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Offline Surrey John  
#81 Posted : 20 December 2021 15:00:13(UTC)
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The Baltic has had a pause in icing for about a week, it colder weather has now moved back in.

The SST and ice chart is here

https://www.smhi.se/ocea...t/produkter/sstcolor.pdf

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Offline Surrey John  
#82 Posted : 31 December 2021 21:08:50(UTC)
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The current milder weather in UK doesn’t seem to be affecting northern Baltic, where whole of Finland coast is now ice

https://www.smhi.se/ocea...t/produkter/sstcolor.pdf

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#83 Posted : 31 December 2021 21:30:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Surrey John Go to Quoted Post
The current milder weather in UK doesn’t seem to be affecting northern Baltic, where whole of Finland coast is now ice

https://www.smhi.se/oceanografi/istjanst/produkter/sstcolor.pdf

Scandinavia has had consistently below average temp for at least two months - a classic winte there, obviously

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#84 Posted : 03 January 2022 11:03:38(UTC)
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Well its happened, a little later than I thought but we are out of the top 15 (JAXA) for the first time in god knows how long.

17th as of yesterday.

Have genuinely no idea the last time this happened, we probably have to go back more than 10 years.

 

Edit: Now 18th after a near century gain!!!!

Edited by user 03 January 2022 11:05:09(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

2021/2022 Snow days:

26th November

27th November

28th November

2nd December

6th January

7th January

Total: 6 days with snow/sleet falling.

Offline Quantum  
#85 Posted : 03 January 2022 11:08:06(UTC)
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The thing that is even more nuts is that you have to go back to 2004 to find a year with extent higher than it is now.

I guess, what's our loss is the arctic's gain!

 

 

2021/2022 Snow days:

26th November

27th November

28th November

2nd December

6th January

7th January

Total: 6 days with snow/sleet falling.

Offline polarwind  
#86 Posted : 03 January 2022 11:52:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Quantum Go to Quoted Post

Well its happened, a little later than I thought but we are out of the top 15 (JAXA) for the first time in god knows how long.

17th as of yesterday.

Have genuinely no idea the last time this happened, we probably have to go back more than 10 years.

 

Edit: Now 18th after a near century gain!!!!

Do you have any thoughts as to why this big? increase of ice cover has happened?

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Offline Quantum  
#87 Posted : 03 January 2022 12:59:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: polarwind Go to Quoted Post

Do you have any thoughts as to why this big? increase of ice cover has happened?

I think its because we have had a positive AO but without any 'plume' events or huge storms bringing warm temps/rain. So the arctic has been largelly cold and clear with less snow than would be expected (good for growth). Lower latitudes have been alot warmer than expected, which kept it in the top 15 with a record late hudson freeze up. However eventually hudson was always going to freeze, and that pushed us out.

 

Lower latitude warmth may have the opposite effect though as we go deeper into winter. Not much more room for growth now in the high arctic, so warm temps at lower latitudes could cause a significant stall.

 

Edited by user 03 January 2022 13:00:40(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

2021/2022 Snow days:

26th November

27th November

28th November

2nd December

6th January

7th January

Total: 6 days with snow/sleet falling.

Offline polarwind  
#88 Posted : 04 January 2022 08:52:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Quantum Go to Quoted Post

 

I think its because we have had a positive AO but without any 'plume' events or huge storms bringing warm temps/rain*. So the arctic has been largelly cold and clear with less snow than would be expected (good for growth). Lower latitudes have been alot warmer than expected, which kept it in the top 15 with a record late hudson freeze up. However eventually hudson was always going to freeze, and that pushed us out.

 

Lower latitude warmth may have the opposite effect though as we go deeper into winter. Not much more room for growth now in the high arctic, so warm temps at lower latitudes could cause a significant stall.

 

This ties in of course, with the N. Atlantic storms tracking generally into Europe rather than the Arctic Basin, whereas for several decades now  the route for the majority of storms has been to the north of Norway into The Basin.

There seems to be a connection here with this research -

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2020.00491/full%20%C2%A0    -   which is about what the title says 

Borealization (adaptation (as of plants) to life in more northerly regions) of the Arctic Ocean in Response to Anomalous Advection From Sub-Arctic Seas

This year, it seems the anomalous advection has stopped and allowed ice to form more readily. What do you think?

 

 

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Offline Surrey John  
#89 Posted : 10 January 2022 15:43:44(UTC)
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The Northern part of the Baltic is nearly fully iced over

https://www.smhi.se/ocea...t/produkter/sstcolor.pdf

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Offline Retron  
#90 Posted : 10 January 2022 17:49:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Surrey John Go to Quoted Post
The Northern part of the Baltic is nearly fully iced over

https://www.smhi.se/oceanografi/istjanst/produkter/sstcolor.pdf

Used to be common enough when I started looking at those charts, a couple of decades ago! More recently, not so much... it's good to see that the northern Gulf of Bothnia is approaching normal for once.

https://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/ice-conditions

 

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