tallyho_83
19 February 2021 18:24:51

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 


 


Looks like it but we seem to have regressed straight back to autumn. 

Another absolutely VILE week. After the blessed relief of last week it's back to being couped up feeling fed-up, tired and depressed. 

Relentless wind, rain every day and a continuation of the suicide inducing levels of sunshine. Feels cold and unpleasant due to the nasty wind with the mildness biased towards the night period. Not dropped below 2.8C this week and looking at the possibility of the second time in three years the second half of February fails to record an air frost. Only this time it hasn't even reached 10C yet 

Todays garbage is everything I detest the most. Strong southerly wind combined with lack of sun completely strips the warmth from the house - far more than last weeks proper cold. Worthless amounts of nuisance value rain and temperatures of 5-6C during the day combined with the wind feel wretched and then it keeps on rising past sunset  

27 hours sun after 19 days - utterly horrific. Should be noticing the stronger and higher sun and brighter mornings by now but can't remember the last time I woke to clear skies and still need the lights on during the day. Tuesday the whole of the East coast from Inverness to Fife basked in sunshine while an Aberdeen sized cloud sat over us most of the day. Couldn't make it up.

 


 

Wednesday almost as bad with ugly clouds scudding along the southern horizon and constantly blotting out the sun while places just a mile further north enjoyed unbroken sun. 

Rest of the week disgustingly grey and depressing. I've yet to record a single day with even 6 hours sun this month which is just ridiculous.

 

Even more ridiculous is there hasn't been a single dry day this month. Just two trace days. 17/19 days with measurable precipitation. Already two more than in any of the past six Februaries. Never recorded more than 20 rain days for February in 15 years of records. Dyce record since the 1940s is 23 days which looks on course to be beaten. 

Seasonal precipitation total has now surpassed 2013/14 and is up to 316mm.

This winter has been utterly revolting beyond belief. A toxic mix of the worst possible cold and the worst possible mild 

 



Welcome back to the moan thread Richard! 


I thought Tuesday would have been a sunny afternoon for you!? Sods law about the cloud.


Been a vile few days here - just mild with rain and more rain!


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DPower
19 February 2021 20:08:41

This winter has really turned into a big disappointment. To go from everything pointing to another mild, very mild mush affair from long range models in the Autumn to SSW and prospects of cold, snow and wintry hazards throughout January and February with even the threat of heavy disruptive snow in the east and south. ec46 fully onboard as well with a very cold February. Also a December and January with a negative AO and NAO and yet apart from halve a dozen or so very cold days with a few snow flakes thrown in that was it for winter 20/21.
With so much going for this winter to end up with so little makes me wonder what a waste of time the chase for cold and snow really is in this country now. glosea and ec46 have had a woeful season when even at the beginning of this month the forecast was for cold and snow (hardly a long range forecast). Yet we just know that when the forecast is for mild 99.9% of the time it will be spot on.
As for the SSW apart from the early Feb cold spell there has been very little impact for the UK apart from maybe Scotland. I remember a tweeted northern hemisphere pressure and temperature map showing the likely response to the SSW and the message that for the US they would see cool rather than cold conditions whereas the brunt of the cold the true cold would be over Europe and the UK. Total twaddle of course along with a zillion other tweets of cold and snow to come. I would have been far less disappointed if this was a normal mild to very mild winter like we have come to expect.
Although I am quite certain the early February cold spell would not have occurred without the warming it is becoming obvious that (2018/19 and now this winter) stratospheric warmings do not mean weeks and weeks of winter nirvana far from it.
Disappointed yes you could say that.

Brian Gaze
19 February 2021 20:22:02

This winter must surely go down as the most disappointing outcome in history since Hollies bowled Bradman for 0 in his last test innings. 


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johncs2016
19 February 2021 23:43:39

Yes, it certainly feels as though winter is well and truly over in this part of the world. Today, the temperature at Edinburgh Gogarbank reached the dizzy heights of 12.2°C which makes today, our warmest day of this year so far 


This is showing us that everything is now just going from bad to worse on that front, which makes it hard to believe that we are technically, still in the meteorological winter. What is happening just now makes it hard to believe that it was only around a week ago since the temperature at that same station got all the way down to -12.6°C but now, all of that cold weather and snow which we had recently has already become a very distant memory as a result of what is happening now.


This has been a winter which has delivered more cold weather and snow to here than what we have seen for a long but at the same time, this has been yet another winter which has failed to deliver even a single ice day to this part of the the world, even though Gandalf the White managed to register a few ice days in his own neck of the woods down in Cambridgeshire, which is a lot further south than where I am up here in Scotland.


Furthermore, it doesn't even look now as though the cold weather during this month will be enough to make this a colder than average month in the CET region. For here in Scotland, we might well have had just enough cold weather during that period to be able to cling onto a colder than average month by the skin of our teeth even if the rest of this month is really mild, but this is still a very disappointing note to end this winter on.


We have to remember as well that December was also a milder than average month which means that although a lot of people will talk about this being a cold winter, the reality is that two of the three winter months are going to end up with a milder than average CET and from that, we can then see that overall, it's not actually been such a cold winter after all across the UK in general.


You may well have read on another thread (and possibly on this one as well) a week or so ago, that I was prepared to give this winter 7/10 overall but with the way that all of this is ending up, I'm probably not going to give this winter any more than 6/10 now and as long as this all keeps going from bad to worse from a cold perspective, this winter could even be lucky in the end to escape with a rating of more than 5/10 from me in the end.


 


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tallyho_83
20 February 2021 02:04:20

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


Yes, it certainly feels as though winter is well and truly over in this part of the world. Today, the temperature at Edinburgh Gogarbank reached the dizzy heights of 12.2°C which makes today, our warmest day of this year so far 


This is showing us that everything is now just going from bad to worse on that front, which makes it hard to believe that we are technically, still in the meteorological winter. What is happening just now makes it hard to believe that it was only around a week ago since the temperature at that same station got all the way down to -12.6°C but now, all of that cold weather and snow which we had recently has already become a very distant memory as a result of what is happening now.


This has been a winter which has delivered more cold weather and snow to here than what we have seen for a long but at the same time, this has been yet another winter which has failed to deliver even a single ice day to this part of the the world, even though Gandalf the White managed to register a few ice days in his own neck of the woods down in Cambridgeshire, which is a lot further south than where I am up here in Scotland.


Furthermore, it doesn't even look now as though the cold weather during this month will be enough to make this a colder than average month in the CET region. For here in Scotland, we might well have had just enough cold weather during that period to be able to cling onto a colder than average month by the skin of our teeth even if the rest of this month is really mild, but this is still a very disappointing note to end this winter on.


We have to remember as well that December was also a milder than average month which means that although a lot of people will talk about this being a cold winter, the reality is that two of the three winter months are going to end up with a milder than average CET and from that, we can then see that overall, it's not actually been such a cold winter after all across the UK in general.


You may well have read on another thread (and possibly on this one as well) a week or so ago, that I was prepared to give this winter 7/10 overall but with the way that all of this is ending up, I'm probably not going to give this winter any more than 6/10 now and as long as this all keeps going from bad to worse from a cold perspective, this winter could even be lucky in the end to escape with a rating of more than 5/10 from me in the end.


 



Yes - things were perfect for a colder than average winter only a week ago esp for your neck of the woods but with no cold air on offer for the foreseeable then looks like this winter will lose marks - shame it ends with autumnal gales followed by mild grey mucky gunk!


I wonder if the fact we are in a LA Nina - which could be why we are seeing such a mild end to it?


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KevBrads1
20 February 2021 09:47:47

This winter is resembling that of 1965-66, with the coldest weather concentrated between Christmas and mid February.


 


 


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haggishunter
20 February 2021 12:10:33
Well I'm going to throw in a moan about the correlation between weather and lockdown. As a skier, we've seen 2020 come out as something of a back loaded winter in the Scottish mountains with a spring lockdown. It seems winter 2021 might turnout to be something of a front loaded season with a winter lockdown!

January is typically very stormy, unsettled, with big fluctuations in temperature as deep lows barrel through. January 2021 was notable for accumulating a decent snow coverage* despite lack of stormy conditions. This meant wide all over cover, with excellent surface conditions and almost no days that uplift would have been lost to weather. There's been around a month where there could have been continuous skiing on groomed trails to just 1000ft at Glencoe in the West to the base of the access lift.

So far Glencoe, Glenshee and the Lecht there's been 9 days of lift served snowsports under level 4 lockdown so only available to those resident in the same (or immediately adjacent) council area.

* though not huge, like 2013 or 2014, or even by early spring 2018 or in the West even by April 2020 standards. (with the exception of the Lecht which has received notably the most snow)
richardabdn
20 February 2021 13:33:30

The soul destroying groundhog purgatory continues. Yet another day of grey skies, cold winds, rain and dire temperatures 


Yet again no sign of the changeable climate we used to have. Just day after day of misery.


Today is the 12th day of this rotten month to see less than an hour of sunshine. It's the complete opposite of last February which was the sunniest on record. It managed 144.6 hours. This month looking like it will struggle to even get 100 hours below that with a breathtakingly awful 27.7 hours so far 


If only the rest of the year could be the total opposite of last year. We'd get a spring of foul wet weekdays but beautiful sunny weekends then a brilliant warm, sunny and dry summer followed by cool, wet September, a crisp sunny autumn and a cold frosty December.


Would be great but I dread to think what the reality will be with the ongoing absence of high pressure, westerly and south westerly winds 


Pretty much a given that the running 12-month rain total will be well over 900mm by the end of spring. A long overdue wet one could see the rarely reached annual metre achieved 


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johncs2016
20 February 2021 19:13:11

Thus just keeps on going from bad to worse,


Today's maximum temperature at Edinburgh Gogarbank has reached 12.3°C which means that today has now taken over from yesterday as our warmest day of this year so far.


This is despite the fact that today has been completely sunless with a total of 2.0 mm of rain even being recorded at Edinburgh Gogarbank during the 12 hour period which started at 6am this morning GMT (06:00 UTC).


Clearly, this warmth is purely down to the source of this air mass but as I am sitting indoors with my heating turned down, it is now starting to feel more like one of those warm and humid nights which we tend to get during the summer where we could even do with getting a bit of thunder to clear the air, rather than anything which we would expect to be seeing during a so-called "winter".


As not as though, I'm looking for a return to the depths of winter as we have had plenty of that fairly recently, but I could really do with it cooling down a bit from where we are just now.


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tallyho_83
20 February 2021 19:17:06
As per yesterday the rain hasn't stopped - Only a little....but drizzle.

The rain goes on... :/


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tallyho_83
21 February 2021 22:23:28
Another day of light rain - but a drier interlude between 1500 - 1700 BUT light sporadic rain since then and now more persistent rain approaching - so as per yesterday and day before and day before that so as per above....

"The rain goes on..!" ^_^
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22 February 2021 08:46:40

Lovely dry, mild weather in this corner of Britain.  I've been out in the garden for the last two days, including afternoon tea in the sunshine yesterday.  The ground has stopped squelching when I walk over it, and with another week of dry weather (which it looks as though we're going to get) the soil should be dry enough to work easily. Wonderful!


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johncs2016
24 February 2021 06:50:11

Every time that it seems as though this winter can't get any worse than what it has, it always manages to find a way of doing so which is what happened during last night as the minimum overnight temperature at Edinburgh Gogarbank didn't drop to below 10.2°C all night.


Double figures maximum daytime temperatures during the winter are bad enough, but double figures minimum temperatures during the winter are the absolute pits.


I won't forget for a long time, that almost snowless winter of 2019/2020 which seemed to be as bad as it could possibly get but although the temperatures during that winter were in double figures a lot of the time, double figures minimum temperatures didn't actually occur at any time, even then in this part of the world.


The fact that this has happened now shows just how much down the pan, this winter has actually gone now and indeed, I have seen many nights even in the height of our summer, which have been colder than what we have just experienced.


 


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fairweather
24 February 2021 15:52:52

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


This winter must surely go down as the most disappointing outcome in history since Hollies bowled Bradman for 0 in his last test innings. 



Good analogy and a good definition of "gutted" ! Root probably feels about the same today as well!


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fairweather
24 February 2021 15:55:09

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


This winter is resembling that of 1965-66, with the coldest weather concentrated between Christmas and mid February.


 


..... and between Suffolk and Kent and Edinburgh and Glasgow !


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Gavin D
24 February 2021 19:38:32
18.4c in Santon Downham today made it the warmest day of the year so far
Bolty
24 February 2021 20:12:47

A more-than-decent winter for cold and snowy weather from a personal and local perspective. A cold spell with snow in each of the three winter months, snow falling on Christmas Day and just about the coldest temperature since 2012 earlier this month. You really can't moan about that, but then again I am a realist when it comes to the British weather.


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richardabdn
24 February 2021 20:30:14
Can't take any more of this utterly disgusting, soul destroying mild cloudy and windy autumnal muck. Just day after day after day of mind-numbing garbage. An endless train of cloud that just won't properly clear. Even when the sun comes out it just attracts clouds like a magnet  and before long the full cover is back  

 

43 hours sun for this wretched month - exactly half the full month average with 4 days to go. The godawful strong winds make it even more of an endurance test.   

Second half of the month has been an appalling aberration once again. So many dire second halves of February that bear no resemblence to late winter - 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2017, 2019 all utter dross with this year joining 2009 and 2019 in being so bad as to be totally frost-free  

Horribly mild nights but nothing out of the ordinary by day.  Three of the last five nights haven't dropped below 6C but only one day has reached 11C. It's another horror out there at the moment. 8.4C and barely dropping under the cloud and wind. Can't get the W/WSW/SW winds needed for high temperatures and sunshine any more. Just endless boring low diurnal range gunk from the S and SE  

The revolting wind rose for this month has been akin to what so many of the horror summers since 2007 have produced. An inexplicable absence from what should be the prevailing wind directions.

Kinloss has had twice the sunshine we have had this month despite being a climatologically cloudier location. But this is happening all too frequently courtesy of the ever increasing wind from the vile SE quarter which they are sheltered from. 

November 2011 was the most extreme example like this month 


but several others in the past few years: 





This is the first month I can remember when Dyce has recorded more sunshine than my location. The main reason it always records less is that it seems to be excessively sheltered first thing in the morning allowing my location to get a head start. This month's situation is reflective of there being zero days when it is actually clear and sunny first thing. Waking up to grey cloud every single day is just horrific   

The one week of snow has saved this winter from being as bad as 2013/14 but the remaining 12 weeks were phenomenally bad. I don't think I have ever experienced a season of such unrelenting miserable weather before and this is reflected in the rainfall duration being the highest of any season I have recorded in the past 16 years at close to 300 hours. 

Bleak, foul and depressing beyond words. To get the coldest January in 37 years and it still ends up the least snowy month of the winter despite the other two months being substantially milder. That really is a special kind of poison 

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sunny coast
24 February 2021 21:26:37

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 


Can't take any more of this utterly disgusting, soul destroying mild cloudy and windy autumnal muck. Just day after day after day of mind-numbing garbage. An endless train of cloud that just won't properly clear. Even when the sun comes out it just attracts clouds like a magnet  and before long the full cover is back  

 

43 hours sun for this wretched month - exactly half the full month average with 4 days to go. The godawful strong winds make it even more of an endurance test.   

Second half of the month has been an appalling aberration once again. So many dire second halves of February that bear no resemblence to late winter - 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2017, 2019 all utter dross with this year joining 2009 and 2019 in being so bad as to be totally frost-free  

Horribly mild nights but nothing out of the ordinary by day.  Three of the last five nights haven't dropped below 6C but only one day has reached 11C. It's another horror out there at the moment. 8.4C and barely dropping under the cloud and wind. Can't get the W/WSW/SW winds needed for high temperatures and sunshine any more. Just endless boring low diurnal range gunk from the S and SE  

The revolting wind rose for this month has been akin to what so many of the horror summers since 2007 have produced. An inexplicable absence from what should be the prevailing wind directions.

Kinloss has had twice the sunshine we have had this month despite being a climatologically cloudier location. But this is happening all too frequently courtesy of the ever increasing wind from the vile SE quarter which they are sheltered from. 

November 2011 was the most extreme example like this month 


but several others in the past few years: 





This is the first month I can remember when Dyce has recorded more sunshine than my location. The main reason it always records less is that it seems to be excessively sheltered first thing in the morning allowing my location to get a head start. This month's situation is reflective of there being zero days when it is actually clear and sunny first thing. Waking up to grey cloud every single day is just horrific   

The one week of snow has saved this winter from being as bad as 2013/14 but the remaining 12 weeks were phenomenally bad. I don't think I have ever experienced a season of such unrelenting miserable weather before and this is reflected in the rainfall duration being the highest of any season I have recorded in the past 16 years at close to 300 hours. 

Bleak, foul and depressing beyond words. To get the coldest January in 37 years and it still ends up the least snowy month of the winter despite the other two months being substantially milder. That really is a special kind of poison 

All part of our bland an uneventful climate these days . As has been said this month a huge disappointment one week of cold weather which didn't deliver for most and ever since and to the end of month mild and dry.  Just rain again features for the North and west .  The outlook for March  looks very uninteresting too 

KevBrads1
26 February 2021 07:50:36

Manchester Winter Indices


1978-79: 262


2009-10: 197


1981-82: 149


1976-77: 141


1984-85: 140


1995-96: 135


1990-91: 126


2010-11: 119


2020-21: 116 (up to 25th Feb)


2008-09: 105


2012-13: 102


1986-87: 100


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