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#1 Posted : 03 June 2011 14:39:33(UTC)
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Yeah, it's that time of year again. We get to watch Murray progress to the latter stages of every Slam and then choke. Today sees him 2 sets to nil down in the semi final of the French Open to Rafa Nadal. Great stuff ThumpUp
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#2 Posted : 03 June 2011 14:56:07(UTC)
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He's not choking, he's just not good enough. Too many lapses in concentration. You always feel that at some point in every set, he will lose his serve - and against players like Nadal, you just can't do that and expect to win.
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#3 Posted : 03 June 2011 15:37:49(UTC)
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His game is good enough. His temperament is not. FAIL!
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#4 Posted : 03 June 2011 16:14:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
His game is good enough. His temperament is not. FAIL!

I have always thought that with Murray it is a case of when he keeps his temper in check, he plays really well. But, whenever things go against him and he starts to lose his cool, his game more often than not suffers. McEnroe back in his day still seemed to be able to play well even during matches when he had his famous rants against the match umpire; maybe he was just better at handling a lot of pressure and expectation.

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#5 Posted : 03 June 2011 16:24:14(UTC)
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A very rare opportunity for me to watch a full match  I thought that Murray played exceptionally well against the acknowledged World No.1 clay court specialist, and someone who's made winning the French Open a bit of a habit. He still has a little bit to learn, there no question, especially in his head (as I and many others have mentioned before) but just a couple of missed oppurtunities and this match would have taken a totally different complextion. Personally I think that Murray has moved up another gear and if only he can stop niggling with his team on court and focus just a little more on what he's doing on court he's going to make the breakthrough from also ran, to winner

Edit: No disgrace for him today

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#6 Posted : 03 June 2011 19:06:05(UTC)
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Who cares how well he played?...he got beat that's the main thing 

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#7 Posted : 03 June 2011 19:08:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tevo Go to Quoted Post

Who cares how well he played?...he got beat that's the main thing 

What an amazing contribution to the discussion............must have taken you ages to think that one up

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#8 Posted : 03 June 2011 19:16:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: llamedos Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: tevo Go to Quoted Post

Who cares how well he played?...he got beat that's the main thing 

What an amazing contribution to the discussion............must have taken you ages to think that one up

 

Nope...Seconds actually

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#9 Posted : 03 June 2011 19:59:01(UTC)
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Two down....er......two to go.

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#10 Posted : 05 June 2011 17:23:37(UTC)
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Todays French Open final has demonstrated how much closer Murray is to to the three above him in the world are. Plenty to be hopeful about if we're looking for a British champion IMHO   

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#11 Posted : 06 June 2011 07:31:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: llamedos Go to Quoted Post

Todays French Open final has demonstrated how much closer Murray is to to the three above him in the world are. Plenty to be hopeful about if we're looking for a British champion IMHO   

I agree, he is closer than ever and the grass will be his best chance this year. In any other era I am sure he would have already won a grand slam, sadly his first few years at the top have come at a time when we have had the two best players of all time.

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#12 Posted : 10 June 2011 20:51:55(UTC)
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Who's this guy then?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/13731106.stm

Through to the semis at Queens, and he's properly British, ie, from England

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#13 Posted : 10 June 2011 21:00:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post

Who's this guy then?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/13731106.stm

Through to the semis at Queens, and he's properly British, ie, from England

Ward's done incredibly well bearing in mind that he got into Queen's on a "wild card". Played as No.1 in the Davis Cup when Murray was unavailable. Chances of beating Tsonga in the semi's, realistically zero, but getting this far will have given his confidence a huge boost and won't have harmed his world ranking either.

Murray obviously has and always had a reasonably good chance of winning this, but Roddick still plays a good game and Tsonga having dismissed a tired looking Nadal will fancy his chances as well! 

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#14 Posted : 11 June 2011 17:33:16(UTC)
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A bit of a masterclass from Murray today as he hammered Roddick 6-3 6-1....as well as I think I've ever seen Murray play

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#15 Posted : 11 June 2011 17:57:30(UTC)
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He always does well at ranking events. He WON Queens two years ago. Will still choke at Wimbledon though.
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#16 Posted : 11 June 2011 21:44:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
He always does well at ranking events. He WON Queens two years ago. Will still choke at Wimbledon though.
You know I'm starting to think it's not choking with Murray, it's more like lacking concentration/not having the killer instinct? Some racket sport players have that failing and I know that from personal experience having spent 7 or 8 years playing badminton to a pretty high level.......trying to make the impossible shot or toying with the opponent is much more exciting than playing the obvious shot. I think Murray has grown up over the last couple of months, something I never managed to do, and wants to get the job done. We saw that in Rome and in Paris where playing on an unfavoured surface he came close to pulling off shock results.

He started a little sluggishly at Queens, but having seen his destruction of Roddick today and having feared Tsonga as a challenger for the title, there's no question in my mind that Murray will win Queens.

Moving onto Wimbledon I think we may well see a very different Murray. His all round game, and in particular his serving and fitness levels are vastly improved, his post match interviews are more bouyant and personally I think he's started to believe in his undoudted talents. He also looks smarter on court which strangely affects people as it's an indication of being more businesslike.

I really can see Murray winning Wimbledon this year and although I wouldn't normally have a bet on tennis, with 6/1 widely available, I'm definately having a punt    

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#17 Posted : 12 June 2011 08:49:21(UTC)
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As I've always said with Murray, it's his temperament. As soon as something starts to go a bit wrong, as it invariably will at some stage in the latter stages of a slam against quality opposition, he throws his toys out the pram, starts effing and blinding at children, and loses the plot. I don't see him ever controlling that. As for Queens, if the radar is anything to go by, the weather is going to ruin today.
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#18 Posted : 12 June 2011 09:27:13(UTC)
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I wonder if there's no play today then they might delay to tomorrow?
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#19 Posted : 12 June 2011 09:30:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NUT Go to Quoted Post
I wonder if there's no play today then they might delay to tomorrow?

They won't really have a choice will they?

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Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: NUT Go to Quoted Post
I wonder if there's no play today then they might delay to tomorrow?

They won't really have a choice will they?

True I just wondering schedule wise as they gotta go on to eastbourne next I think. Just wondering if they will have time to fit it in

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