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Offline DEW  
#1 Posted : 21 May 2020 06:02:10(UTC)
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A sad comment on human nature

Benefit officials have told the BBC they fear that as much as £1.5bn may have been lost in fraudulent claims for Universal Credit in recent weeks.

Huge demand for the benefit has seen some processes relaxed to ensure the majority of claims are paid quickly.

But officials believe that some organised crime groups - as well as individuals - may have taken advantage of the system.

bbc.co.uk/news/business-52745983

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#2 Posted : 21 May 2020 06:30:08(UTC)
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Apparently we've gone for a centralised app database because our testing system is one of the slowest to return results in the developed world. Consequently the risk of fraud and false reporting is increased.

This needs to be flagged up and investigated. Shocking if true.

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#3 Posted : 21 May 2020 06:31:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze Go to Quoted Post
Apparently we've gone for a centralised app database because our testing system is one of the slowest to return results in the developed world. Consequently the risk of fraud and false reporting is increased.

This needs to be flagged up and investigated. Shocking if true.

This is because we are using so many small private labs which have been unable to scale up. The median is four days but the are plenty of reports of test results taking two weeks to come back from private labs.

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#4 Posted : 21 May 2020 06:37:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DEW Go to Quoted Post

A sad comment on human nature

Benefit officials have told the BBC they fear that as much as £1.5bn may have been lost in fraudulent claims for Universal Credit in recent weeks.

Huge demand for the benefit has seen some processes relaxed to ensure the majority of claims are paid quickly.

But officials believe that some organised crime groups - as well as individuals - may have taken advantage of the system.

bbc.co.uk/news/business-52745983

I did think at the time this was announced that it was open to abuse but I don’t see how else they could have done it under the circumstances when some were in immediate need.  It’s sad but true that some will always seek to fraudulently benefit in times when others are vulnerable.  It reminds me of a notice I saw many years ago on a tourist spot wall, ‘Watch your purse!  Even thieves have holidays’. 

I doubt the loss will be recovered, as it would be at further cost to investigate. 

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#5 Posted : 21 May 2020 06:39:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DEW Go to Quoted Post

A sad comment on human nature

Benefit officials have told the BBC they fear that as much as £1.5bn may have been lost in fraudulent claims for Universal Credit in recent weeks.

Huge demand for the benefit has seen some processes relaxed to ensure the majority of claims are paid quickly.

But officials believe that some organised crime groups - as well as individuals - may have taken advantage of the system.

bbc.co.uk/news/business-52745983

It is. So is tax avoidance by non doms who are stuck in the UK for longer than allowed because of lockdown. 

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#6 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:04:50(UTC)
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Also read that BAMEs are not at greater risk of dying from C19 when deprivation is taken into account. That could undermine the Vit D theory?
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Online Heavy Weather 2013  
#7 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:05:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Justin W Go to Quoted Post

 

This is because we are using so many small private labs which have been unable to scale up. The median is four days but the are plenty of reports of test results taking two weeks to come back from private labs.

I assume this means the Express Article was a load of rubbish about London cases then. I was expecting as such. 

Even if we have track and trace the delays to test results in the magnitude we are seeing will really cause issues.

I am guessing if there is a spike in new cases it’s going to be hard to detect?

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#8 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:12:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze Go to Quoted Post
Also read that BAMEs are not at greater risk of dying from C19 when deprivation is taken into account. That could undermine the Vit D theory?

I wondered about that myself. I'd be interested to see the figures if you have a link.

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#9 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:20:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze Go to Quoted Post
Also read that BAMEs are not at greater risk of dying from C19 when deprivation is taken into account. That could undermine the Vit D theory?

This was covered in the Horizon programme and it was shown that even after eliminating deprivation as a factor those in the BAME group were still at twice the normal risk.

As for vitamin D, it is known to play a role in the proper functioning of the immune system. This isn’t Covid-19 related.

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#10 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:23:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post

 

This was covered in the Horizon programme and it was shown that even after eliminating deprivation as a factor those in the BAME group were still at twice the normal risk.

Here's part of the article in The Times:

Covid-19: Being black does not put you at greater risk, researchers say

Black and other ethnic-minority Britons are no more likely to die of Covid-19 than white people after taking into account the effects of other illnesses and deprivation, documents submitted to the government’s scientific advisers show.

The finding, from research covering almost 24,000 patients admitted to hospital, came from a tranche of study papers released yesterday by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, used to inform the government’s decision-making processes. However, the researchers behind the findings cautioned that they were preliminary results, and it was possible they would change when more data came in.

The documents also show that among younger people obesity raises the death rate fourfold, and for those in their fifties it more than doubles it.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-being-black-does-not-put-you-at-greater-risk-researchers-say-vdf05prr6

 

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#11 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:29:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze Go to Quoted Post

 

Here's part of the article in The Times:

Covid-19: Being black does not put you at greater risk, researchers say

Black and other ethnic-minority Britons are no more likely to die of Covid-19 than white people after taking into account the effects of other illnesses and deprivation, documents submitted to the government’s scientific advisers show.

The finding, from research covering almost 24,000 patients admitted to hospital, came from a tranche of study papers released yesterday by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, used to inform the government’s decision-making processes. However, the researchers behind the findings cautioned that they were preliminary results, and it was possible they would change when more data came in.

The documents also show that among younger people obesity raises the death rate fourfold, and for those in their fifties it more than doubles it.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-being-black-does-not-put-you-at-greater-risk-researchers-say-vdf05prr6

 

Thanks; I’ll read it later. Odd that it offers a totally different conclusion to the research referenced in the Horizon programme.

But it still doesn’t mean vitamin D isn’t important for effective functioning of the immune system.

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#12 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:38:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post

 

Thanks; I’ll read it later. Odd that it offers a totally different conclusion to the research referenced in the Horizon programme.

But it still doesn’t mean vitamin D isn’t important for effective functioning of the immune system.

I think that's the point isn't it, taking additional vitamin D almost certainly won't prevent you from catching C-19, the benefit is after you've caught it and survived it, because a fully functioning immune system should in theory help the production of relevant anti-bodies. 

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#13 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:50:53(UTC)
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I think that's the point isn't it, taking additional vitamin D almost certainly won't prevent you from catching C-19, the benefit is after you've caught it and survived it, because a fully functioning immune system should in theory help the production of relevant anti-bodies. 

The Professor from Harvard Medical School whose research I linked a few days ago said there was "compelling evidence" that low levels of vitamin D increased the likelihood of severe illness from Covid 19.

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#14 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:51:16(UTC)
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I think that's the point isn't it, taking additional vitamin D almost certainly won't prevent you from catching C-19, the benefit is after you've caught it and survived it, because a fully functioning immune system should in theory help the production of relevant anti-bodies. 

Of course.  

In the same way, strictly speaking, a vaccine doesn’t stop you catching it either; it just means the immune system is primed to attack the virus as soon as it enters the body.

So, we have a full spectrum from a compromised immune system, where the risk is high(er), through to a healthy immune system, where the body has a good chance of beating the virus, through to an effective vaccine, which provides complete protection (but may possibly require periodic boosters?).

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The Professor from Harvard Medical School whose research I linked a few days ago said there was "compelling evidence" that low levels of vitamin D increased the likelihood of severe illness from Covid 19.

Indeed - and a good little video it was.

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#16 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:57:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze Go to Quoted Post
Also read that BAMEs are not at greater risk of dying from C19 when deprivation is taken into account. That could undermine the Vit D theory?

Let's cut to the chase here, there must be stats on white english dying from this. I was travelling along a packed Southend sea front yesterday where SD had gone out the window and I can tell you most people there weren't white english.

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Thanks; I’ll read it later. Odd that it offers a totally different conclusion to the research referenced in the Horizon programme.

But it still doesn’t mean vitamin D isn’t important for effective functioning of the immune system.

It suits the Govt's agenda for getting us all back to work and no need to shield BAME who are vital to the transport and healthcare sector

I think SAGE has been infected with Cummingsitis. 

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#18 Posted : 21 May 2020 08:04:18(UTC)
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Let's cut to the chase here, there must be stats on white english dying from this. I was travelling along a packed Southend sea front yesterday where SD had gone out the window and I can tell you most people there weren't white english.

It maybe true that minority groups are less likely for cultural reasons to stick to social distancing rules. Grandparents especially, who are respected in the family unit, would want to hug their grandchildren regardless of the official rules

But round here, the white chavs in the estates are also breaking the rules and mixing and having parties

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#19 Posted : 21 May 2020 08:09:46(UTC)
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Indeed - and a good little video it was.

Seconded.

Pretty sure it also said some studies have shown that those with low vitamin d are more prone to getting respiratory infections. Seems reasonable to infer that you're at a greater risk of catching covid-19 too if you have low vitamin d levels, although I guess that's not the same as saying normal levels give you extra protection - more that having normal levels may be required to have a healthy and normally functioning immune system.

It was also suggested that vitamin d plays a role in helping to regulate the immune system making it less likely to go in to overdrive. Again if true it makes sense that this would mean those with very low levels are more likely to suffer the serious complications that can occur and potentially more likely to die as a result.

Anecdotally I suffer from low vitamin d levels, which I found out a few years back after I was persistently ill for about 3 months one winter and went to the docs assuming I'd picked up a virus and couldn't shake it off. After they did bloods the only thing noticeable was I had very low vitamin D. I've taken supplements ever since and haven't had the same levels of winter illness, although I am still prone to getting run down from time to time, which I take as a sign to up my dosage for a few weeks. The docs seem a little 'meh' about the whole thing, as I like to have a blood test done to check vit D levels so I can adjust the amount I'm taking and they generally make me feel like I'm being a pain and wasting their time. Given how infrequently I visit the docs seems a shame that what could be a preventative action is discouraged and they'd rather wait until I get ill to decide maybe something should be done.

 

 

 

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