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#181 Posted : 25 January 2012 20:11:28(UTC)
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Back to the stone age 

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#182 Posted : 26 January 2012 13:58:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: four Go to Quoted Post

Back to the stone age 

We're going where we're going.  Where do you think that might be?

We cannot continue as we are indefinitely - there aren't the natural resources to do so.  So what's your answer?

Head in sand, not my problem?

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#183 Posted : 26 January 2012 16:21:08(UTC)
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in 4 words or less 4 (of course! that's why you're 'Four'!!!).

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#184 Posted : 27 January 2012 08:26:44(UTC)
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I'm supposed to say 'You want us to go back to the stone age'
Then you deny it, get annoyed, and make personal insults.
Do try to keep to the plot, you seem to have prempted my line with that picture.

This is interesting. Heretics, burn them! (oops, more CO2)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html 

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#185 Posted : 27 January 2012 23:02:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf Go to Quoted Post

We have stifled development.

Silly games if you like Gray.

Edited by user 27 January 2012 23:09:51(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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#186 Posted : 27 January 2012 23:45:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AIMSIR Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf Go to Quoted Post

We have stifled development.

Silly games if you like Gray.

Curious interpretation Tony

We have not managed our development with sustainability in mind.  Too much of our thinking is a century out of line with the numbers of human beings and our current capabilities of exploiting the natural world.

It never fails to amaze me that some people are unable to think outside the box.  Human beings cannot continue on the current path forever, it's just not possible.

I think the silly games are being played by those who won't face up to the challenges.

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#187 Posted : 27 January 2012 23:50:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: four Go to Quoted Post

I'm supposed to say 'You want us to go back to the stone age'
Then you deny it, get annoyed, and make personal insults.
Do try to keep to the plot, you seem to have prempted my line with that picture.

This is interesting. Heretics, burn them! (oops, more CO2)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html 

Your pavlovian response to a light hearted cartoon speaks volumes.

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#188 Posted : 27 January 2012 23:54:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: AIMSIR Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf Go to Quoted Post

We have stifled development.

Silly games if you like Gray.

Curious interpretation Tony

We have not managed our development with sustainability in mind.  Too much of our thinking is a century out of line with the numbers of human beings and our current capabilities of exploiting the natural world.

It never fails to amaze me that some people are unable to think outside the box.  Human beings cannot continue on the current path forever, it's just not possible.

I think the silly games are being played by those who won't face up to the challenges.

Gandalf.

We all know what silly games are.

A curious silly graphic prompting for curious silly responces.

I think Four in this case managed to spot the ruse and responded in kind,(much like you profess to do yourself at times).

We could all do with less of this emotional, agenda based rubbish.imo.

And get on with what we do best as a species.

Survive and find ways to survive and move forward with hope and determination.

Not like the silly depressing Cartoon we are discussing.

Most people are coming to know the situation when it comes to resourses and are getting smart to it.

Great strides are being made to overcome our resource situation.

Let's not drop the shoulders and spread hopelessness and scorn upon ourselves.

 

 

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#189 Posted : 28 January 2012 09:57:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AIMSIR Go to Quoted Post

Great strides are being made to overcome our resource situation.

Oh, if only it were true.

"It would be some consolation for the feebleness of our selves and our works if all things should perish as slowly as they come into being; but as it is, increases are of sluggish growth, but the way to ruin is rapid."
Lucius Anneaus Seneca, Letters to Lucilius, n. 91
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#190 Posted : 28 January 2012 10:14:20(UTC)
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Just thought I would point out the irony of GW posting that caption, whilst using modern technology. 
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#191 Posted : 28 January 2012 12:13:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles Go to Quoted Post

Just thought I would point out the irony of GW posting that caption, whilst using modern technology. 

Happy New Year SC, long time no post....

Take things for granted at your peril.

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#192 Posted : 28 January 2012 12:16:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ulric Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: AIMSIR Go to Quoted Post

Great strides are being made to overcome our resource situation.

Oh, if only it were true.

Exactly. 

There's an awful lot of wishful thinking around.

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#193 Posted : 28 January 2012 13:22:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles Go to Quoted Post

Just thought I would point out the irony of GW posting that caption, whilst using modern technology. 

Happy New Year SC, long time no post....

Take things for granted at your peril.


Happy New Year Gandalf, I tend not to post too much in here these days, the merry go round makes a little dizzy nowadays.
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#194 Posted : 28 January 2012 15:08:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Ulric Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: AIMSIR Go to Quoted Post

Great strides are being made to overcome our resource situation.

Oh, if only it were true.

Exactly. 

There's an awful lot of wishful thinking around.

I prefare to call it forward thinking with hope for the future.

Look lads,

How about great steps instead of strides.will that do.
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#195 Posted : 30 January 2012 13:13:18(UTC)
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How's about laying to rest the varience of solar output (and not our orbital forcings!) as a major Climate driver? We seem to have a lot of 'naysayers' trying to convince folk that any reduction in solar output will lead to forcings greater than the forcings mankind has set in motion across the globe. This is a dangerous 'non-truth' yet it appears, to some, that it is the be all and end all of Earth's global climate ?

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#196 Posted : 30 January 2012 14:48:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf Go to Quoted Post

How's about laying to rest the varience of solar output (and not our orbital forcings!) as a major Climate driver? We seem to have a lot of 'naysayers' trying to convince folk that any reduction in solar output will lead to forcings greater than the forcings mankind has set in motion across the globe. This is a dangerous 'non-truth' yet it appears, to some, that it is the be all and end all of Earth's global climate ?

There are correlations between certain types of solar output and high latitude blocking in winter. The effect of this blocking on regional temperatures can be significantly greater than any global warming effect, and the last 2 winters have illustrated this. Very mild temperatures in Greenland coinciding with a frigid Britain in December 2010 for example.

On a global scale, however, some studies have indicated that the dampening effect on global warming will be small. 
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#197 Posted : 31 January 2012 08:06:17(UTC)
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I have to agree that low solar (and Arctic Amplification?)  leads to the type of Atlantic blocking we saw the last 2 winters but , as you also point out, this allows for warmer temps in other areas 'balancing out' the cold plunges. If the background is for warmer temps year on year then the winter does not impact this.

Due to the areas where we saw the warmth go I'd even say that this was not a good impact during warming as the areas recieving warmth are the ones we need to stay cold?

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#198 Posted : 02 February 2012 18:19:28(UTC)
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#199 Posted : 02 February 2012 18:27:34(UTC)
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http://woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:2000/to:2012/trend:1.0/plot/gistemp/from:2000/to:2012

 

I wonder why it makes such a big difference when you start the data. Big El-Nino, time period just too short.
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#200 Posted : 02 February 2012 18:29:18(UTC)
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Or, not wishing to pick cherries

http://woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1995/to:2012/trend:1.0/plot/gistemp/from:1995/to:2012

So there is a warming from 2000 to 2012 and from 1995 to 2012. There was a spike in 1998 due to the exceptional strong El-Nino.

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