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#1 Posted : 01 July 2012 11:54:03(UTC)
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Usual rules.

Off topic posts, bickering, trolling, all of which have been prevalent in the last couple of pages of the last thread, will lead to deleted posts and 7 day bans.
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#2 Posted : 01 July 2012 12:17:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
7 day bans.

Having seen the BBC 'weather for the week ahead', I think the next 7 days should be banned.

A glimmer of hope from NOGAPS maybe with the troughing getting snuffed out after next weekend  ...

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/nogaps/runs/2012070106/nogaps-0-144.png?01-12

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#3 Posted : 01 July 2012 12:26:16(UTC)
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Its arguably been the worst ever start to summer in recorded history! No end in sight either Manchester looks especially poor.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Manchester_ens.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Aberdeen_ens.png

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#4 Posted : 01 July 2012 12:31:51(UTC)
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To be honest it is not just the GFS and its ensembles which are disappointing. The ECM 00z ensemble data has the trough close to the UK throughout, for example:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem721.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1441.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
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#5 Posted : 01 July 2012 12:48:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
To be honest it is not just the GFS and its ensembles which are disappointing. The ECM 00z ensemble data has the trough close to the UK throughout, for example:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem721.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1441.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif

Shocker

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#6 Posted : 01 July 2012 12:55:37(UTC)
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BOM has quite a bit of high pressure building in the latter stages of its run. And would be quite dry by then.

http://images.meteociel..../1561/bom-0-210_whl5.png

However, the upper temperatures would be rather cool.

http://images.meteociel..../6371/bom-1-240_fyt9.png
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#7 Posted : 01 July 2012 13:28:52(UTC)
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The weather was allegedly going to be dry with sunny spells today but so far it's been mainly cloudy with frequent showers. Has the temporary ridge been squeezed out?

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#8 Posted : 01 July 2012 14:00:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
To be honest it is not just the GFS and its ensembles which are disappointing. The ECM 00z ensemble data has the trough close to the UK throughout, for example:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem721.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1441.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif



Funnily enough, as bad as this past week was projected to be, it's actually been thoroughly decent here, although clearly that hasn't been the case everywhere. Very warm at times with showers admittedly, but rather typical summer fair. Hopefully we'll see a countrywide change soon.
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#9 Posted : 01 July 2012 14:42:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
To be honest it is not just the GFS and its ensembles which are disappointing. The ECM 00z ensemble data has the trough close to the UK throughout, for example:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem721.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1441.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif



Funnily enough, as bad as this past week was projected to be, it's actually been thoroughly decent here, although clearly that hasn't been the case everywhere. Very warm at times with showers admittedly, but rather typical summer fair. Hopefully we'll see a countrywide change soon.



That's right Matty. I spent the weekend in Cheltenham and was astounded to find prolonged sunny periods for much of yesterday and was actually sunbathing at times in a sheltered garden. It has to be said that there is often a negative spin on here - with some members keen to see the worst in unsettled regimes, when conditions on the ground can be very pleasant (isolated showers).

One shower does not a bad day make and some members would be wise to note that the last three weekends in a row have offered useable weather in points south before writing off another period of summer based on what are fairly typically English sypnotics.

But yes, hope to see a shift to a UK high at some point, although then it will all be about predicting a breakdown.
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#10 Posted : 01 July 2012 14:50:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Downpour Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
To be honest it is not just the GFS and its ensembles which are disappointing. The ECM 00z ensemble data has the trough close to the UK throughout, for example:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem721.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1441.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif



Funnily enough, as bad as this past week was projected to be, it's actually been thoroughly decent here, although clearly that hasn't been the case everywhere. Very warm at times with showers admittedly, but rather typical summer fair. Hopefully we'll see a countrywide change soon.



That's right Matty. I spent the weekend in Cheltenham and was astounded to find prolonged sunny periods for much of yesterday and was actually sunbathing at times in a sheltered garden. It has to be said that there is often a negative spin on here - with some members keen to see the worst in unsettled regimes, when conditions on the ground can be very pleasant (isolated showers).

One shower does not a bad day make and some members would be wise to note that the last three weekends in a row have offered useable weather in points south before writing off another period of summer based on what are fairly typically English sypnotics.

But yes, hope to see a shift to a UK high at some point, although then it will all be about predicting a breakdown.


Just for clarification. What DO you make of those ECM 00z ensembles?

As for June, the statistics speak for themselves.
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#11 Posted : 01 July 2012 14:59:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Downpour Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
To be honest it is not just the GFS and its ensembles which are disappointing. The ECM 00z ensemble data has the trough close to the UK throughout, for example:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem721.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1441.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif



Funnily enough, as bad as this past week was projected to be, it's actually been thoroughly decent here, although clearly that hasn't been the case everywhere. Very warm at times with showers admittedly, but rather typical summer fair. Hopefully we'll see a countrywide change soon.



That's right Matty. I spent the weekend in Cheltenham and was astounded to find prolonged sunny periods for much of yesterday and was actually sunbathing at times in a sheltered garden. It has to be said that there is often a negative spin on here - with some members keen to see the worst in unsettled regimes, when conditions on the ground can be very pleasant (isolated showers).

One shower does not a bad day make and some members would be wise to note that the last three weekends in a row have offered useable weather in points south before writing off another period of summer based on what are fairly typically English sypnotics.

But yes, hope to see a shift to a UK high at some point, although then it will all be about predicting a breakdown.



Just to clarify, I'm not saying everywhere has only been blighted by the odd shower. Yesterday saw torrential shower after torrential shower in Bristol, but it was pleasantly warm in the sun inbetween. Many, if not most other places have had a horrific June.
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#12 Posted : 01 July 2012 15:27:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Downpour Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
To be honest it is not just the GFS and its ensembles which are disappointing. The ECM 00z ensemble data has the trough close to the UK throughout, for example:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem721.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1441.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
Funnily enough, as bad as this past week was projected to be, it's actually been thoroughly decent here, although clearly that hasn't been the case everywhere. Very warm at times with showers admittedly, but rather typical summer fair. Hopefully we'll see a countrywide change soon.
That's right Matty. I spent the weekend in Cheltenham and was astounded to find prolonged sunny periods for much of yesterday and was actually sunbathing at times in a sheltered garden. It has to be said that there is often a negative spin on here - with some members keen to see the worst in unsettled regimes, when conditions on the ground can be very pleasant (isolated showers). One shower does not a bad day make and some members would be wise to note that the last three weekends in a row have offered useable weather in points south before writing off another period of summer based on what are fairly typically English sypnotics. But yes, hope to see a shift to a UK high at some point, although then it will all be about predicting a breakdown.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying everywhere has only been blighted by the odd shower. Yesterday saw torrential shower after torrential shower in Bristol, but it was pleasantly warm in the sun inbetween. Many, if not most other places have had a horrific June.

 

Yesterday was not bad at all - a couple of showers in the morning (including about a minute of hail) but most of the day was fine with sunny spells and patchy cloud.

The forecast had today being the best day of the weekend but it's been the other way round!

 

Nick, Whitchurch, Hampshire

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#13 Posted : 01 July 2012 16:04:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Downpour Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
To be honest it is not just the GFS and its ensembles which are disappointing. The ECM 00z ensemble data has the trough close to the UK throughout, for example:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem721.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1441.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif



Funnily enough, as bad as this past week was projected to be, it's actually been thoroughly decent here, although clearly that hasn't been the case everywhere. Very warm at times with showers admittedly, but rather typical summer fair. Hopefully we'll see a countrywide change soon.



That's right Matty. I spent the weekend in Cheltenham and was astounded to find prolonged sunny periods for much of yesterday and was actually sunbathing at times in a sheltered garden. It has to be said that there is often a negative spin on here - with some members keen to see the worst in unsettled regimes, when conditions on the ground can be very pleasant (isolated showers).

One shower does not a bad day make and some members would be wise to note that the last three weekends in a row have offered useable weather in points south before writing off another period of summer based on what are fairly typically English sypnotics.

But yes, hope to see a shift to a UK high at some point, although then it will all be about predicting a breakdown.


Just for clarification. What DO you make of those ECM 00z ensembles?

As for June, the statistics speak for themselves.



As has been said endlessly now the first half of June was poor IN THE SOUTH. The second half has contained many nice useable days, a marked improvement IN THE SOUTH on any measure. As for the outlook, if it's anything like the outlook for the last three weekends, it won't be anything like as bad as progged on here IN THE SOUTH. I am aware the actual conditions have been unrelentingly grim in NE Scotland, but have to admit I am less interested in that from a personal POV as I never visit that area.
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#14 Posted : 01 July 2012 16:15:26(UTC)
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And the ECM ensemble data? (which was the main point of my post. I can read weather reports for the far south in the current conditions thread)

As for you being disinterested in anything away from your own back yard, I've noticed, but I am talking generally and I am also talking about the current output not the last couple of weeks in your neck of the woods which IS what this thread is about - the model output.

I never once mentioned NE Scotland. You did. The conditions across vast swathes of the UK have been very poor and indeed record breakingly so in England and Wales as a whole. That suggests that even an improvement was not enough to offset the very poor conditions. Who's talking about NE Scotland? When I am referring to my own back yard I have and will continue to make that explicit.

The 12z GFS op run so far continues the unsettled theme and indeed looks like it could be very convective at times with very heavy showers around once again.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12011.png
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#15 Posted : 01 July 2012 16:46:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post


The 12z GFS op run so far continues the unsettled theme and indeed looks like it could be very convective at times with very heavy showers around once again.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12011.png

Jetstream ends the run... still too far to the south. 

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/4323/gfs-5-360_vpt9.png

Still, always the next run!

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#16 Posted : 01 July 2012 16:48:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
And the ECM ensemble data? (which was the main point of my post. I can read weather reports for the far south in the current conditions thread)

As for you being disinterested in anything away from your own back yard, I've noticed, but I am talking generally and I am also talking about the current output not the last couple of weeks in your neck of the woods which IS what this thread is about - the model output.

I never once mentioned NE Scotland. You did. The conditions across vast swathes of the UK have been very poor and indeed record breakingly so in England and Wales as a whole. That suggests that even an improvement was not enough to offset the very poor conditions. Who's talking about NE Scotland? When I am referring to my own back yard I have and will continue to make that explicit.

The 12z GFS op run so far continues the unsettled theme and indeed looks like it could be very convective at times with very heavy showers around once again.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12011.png



I didn't say you had mentioned it, and indeed my OP wasn't even aimed at you! It was simply making the point that weekend after weekend we'd have stayed in and wielded the razor blades if we'd listened to some of the ramping on here. There are persistent rampers who shall remain nameless and it's becoming a necessary skill to separate the wisdom from the noise. No-one is doubting there's been some dreadful conditions, however there has also been some average ones (and above average at times) on offer in the south.. I'd expect that to largely continue in the South overall - where, save the first fortnight of June, conditions have been largely average at times.

I do expect some useful rain this week down here however. The difference is I won't be writing off summer like certain members (not you!) just yet...
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#17 Posted : 01 July 2012 16:49:34(UTC)
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GFS 12Z = Unrelenting troughfest AND the GFS is,i suspect,toying with the idea of building a Greeny high longer term...

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#18 Posted : 01 July 2012 16:51:09(UTC)
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Welcome back again it has been a very long long time posting on here.

I totally spent a lot of my time away from looking at this place which was good for me.

But still as far as the period starting Monday 2nd July 2012 right upto Sunday 8th July 2012 the UK weather is maintaining the bands of organized heavy and at times very heavy rain, and with some shorter sunny spells and intervals with plenty of heavy blustery thundery showers.

And with Sunspot Activity remaining high, and plenty of upcoming activity for period 1 to 3 July, as being moderately active for our Sun - we will deal with Geomagnetic Storms and Aurora Borealis and related weather effects that usually steer the PFJ on more Southerly tracks with NAO Negative!.

Northern Blocking is forecasted during the next 7 days as well.

All this is ok, and I really think the wet weather and the brief sunny breaks will be swapping up both ways, and the temperature will be remaining on the coolder side as well, - a good few degrees below normal.

I watched the news about NW N and NE England and SW Central and E SE Scotland Floods from torrential rain last Wednesday and Thursday and Friday as well.

This Weekend it been nice and also last week been nice and warm and drier in the London area so that was a good break.

I am getting ready for the return of rain again.

To all who like this traditional Normal British weather, I wish you all the best in enjoying it while it lasts.

It may change back to what it was before after this Solar Maximum is over.

They say that in 2013 the solar activity will peak higher than this year.

We were lucky that we were not facing the other sides as far as mentioning fact that the Earth fared better when the Venus and Mars planets were getting the more severer blasts of CME ejections and Solar Flares that headed there, thankfully it was we were lucky to not be at the same side as them, during April and May this year!.

Have fun looking at the GFS and UKMO - I am looking at them every day- and the pattern is one that is keeping to a condition that keeps the UK and Norway at times on the wet and cool side, with brief breaks.

Norway though does at times get the formation of high pressure more frequently than us in the current period we are going through.

So we know that April, May and June 2012 been a record breakingly cool and wet few months with rainfall in many parts of the UK well above normal and certainly look like a top record for Low Pressure and rainfall totals, and also the level of sunshine we have had- not much but a little or more here and there is our traditional weather situation with lots of cool and misty weather.

The warm and humid weather is normal at the end of June though!..

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Lowest Temperature -4.3 deg. C at 0656 20/12/2010
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Lowest Temperature 0.4 deg. C 2005

Highest Barometer 1039.9hPa 2319 21/01/2011
Highest Solar 422 W/m2 1258 22/01/2011
Highest Rainfall 15.2mm 23/01/2011
Lowest Windchill: -6.2 2034 28/01/2011



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#19 Posted : 01 July 2012 16:58:31(UTC)
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Thanks Downpour and as Mr Fog says there is always the next run. I have done the negative above, now for a slight positive spin on it. It is not relentlessly unsettled anywhere (i.e. days of persistent rain) neither does it look anomalously cool. Indeed there is the possibility of more of what parts of south have seen over the last couple of weeks or so, sunshine and showers (nice in the former, wet in the latter :P)

There could be many downpours in places (no pun intended!) but some pleasant sunshine. The 12z UKMO shows a similar generally unstable, somewhat unsettled regime, but not persistently cool (in fact relatively warm in the sunshine) but never anything remotely resembling anticyclonic. There is little sign of high pressure dominating. Perhaps July will be/continue the transition from a decidedly dodgy start to the summer to a glorious August? We can always hope and IMO there is no reason to rule it out (or indeed in at this stage).
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#20 Posted : 01 July 2012 17:00:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Downpour Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: doctormog Go to Quoted Post
To be honest it is not just the GFS and its ensembles which are disappointing. The ECM 00z ensemble data has the trough close to the UK throughout, for example:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem721.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1441.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
Funnily enough, as bad as this past week was projected to be, it's actually been thoroughly decent here, although clearly that hasn't been the case everywhere. Very warm at times with showers admittedly, but rather typical summer fair. Hopefully we'll see a countrywide change soon.
That's right Matty. I spent the weekend in Cheltenham and was astounded to find prolonged sunny periods for much of yesterday and was actually sunbathing at times in a sheltered garden. It has to be said that there is often a negative spin on here - with some members keen to see the worst in unsettled regimes, when conditions on the ground can be very pleasant (isolated showers). One shower does not a bad day make and some members would be wise to note that the last three weekends in a row have offered useable weather in points south before writing off another period of summer based on what are fairly typically English sypnotics. But yes, hope to see a shift to a UK high at some point, although then it will all be about predicting a breakdown.

Typical English synoptics? Hmmm...do I feed the troll?

Nah, best not. Let others judge whether this first summer month has been typical.

The lack of an appearance of the Azores High ridge would indicate that it's been a wee bit different to normal.

The stats in the CET thread say it all.

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