People look back to the days of Busby, Stein, Clough, Shankly and Paisley with amazement and Fergie belongs to be part of those names however much of a red nosed mouthy ***** he can be.

It is a triumph of one club buying it was to the prem title (and why shouldn't they if they have the cash) versus players of my generation in Giggs and Scholes who I have grown up watching and a team spirit that Fergie has tried to instill in all of his sides. 

I don't like either particularly, but I would back United over City every time if forced to pick.

You make it sound like Man U never splurged massive money on transfers, trumping what other teams (at the time) could afford. Yes, they were blessed with a true 'golden generation' who cost nothing and came through the ranks in the 90's. That saved them £millions. However, a quick look at the prices they've paid for players over the years shows that they've consistently broken transfer records, and paid mega-bucks for what were merely squad players:

1998: Jaap Stam £11m (then record for a defender) Dwight Yorke £13m

1999: Fabien Bartez £8m

2001: Van Nistleroy £18m / Juan Veron £28m

2002: Rio Ferdinand £27m

2003: Louis Saha £13m

2004: Wayne Rooney £27m

2006 - Michael Carrick £18m

2007 - Nani £14m / Anderson £15m / Hargreaves £17m

2008 - Berbatov £30m

2009 - Valencia £19m

2010 - Smalling £10m

2011 - Jones £18m / De Gea £19m / Young £17m

 

Don't try to make out that Man U are gallant paupers, valiantly battling the evil moneybags of football. It was only a couple of years ago that their home was known as Gold Trafford because of the money they threw around.


Problem is Saint the money United spent is the money United earned with the exception of Arsenal who else can you say that about? Spurs maybe? Liverpool before this seasons utter disaster? United never bought the title they earned it.

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#2120 Posted : 02 May 2012 09:01:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Lazy Wind Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees Go to Quoted Post

I have no affection for City or United but when I found out the result this morning a part of me did feel sad about it. City are on the rise and possibly the end of the road for Fergie won't be many more years away now. People look back to the days of Busby, Stein, Clough, Shankly and Paisley with amazement and Fergie belongs to be part of those names however much of a red nosed mouthy ***** he can be.

It is a triumph of one club buying it was to the prem title (and why shouldn't they if they have the cash) versus players of my generation in Giggs and Scholes who I have grown up watching and a team spirit that Fergie has tried to instill in all of his sides. 

I don't like either particularly, but I would back United over City every time if forced to pick.

You make it sound like Man U never splurged massive money on transfers, trumping what other teams (at the time) could afford. Yes, they were blessed with a true 'golden generation' who cost nothing and came through the ranks in the 90's. That saved them £millions. However, a quick look at the prices they've paid for players over the years shows that they've consistently broken transfer records, and paid mega-bucks for what were merely squad players:

1998: Jaap Stam £11m (then record for a defender) Dwight Yorke £13m

1999: Fabien Bartez £8m

2001: Van Nistleroy £18m / Juan Veron £28m

2002: Rio Ferdinand £27m

2003: Louis Saha £13m

2004: Wayne Rooney £27m

2006 - Michael Carrick £18m

2007 - Nani £14m / Anderson £15m / Hargreaves £17m

2008 - Berbatov £30m

2009 - Valencia £19m

2010 - Smalling £10m

2011 - Jones £18m / De Gea £19m / Young £17m

 

Don't try to make out that Man U are gallant paupers, valiantly battling the evil moneybags of football. It was only a couple of years ago that their home was known as Gold Trafford because of the money they threw around.


Problem is Saint the money United spent is the money United earned with the exception of Arsenal who else can you say that about? Spurs maybe? Liverpool before this seasons utter disaster? United never bought the title they earned it.

I'm lost.


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