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#121 Posted : 20 May 2012 08:30:15(UTC)
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I feel sorry for Tottenham - and would much rather they were in the Champions League than a team composed of a Russian billionaire's toyboys - but they really should have clocked up some convincing wins towards the end of the season instead of a series of lacklustre draws. Then their fate would have been in their own hands, and they wouldn't have had to depend on West Brom letting in that third Arsenal goal or Bayern missing a couple of penalties.

Is the correct answer.



Aaahh!!  The Post-mortem .... should haves, would haves.... This is about the Champions League. You have to earn your place to be in it, and then you have to win it! And next year, as well as Chelsea, you'll have the City toyboys too. So for the rest of us, revert to line one - You have to earn your place to be in it! Suggest you change your avatar soon!!

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#122 Posted : 20 May 2012 08:36:55(UTC)
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Indeed, the result is based upon putting the ball over the goal line. Presumably, the more balls you put over the goaline over a whole season to get results the more points you get. Which of course gains you qualification for the premier competiton if you finish sufficiently high enough. Oh wait, that can't be right can it?

As for the mindless Europa League, at least it will be a good opportunity to try our youngsters out. And we have some good ones. Hopefully, it will be under a new manager.

Well I'm sure you would like to re-write the qualification rules because Spurs has been denied entry. I understand that - but as UEFA recognised after Liverpool won, it's daft not to have the winners having the chance to defend their title. Why the illogical rejection of Redknapp? It amuses me how short supporters' memories are! Do the players not bear most of the responsibility for the dreadful loss of form in the second half of the season?

Given the horrendous injuries Arsenal received over the season Spurs should have finished above them. Redknapp can't hide from that fact.

I can't be bothered listing his tactical blunders, it would take too long.

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#123 Posted : 20 May 2012 08:39:44(UTC)
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Managers will occasionally make mistakes SEMerc. Look at Heynckes last night subbing Muller for Van Buyen who hasn't played since January. Fergie's poor team selection vs Man City, another example, and it cost them the title, but you won't see Man Utd fans calling for his head.
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#124 Posted : 20 May 2012 08:44:11(UTC)
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Managers will occasionally make mistakes SEMerc. Look at Heynckes last night subbing Muller for Van Buyen who hasn't played since January. Fergie's poor team selection vs Man City, another example, and it cost them the title, but you won't see Man Utd fans calling for his head.

Indeed you won't. Ferguson rotates his squad for starters.

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#125 Posted : 20 May 2012 08:45:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Indeed, the result is based upon putting the ball over the goal line. Presumably, the more balls you put over the goaline over a whole season to get results the more points you get. Which of course gains you qualification for the premier competiton if you finish sufficiently high enough. Oh wait, that can't be right can it?

As for the mindless Europa League, at least it will be a good opportunity to try our youngsters out. And we have some good ones. Hopefully, it will be under a new manager.

Well I'm sure you would like to re-write the qualification rules because Spurs has been denied entry. I understand that - but as UEFA recognised after Liverpool won, it's daft not to have the winners having the chance to defend their title.

If UEFA had simply left the CL in its original format of being for league winners only plus the team defending the trophy from the previous season, we wouldn't be having the debate of whether Chelsea or Spurs should be allowed in next season, as neither of then were PL champions in season 2010-11 or the season just ended and wouldn't have been in the competition next season under the old format. Although I watched the final in its entirety last night, I watched very little of the CL throughout the season as I don't regard it very highly to be quite honest. It's much more about money these days than the football itself IMO.

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#126 Posted : 20 May 2012 08:57:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David M Porter Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Indeed, the result is based upon putting the ball over the goal line. Presumably, the more balls you put over the goaline over a whole season to get results the more points you get. Which of course gains you qualification for the premier competiton if you finish sufficiently high enough. Oh wait, that can't be right can it?

As for the mindless Europa League, at least it will be a good opportunity to try our youngsters out. And we have some good ones. Hopefully, it will be under a new manager.

Well I'm sure you would like to re-write the qualification rules because Spurs has been denied entry. I understand that - but as UEFA recognised after Liverpool won, it's daft not to have the winners having the chance to defend their title.

If UEFA had simply left the CL in its original format of being for league winners only plus the team defending the trophy from the previous season, we wouldn't be having the debate of whether Chelsea or Spurs should be allowed in next season, as neither of then were PL champions in season 2010-11 or the season just ended and wouldn't have been in the competition next season under the old format. Although I watched the final in its entirety last night, I watched very little of the CL throughout the season as I don't regard it very highly to be quite honest. It's much more about money these days than the football itself IMO.

the status of the champions league and the financial gain from participating in it go hand in hand.

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#127 Posted : 20 May 2012 08:59:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David M Porter Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Indeed, the result is based upon putting the ball over the goal line. Presumably, the more balls you put over the goaline over a whole season to get results the more points you get. Which of course gains you qualification for the premier competiton if you finish sufficiently high enough. Oh wait, that can't be right can it?

As for the mindless Europa League, at least it will be a good opportunity to try our youngsters out. And we have some good ones. Hopefully, it will be under a new manager.

Well I'm sure you would like to re-write the qualification rules because Spurs has been denied entry. I understand that - but as UEFA recognised after Liverpool won, it's daft not to have the winners having the chance to defend their title.

If UEFA had simply left the CL in its original format of being for league winners only plus the team defending the trophy from the previous season, we wouldn't be having the debate of whether Chelsea or Spurs should be allowed in next season, as neither of then were PL champions in season 2010-11 and wouldn't have been in the competition this season under the old format. Although I watched the final in its entirety last night, I watched very little of the CL throughout the season as I don't regard it very highly to be quite honest. It's much more about money these days than the football itself IMO.

That may well be the case. Players also want to win trophies, which means Spurs will now find themselves in the same position as Liverpool i.e. finding it difficult to attract certain types of players necessary to improve the squad.

We are heading into 'interesting' territory. You can predict the top four for next season with even more certainty. Then you'll have the also rans (Liverpool and Spurs) slugging it out for the privalege of being on C5 every Thursday, then the rest with presumably Everton/Newcastle in the mix.

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#128 Posted : 20 May 2012 09:28:25(UTC)
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Well done Chelsea.

 

But you'll have to go a long way to find a more sickening image than the one we had of John Terry with the European Cup in his hands with Osborne grinning away in the background. 

Horrible.

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#129 Posted : 20 May 2012 09:44:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Indeed, the result is based upon putting the ball over the goal line. Presumably, the more balls you put over the goaline over a whole season to get results the more points you get. Which of course gains you qualification for the premier competiton if you finish sufficiently high enough. Oh wait, that can't be right can it?

As for the mindless Europa League, at least it will be a good opportunity to try our youngsters out. And we have some good ones. Hopefully, it will be under a new manager.

Well I'm sure you would like to re-write the qualification rules because Spurs has been denied entry. I understand that - but as UEFA recognised after Liverpool won, it's daft not to have the winners having the chance to defend their title. Why the illogical rejection of Redknapp? It amuses me how short supporters' memories are! Do the players not bear most of the responsibility for the dreadful loss of form in the second half of the season?

Agree, the mans Job is to get Champions League football, he did that this season and had ti taken away from him.

The England Job rumour might of played some part but like you say there players have to shoulder some blame, they could fo rolled there sleeves and got on with it, bit like Chelsea have done after getting rid of AVB.

 

Redknapp has transformed them, they were a very basic team when he took charge and he turned them into a top 4 side. And on the last day at one stage they were sitting in 3rd, very unfortunate imo.

P.S SEMerc I can make you a NEW Avatar if you wish? ....

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#130 Posted : 20 May 2012 09:52:54(UTC)
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Before last night there was one thing that made me think if we did lose then going into Europa Cup might not of been a bad think with our ageing squad. We could of used it for the reserves and youth and keep the old guard for the Prem only.

I think Spurs should do the same now, IF they do keep Modric and Bale I think Spurs will be top 4 next season. Might need to try and keep Adebayor though.

I think we will struggle for top 4 now because we will go all out for Champions League again, Arsenal if they lose RVP might struggle if Poldolski takes time to settle.

City - we all know they'll be there

United - I can never work United out, when i think they might struggle they always seem to pull it out the bag.

Newcastle - Depends on the front two I guess, with good strikers you'll always have a chance.

Liverpool - Under a New Manager you never know.

 

All in all next season will be another big battle for top4, very exciting for footballs fans imo.

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#131 Posted : 20 May 2012 09:59:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jonesy Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Indeed, the result is based upon putting the ball over the goal line. Presumably, the more balls you put over the goaline over a whole season to get results the more points you get. Which of course gains you qualification for the premier competiton if you finish sufficiently high enough. Oh wait, that can't be right can it?

As for the mindless Europa League, at least it will be a good opportunity to try our youngsters out. And we have some good ones. Hopefully, it will be under a new manager.

Well I'm sure you would like to re-write the qualification rules because Spurs has been denied entry. I understand that - but as UEFA recognised after Liverpool won, it's daft not to have the winners having the chance to defend their title. Why the illogical rejection of Redknapp? It amuses me how short supporters' memories are! Do the players not bear most of the responsibility for the dreadful loss of form in the second half of the season?

Agree, the mans Job is to get Champions League football, he did that this season and had ti taken away from him.

The England Job rumour might of played some part but like you say there players have to shoulder some blame, they could fo rolled there sleeves and got on with it, bit like Chelsea have done after getting rid of AVB.

 

Redknapp has transformed them, they were a very basic team when he took charge and he turned them into a top 4 side. And on the last day at one stage they were sitting in 3rd, very unfortunate imo.

P.S SEMerc I can make you a NEW Avatar if you wish? ....

Why is it unfortunate??? grrrrrrrrrrrr every team has 38 games and each team can list games where the had bad luck, that is football but if you dont get enough points on the board you wont get your deserves I'm afraid.

Im not a subscriber to the fact 'arry or the players were put off by the chat about the England job. Form is a temporary thing and class is permanant. Spurs were always going to have a poor run, it just coincided with Arsenal having an excellent run and the teams swapped places

 

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#132 Posted : 20 May 2012 10:07:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gooner Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Jonesy Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Indeed, the result is based upon putting the ball over the goal line. Presumably, the more balls you put over the goaline over a whole season to get results the more points you get. Which of course gains you qualification for the premier competiton if you finish sufficiently high enough. Oh wait, that can't be right can it?

As for the mindless Europa League, at least it will be a good opportunity to try our youngsters out. And we have some good ones. Hopefully, it will be under a new manager.

Well I'm sure you would like to re-write the qualification rules because Spurs has been denied entry. I understand that - but as UEFA recognised after Liverpool won, it's daft not to have the winners having the chance to defend their title. Why the illogical rejection of Redknapp? It amuses me how short supporters' memories are! Do the players not bear most of the responsibility for the dreadful loss of form in the second half of the season?

Agree, the mans Job is to get Champions League football, he did that this season and had ti taken away from him.

The England Job rumour might of played some part but like you say there players have to shoulder some blame, they could fo rolled there sleeves and got on with it, bit like Chelsea have done after getting rid of AVB.

 

Redknapp has transformed them, they were a very basic team when he took charge and he turned them into a top 4 side. And on the last day at one stage they were sitting in 3rd, very unfortunate imo.

P.S SEMerc I can make you a NEW Avatar if you wish? ....

Why is it unfortunate??? grrrrrrrrrrrr every team has 38 games and each team can list games where the had bad luck, that is football but if you dont get enough points on the board you wont get your deserves I'm afraid.

Im not a subscriber to the fact 'arry or the players were put off by the chat about the England job. Form is a temporary thing and class is permanant. Spurs were always going to have a poor run, it just coincided with Arsenal having an excellent run and the teams swapped places

 

...erm unforuntate because most other seasons finishing 4th would be enough to get Champions League football.

Look I hate Spuds just as much as you Gooner LOL but you have to say it is an unfortunate way of missing out BUT after having a few weeks of build up, seeing Bayern Avatars, hearing that the fools were all dressing up in German Outfits, buying German Beers I have an even bigger smile on my face this morning ...Nothing can be taken away, we have finally done it.

 

Now I know how United and Liverpool Fans felt in recent years have felt ...for us it's a lead weight taken off the back Now.

Nice to see that England is now just One Win behind Spain for the Most ever Champs Leagues Winners.

 

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#133 Posted : 20 May 2012 11:55:04(UTC)
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Chuffed For Chelsea....They did the job....

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#134 Posted : 20 May 2012 12:32:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jonesy Go to Quoted Post

Agree, the mans Job is to get Champions League football, he did that this season and had ti taken away from him.



Have to disagree with that one: Top four in years gone by has usually ensured Champions League football. But you now have to cater for the possibility that an English team are as likely as anybody else to take the European title. Liverpool and United in the modern era have done just that, now Chelsea and City will be in the mix with United and Arsenal next year. Any of them could go on to win it. And so it is simple - it is now top three that you have to aim for to guarantee your place. And so for Spurs, nothing was taken away, for it wasn't there to begin with! It was only when Chelsea progressed through to the latter stages that fans started to sit up and take note of the rules that have been in place since Liverpool's plight forced the change.

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#135 Posted : 20 May 2012 13:22:39(UTC)
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Mix of emotions for me.

Couldn't help but get caught up in the game, whatever anyone says about penalties they are drama personified. Congratulations to Chelsea, though it is through gritted teeth.

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#136 Posted : 20 May 2012 13:43:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Larachmor Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Jonesy Go to Quoted Post

Agree, the mans Job is to get Champions League football, he did that this season and had ti taken away from him.



Have to disagree with that one: Top four in years gone by has usually ensured Champions League football. But you now have to cater for the possibility that an English team are as likely as anybody else to take the European title. Liverpool and United in the modern era have done just that, now Chelsea and City will be in the mix with United and Arsenal next year. Any of them could go on to win it. And so it is simple - it is now top three that you have to aim for to guarantee your place. And so for Spurs, nothing was taken away, for it wasn't there to begin with! It was only when Chelsea progressed through to the latter stages that fans started to sit up and take note of the rules that have been in place since Liverpool's plight forced the change.

Yeah suppose, I can't stand Spurs for obvious reasons so I don't really care what goes on with them but I do feel little bit sorry for them over 38 games to miss out is a shame imvho.

I feel sorry for the stick Arry is taking also and I would like to say to Spurs fans becareful what you wish for, Harry changed you and made you into a side, He could leave which it sounds like alot of you won't be upset BUT how will your squad feel? They say the England Job unrested alot of the players so they much think something of him.

Spurs without Harry, Modric & Bale potentially next season would be massive loss. If they can persuade them two to stay and just stick it out with Harry I'm sure Spurs time will come, They finished 4th and got to the FA Cup Semi Final a few years ago Spurs fans would bite your hands off with that, same as Chelsea would of 10years back.

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#137 Posted : 20 May 2012 15:35:10(UTC)
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Nauer a far better goalkeeper than Cech. It will count for diddly sh*t though.

Just spotted this SEMerc.  You have to be joking.

Cech faced six penalties last night, went the right way for all of them, saved 50% and got a hand on another one.  Find me a goalkeeper in that class.

Oh, Cudicini was also the best in the Premier league until Cech was brought it. Good enough for you guys to want to buy him.

Your dislike of Chelsea and its players seems to border on the pathological.  I find it rather sad, to be honest. All that sort of attitude does is encourage reciprocity, as evidenced in here by Jonesy.  I don't condone the choice of language but it what happens when you act/post provocatively and persistently.

 

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#138 Posted : 20 May 2012 15:42:16(UTC)
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Nauer a far better goalkeeper than Cech. It will count for diddly sh*t though.

Just spotted this SEMerc.  You have to be joking.

Cech faced six penalties last night, went the right way for all of them, saved 50% and got a hand on another one.  Find me a goalkeeper in that class.

Oh, Cudicini was also the best in the Premier league until Cech was brought it. Good enough for you guys to want to buy him.

Your dislike of Chelsea and its players seems to border on the pathological.  I find it rather sad, to be honest. All that sort of attitude does is encourage reciprocity, as evidenced in here by Jonesy.  I don't condone the choice of language but it what happens when you act/post provocatively and persistently.

 

Wind your neck back in, Gandalf. Ask any neutral fan with more than a modicum of knowledge of football and I'm willing to bet most would plump for Neuer.

You might have had some basis for a debate a couple of years ago, but Cech has become more inconsistent - still excellent on his day though.

Absolutely nothing to do with Chelsea. I actually said to the missus before Robben took his penalty that he would miss. I knew it was going to be one of those nights.

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#139 Posted : 20 May 2012 16:39:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Nauer a far better goalkeeper than Cech. It will count for diddly sh*t though.

Just spotted this SEMerc.  You have to be joking.

Cech faced six penalties last night, went the right way for all of them, saved 50% and got a hand on another one.  Find me a goalkeeper in that class.

Oh, Cudicini was also the best in the Premier league until Cech was brought it. Good enough for you guys to want to buy him.

Your dislike of Chelsea and its players seems to border on the pathological.  I find it rather sad, to be honest. All that sort of attitude does is encourage reciprocity, as evidenced in here by Jonesy.  I don't condone the choice of language but it what happens when you act/post provocatively and persistently.

 

Wind your neck back in, Gandalf. Ask any neutral fan with more than a modicum of knowledge of football and I'm willing to bet most would plump for Neuer.

You might have had some basis for a debate a couple of years ago, but Cech has become more inconsistent - still excellent on his day though.

Absolutely nothing to do with Chelsea. I actually said to the missus before Robben took his penalty that he would miss. I knew it was going to be one of those nights.

Yes he may have become a little more inconsistent but that doesn't mean he isn't still one of the very best.   Look at the save from Carroll in the FA Cup Final.

For now the proof of the puddling was the performances of the two last night.  

Nauer:

Faced 5 penalties and saved 1. 

Faced 3 shots on goal and saved 2.

3 from 9 - 33%

Cech:

Faced 6 penalties and saved 3. 

Faced 8 shots on target and saved 7.

10 from 14 - 71%

 

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#140 Posted : 21 May 2012 15:02:33(UTC)
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Spurs pair Saha and Pienaar congratulate Chelsea on their European  title, and the Spurs fans go ballistic, labelling them
"a disgrace" ..... How small-minded and petty of their "fans"!!  But as all the excitement dies down, knowing that Chelsea's title is still getting under their skin, must give Jonesy and all the other Chelsea fans a bit  of a boost!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2147424/Louis-Saha-Steven-Pienaar-slammed-Tottenham-fans.html

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